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Avery Huff

Ethnicsands said:
It’s sad, but there are threads on this very site where proven knowledgable posters are saying he’s talented and should be prioritized.

It’s disaopointing to say this, but we do have to confront the possibility that the part time LB corch at UM just sucked at recruiting evals and was too lazy or arrogant to both to bother learn what knowledgable people on this site thought.
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The lucky/unlucky thing is that the two are not mutually exclusive.

Our evals can suck while our development also sucks.

We do get lucky occasionally. The Flagg eval seems to be a decent one.
 
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Was hoping GoGeta would have jumped in here by now..There was an in depth discussion about Huff on the recruiting board and he (knowing the kid personally) Had some good insight into why his development is taking so long..
 
Artist Formerly Known As said:
The lucky/unlucky thing is that the two are not mutually exclusive.

Our evals can suck while our development also sucks.

We do get lucky occasionally. The Flagg eval seems to be a decent one.
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It’s always been ‘both.’ Agreed.

flagg highlights one of the points, however. Which is that our ability to project kids at LB has been terrible. Flagg was an actual LB.unless we prove we know how to project athletes at that spot (and then develop them), probably makes sense to focus on recruiting kids who know how to play lb).
 
Jassid82 said:
Was hoping GoGeta would have jumped in here by now..There was an in depth discussion about Huff on the recruiting board and he (knowing the kid personally) Had some good insight into why his development is taking so long..
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he impressed me tonight playing in space....

I already knew he and Chatfield have the best get off the edge...he looked better playing in space tonight too.

At this point and us flopping around with Linebackers...i'd talk to our sta connects and ask them to play him at LB the rest of the year or more like they did tonight....and if he plays like this in the next 2 games..put him atop our lb board.
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- gogeta
 
Ethnicsands said:
It’s always been ‘both.’ Agreed.

flagg highlights one of the points, however. Which is that our ability to project kids at LB has been terrible. Flagg was an actual LB.unless we prove we know how to project athletes at that spot (and then develop them), probably makes sense to focus on recruiting kids who know how to play lb).
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Right.

If we’re going to project kids to LB, I’d prefer we move them down on defense rather than up. Frierson and Smith were two of our top 3-4 players at that level this year and I think there’s a reason for that.

I know DMoney has mentioned in threads that’s a lot of the top LBers coming out this year transitioned from other positions. As you said, we’re not good enough with the evals and development to do that. We need to follow the KISS rule.
 
Regardless of Huff being a bust-which he most certainly is up to now-there were no LBs aside from McCloud with any experience going into 2020.

McCloud was rendered obsolete when Manny removed the SLB position. He started one game at WLB in 2019. Jennings and Steed played a handful of snaps before suffering serious injuries missing over a year. Brooks started the bowl game in 2019 but had not played much before that. Huff was ineligible. Flagg and Cave just got here.

My point is that we should expect better LB play based on the assumption that age+reps+experience = improvement. There's also better competition than before with everyone returning and with Troutman, Davis entering the mix this spring.
 
DTP said:
We’d be in the same situation if we had taken Bonito instead of Huff. Unless we moved Bonito to DE. He was an edge/OLB in high school and plays the same position at Oklahoma.
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Yea, agreed. Bonnito was obviously a huge miss but he’s not a LB here either. He’s a 3-4 OLB.
 
DTP said:
We’d be in the same situation if we had taken Bonito instead of Huff. Unless we moved Bonito to DE. He was an edge/OLB in high school and plays the same position at Oklahoma.
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Exactly! This is the point. Hence my square peg, round hole analogy.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Exactly! This is the point. Hence my square peg, round hole analogy.
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I was very happy to see that Thomas Davis was recruited to play defensive end this year. He doesn't have the prototypical size but Roche showed that a 6'3" 240 ish guy can play DE pretty successfully here.
 
DTP said:
I was very happy to see that Thomas Davis was recruited to play defensive end this year. He doesn't have the prototypical size but Roche showed that a 6'3" 240 ish guy can play DE pretty successfully here.
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Yessir; agreed.
 
DTP said:
I was very happy to see that Thomas Davis was recruited to play defensive end this year. He doesn't have the prototypical size but Roche showed that a 6'3" 240 ish guy can play DE pretty successfully here.
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But they already knew that too. This staff inherited Trent Harris. Some of their evals just don't make sense.
 
Ethnicsands said:
you’ve fallen into a logic trap. 247 isn’t some professional eval service. it’s common sense, measurable a, hype and fan news and mostly a summary of which schools are most after a kid. the entire point of saying we’re bad at evals is summed up by what you wrote and you’re asking a backwards question. 247 is right sometimes less right others. We’re unusually good at picking the kids they’re overrating ... because we stink at evals.

