At the end of the day….

[bobshrum]

u dont need a HCIW, just creates more problems

 

[Gatorhater]

I think the more time that goes by the more likely it is that they will talk themselves out of Butch. Butch is a **** pick but his obvious negatives will only become more decisive over time. If they are really talking to Kelly that could kill Butch just because it means they are going to be playing the waiting game. I think they pick Butch in the next 2 weeks or it will be someone else.

In a sense the Kelly talk worries me because while I think we couldn’t get a better coach and BJ would immediately go to Elvis status it’s a double edged sword. When you think you have a chance with a Victoria Secret model every other chick becomes less attractive and I really think Butch would be one of our best (top 3) options because of the buzz it would create. If we land her that would be FN awesome but can this Admin really go from Coker to Onion to Golden to one of the best coaches around? If it were me I would go all in for Kelly because of the investment opportunity that’s just sitting there waiting but you never know what fuels these guys. One thing is for sure if they are talking to him they better be ready to go all in because his agent using his demand to create a buzz and start a bidding war.

I also think that Mario being the HCIW will be up to whomever the HC will be, but whomever it will be will want him. It’s just too good of a deal to pass up. He has recruiting hooks into every major feeder program in the country and knows the Miami area as well as anyone and if anyone can keep Alabama out of your backyard cherry picking it will be him. Anyone who takes the Miami job over any other job is only going to do it because they want to take advantage of our recruiting base to be successful.

In no way is he a **** pick. He is merely a safe pick and the floor.

I agree that Butch is not the **** pick. That would be one of the high scoring O types everyone is in love with. They are the Victoria Secret models. Butch is more Paula Dean. Old and a little heavy but talks with that sweet Southern voice. Thing is that once Paul gets in the kitchen and start to cooking, the frigging results are going to be the best meal you have ever eaten full of butter and bacon high in calories and full a fat and sugar. When you send that hot **** model into the kitchen you are probably going be eat until you stave to death.

Hey, I am all in on the **** model thing. Many years ago I married one. Thirty something years later she still looks great but I have good about every frigging meal since. The question is what type of football team do we want -- kale or fried chicken, mashed potatoes and pecan pie. I can cook my own food but by God I cannot make Miami THE U again. Paula, I mean, Butch has the best chance of doing that.

This is a very interesting analogy....

Food, ***, football, and the money for each -- is there anything else outside of Religion worth talking about. Well maybe gambling.

 

[TheUuuuu]

We need a proven Head Coach. Mario's tenure at FIU was not successful. Yes he took them to a bowl and I believe they won it but he is not a proven commodity. I like Cristobal, he is U family but we cannot afford to make a bad fourth hire. All I hear about Cristobal is how the high school coaches love him and he is a great recruiter but if he was hired as head coach his recruiting role would be greatly reduced. We need a proven, successful head coach.

I don't want Mario as HC under any scenario, but I don't understand that hate here. I think he'd be very valuable on the staff.

ZERO Dade players at 'Bama, two Broward.

His best year at FIU was 8 wins against teams with a combined win percentage less than .300. 8 wins means **** when they come from ****ty competition.

Year SIX, the year where you see what condition a program is at, he went 3-9 and was justifiably fired.

DO.NOT.WANT.

Hopefully this firm we shelled out a lot of $ to will see it as well. If not, then I'm starting a firm of my own. ****, all you have to do is interview coaches and ultimately make a ****** decision.

 

[clg003]

Why is it the same people who want mario also love strong? Is there something that causes you to gravitate towards the worst ideas? Or is it their bagmen?

Your saying Saban loves Strong? Thats interesting.

I'm saying I have zero percent interest in Mario Cristobal ever being in a position to be HC, which he would be as HCIW under a 65 year old. In no way shape or form does that man even deserve to apprentice for the job.

Who is the last HCIW to actually get the HC job? Its more of a resume builder than anything else.

Jimbo

Your right, but his situation is likely why any Miami HCIW waiting doesn't get it built into their contract. While it helped them dump Bobby it also bond them to buy out Jimbo if they didn't go thru with it. I remember Bobby trying to get he funds to buy it out but luckily for FSU Jimbo worked out but they would have been F'd if he didn't. I cant imagine Miami would allow any assistant coach to have a million dollar buyout in their contract if they didn't get the gig. I guess it all depends on how that title is contracted.

 

[clg003]

I could live with a Butch/Mario combo. A good talent developer and finder with a good recruiter is a great combination to build this program back up pretty quickly.

I pray Mario isn't brought within 1000 miles of Miami. Watch next year how suddenly he won't recruit so well at whatever program he lands once he's gone from Alabama. Recruiting for Nick Saban matters.

This Mario hate is redick....

I get we dont want him as a HC but he is a good recruiter and there is no proof he is not. But so called Canes fans dissing him for asinine reasons makes our fan base look like total idiots.

In fact…..

The best coach in the country sought him out because of it… like anyone on this site knows recruiting better than Saban!
He has won awards for it… Saying it’s because of Alabama is one thing but regardless if you know how recruiting actually works he is building connections and relationships.
Tons of local high school coaches are saying they would like him here because of it. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
Tons of local high school d players reiterate that. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
This guy bleeds more orange and green than any of you wannabe football experts on this site think you do.

How many Miami-Dade players has he brought to Alabama? How many Broward County? Results speak louder than wishful thinking. He's not the lock-down, surefire recruiter his agent and supporters have made him out to be. He's a career position coach other than the one time he was a HC where he failed miserably. He sucks.

That's not the point. He went from being a Miami recruiter with Miami connects to being able to recruit anyone from any major program in the country. When he calls those coaches put everyone else on hold to talk to him. He still has his Miami connects, just listen to what the local coaches have to say. This belief that your hunches outweigh what the people that matter say and do is interesting at best.

 

[HurricaneU]

What has Mario done, other than promote himself to S. Fla high school corches, to earn the title of "Head Coach In Waiting"?

By the way, is there a more meaningless and fruitier title than HCIW? Sounds like a debutante preparing for their coming of age party. If Mario joins the new staff he should have the title "Maid of Honor".

 

[UMFarArcher]

I kind of agree, because I don't think the Board will be able to land Kelly.

I don't think most of them want to.

With a show cause, Kelly may as well announce he has blown an O-ring, has a seeping ****, the clap, ebola, the pox, a cottage cheese fetish, and prefers pre-teen girls.

Broken record. His minor expired show cause is a non factor. The NCAA admitted he knew nothing about the violation and had no active part in it.

You say it's a non-factor.

I say it is.

We'll see soon enough - although it won't be listed in UM's decision.

The way you'll know - Kelly won't be the coach at UM.

Also don't forget I have the actual experts on my side. Your just going off of a proven biased hunch. Go read how big of a factor people who get paid for their opinions think his show cause will have on his next job now that its expired.

Also do you think the NCAA issues at UNC would have any factor on Butch's job? The NCAA said the same thing to Butch as they did Chip and that's neither one of them had any knowledge of what was going on. To back that up Butch has players on record saying he did know and Butch got fired because of it by the people who know more than the NCAA did and Butch (this god like coach) is still unemployed.

Also why do you think that the person doing the interview will care whether the NCAA actually issues anything in one case and not in the other? Since its expired its completely indifferent. Also Miami knows more than anyone else that the NCAA is a joke, not honest and has ulterior motives. Chip was an easy advertisement that would have zero impact. It was even said so at the time it happened. Miami distrusts the NCAA more than any school because they experienced it. To think that they some how trust the NCAA over all else is just not sound reasoning. Miami will do its own investigation and in the Butch case there is lot more things to be worried about then in Chip's. UNC's issues about shut the program down and in Oregon's they didn't even get a bowl ban.

I am interested how you don't think that your biased mind is making you see only what you want to see here. The facts in this argument are obvious. Are you just completely denying that human minds rely on bias to see truths no matter how false they are? Are you denying that your biased?

I have no idea what you got a weed up urass over.

There is a show cause. Expired or not - he's tainted.

Doesn't have anything to do with Butch - HE doesn't have a show cause.

UM won't touch a coach with a show cause. I don't care if he's the second coming of Moses.