OL and WR are good examples of this, too. Herbert and Hillary were obviously not great recruits, despite what some services said about Herbert. Reed already quit the team once. Most
of the guys you list have never played a game for us or just hit campus this year. The two kids on your list who merit discussion imo are Scaife and Donaldson. Culture at another program might have helped donaldson control his weight but he’s a type of kid that often enough doesn’t pan out (huge with weight issues). Scaife I really thought would be good. Maybe just a tweezer, not really a tackle or a Guard. Some services listed him as a center in HS and maybe they were right. Ley point however is nothing about your list says anything to me inconsistent with we’ve sucked at OL recruiting and evals for a long time.

WR i don’t even get your point. listing kids who haven’t played here yet or who were true frosh this past year doesn’t help the discussion. We blew evals in the Pope class for sure. Harley has panned out. I’ve been critical of our WR evals for a long time.
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The reason this becomes true later on is because our players don't do **** in the nfl. I used to think it was not developing talent but it's both. We mostly target kids high rated that big time schools don't fight for. The ones they fight for they mostly get......it's a bit of both but the nfl proves all. Richards bama fought for till the end and rightfully so.....I know people would bring up Gurvans Hall but bama never fought late like with Richards. They fought for Battle Jobe Surtain Cooper etc. Using them as an example cause they have the best evals imo.
 
Dwinstitles said:
They must of missed on the eval if he isn't seeing the field this upcoming season.
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Why do you say he isn't seeing the field? D$ is too much sunshine sometimes. But he's correct that Huff just hasn't had enough practices or reps until now. So we have no idea how good he can be.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
The reason this becomes true later on is because our players don't do **** in the nfl. I used to think it was not developing talent but it's both. We mostly target kids high rated that big time schools don't fight for. The ones they fight for they mostly get......it's a bit of both but the nfl proves all. Richards bama fought for till the end and rightfully so.....I know people would bring up Gurvans Hall but bama never fought late like with Richards. They fought for Battle Jobe Surtain Cooper etc. Using them as an example cause they have the best evals imo.
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`This is a theory of mine. We win more of the ones good programs prioritize less, and lose the ones they prioritize higher. That alone tells you why we have worse apparent evaluations. The truth is that unless you‘re actually good at evaluations, selection bias will work against you amd you’ll generate the results that cause rellyrel to pull out his hair.
 
DTP said:
I was very happy to see that Thomas Davis was recruited to play defensive end this year. He doesn't have the prototypical size but Roche showed that a 6'3" 240 ish guy can play DE pretty successfully here.
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It's odd to me that he's listed at LB by the school. Chase Smith is listed at striker, Curtis at CB. We don't really use LBs as edge rushers but if he's going to play the Viper role, why not list him as a DE? At any rate, it's good he's already here and maybe he can help us in 2021.
 
grover said:
Why do you say he isn't seeing the field? D$ is too much sunshine sometimes. But he's correct that Huff just hasn't had enough practices or reps until now. So we have no idea how good he can be.
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I don't trust the sunshine stuff....I love me some Dmoney he is way more knowledgeable about UM then me....but I have seen throughout the years that some people hold onto hope. I just think it's dead hope I been gave up on the staff day 1. Still rooting hard though. If he hasn't seen the field that's not good also we have a HC who's terrible with linebackers....let that sink in.
 
Ethnicsands said:
`This is a theory of mine. We win more of the ones good programs prioritize less, and lose the ones they prioritize higher. That alone tells you why we have worse apparent evaluations. The truth is that unless you‘re actually good at evaluations, selection bias will work against you amd you’ll generate the results that cause rellyrel to pull out his hair.
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I have gone through the years seeing exactly what u said. We get the prioritized less recruits......and if we discover someone first that's elite the SEC swoops in. We have horrible evaluations. That's why even if we got the five stars in JW and LT....my question is why didn't bama go hard after those two? I have these questions that pop up in my head automatically cause of the past 15 years. Franchise brought up he was concerned with LTs production his last season and it made me wonder that's all. UGA was hard after JW and UGA as far as I'm concerned ain't the best at evaluating as of late. Smarts trash.............i know if JW and LT don't perform they will blame the coaches but to me it's always about evaluation. Sean Taylor goes to any school and is a phenom same with Saquon Barkley Amari Cooper Dalvin Cook. Those guys ball anywhere period regardless of development.
 
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