 

[MarshallCane]

People always claim they dont want Cristobal near Miami as an O-Line or TE coach but my question is "Why the F not"? If we get a great coach and a great recruiter under him that has relationships with everybody in Fla, thats a win win in my opinion. Whether people want to admit it, recruiting is major. Bama aint dominant solely because Saban and Kiffins coaching abilities...they have a roster full of four and five star recruits. Before anybody twist my words, im not saying that Cristobal is reason for all those recruits. Bama recruits itself but Miami does too...Cristobal would just take it to another level and keep those 5 star recruits that we lose to FSU, Bama and Fla every year. Cristobal shouldnt be considered as HC or Coord but whomever is hired at head coach would be wise to bring him on as a position coach....IJS.

Why the **** not? Bama has an O-line littered w/ 5 stars and they have given up more sacks than us this year. Wario ain't coaching worth a **** right now.

And they have a downhill runner that depends heavily on that o-line in consideration for the Heisman..

IMO if you put Derrick Henry in our backfield he would get the same production he does at Alabama.

I respect your opinion....IMO Henry could have similar production only on pure talent and would require way more carries. Because our o-line is not on the same level...

thats what bothers me.. Our O-line isnt on the same level and they are already getting kaaya killed.. I just dont think he's a good coach. I wouldnt mind him recruiting though... but his coaching is suspect.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

I could live with a Butch/Mario combo. A good talent developer and finder with a good recruiter is a great combination to build this program back up pretty quickly.

I pray Mario isn't brought within 1000 miles of Miami. Watch next year how suddenly he won't recruit so well at whatever program he lands once he's gone from Alabama. Recruiting for Nick Saban matters.

This Mario hate is redick....

I get we dont want him as a HC but he is a good recruiter and there is no proof he is not. But so called Canes fans dissing him for asinine reasons makes our fan base look like total idiots.

In fact…..

The best coach in the country sought him out because of it… like anyone on this site knows recruiting better than Saban!
He has won awards for it… Saying it’s because of Alabama is one thing but regardless if you know how recruiting actually works he is building connections and relationships.
Tons of local high school coaches are saying they would like him here because of it. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
Tons of local high school d players reiterate that. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
This guy bleeds more orange and green than any of you wannabe football experts on this site think you do.

How many Miami-Dade players has he brought to Alabama? How many Broward County? Results speak louder than wishful thinking. He's not the lock-down, surefire recruiter his agent and supporters have made him out to be. He's a career position coach other than the one time he was a HC where he failed miserably. He sucks.

That's not the point. He went from being a Miami recruiter with Miami connects to being able to recruit anyone from any major program in the country. When he calls those coaches put everyone else on hold to talk to him. He still has his Miami connects, just listen to what the local coaches have to say. This belief that your hunches outweigh what the people that matter say and do is interesting at best.

Look up how many "recruiter of the year" Bama has had since Saban has been there (hint, a **** load). ****, they had the #1 recruiting class four or five years in a row prior to Cristobal coming on board. And you think Bama's recruiting success over the past two is attributable to Cristobal? FOH. They take his call because of the "A" on his jacket, not because of who he is. How many DadeCo players has he pulled the last two recruiting cycles? ENOUGH SAID.

 

[User-4525]

I could live with a Butch/Mario combo. A good talent developer and finder with a good recruiter is a great combination to build this program back up pretty quickly.

I pray Mario isn't brought within 1000 miles of Miami. Watch next year how suddenly he won't recruit so well at whatever program he lands once he's gone from Alabama. Recruiting for Nick Saban matters.

This Mario hate is redick....

I get we dont want him as a HC but he is a good recruiter and there is no proof he is not. But so called Canes fans dissing him for asinine reasons makes our fan base look like total idiots.

In fact…..

The best coach in the country sought him out because of it… like anyone on this site knows recruiting better than Saban!
He has won awards for it… Saying it’s because of Alabama is one thing but regardless if you know how recruiting actually works he is building connections and relationships.
Tons of local high school coaches are saying they would like him here because of it. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
Tons of local high school d players reiterate that. Like our fans have no clue how recruiting actually works.
This guy bleeds more orange and green than any of you wannabe football experts on this site think you do.

The best coach in the country is using him because he can.. nothing more, nothing less. I guarantee he would much rather have Barrow on his staff. IF Mario leaves he will prob swoop up Coley to replace him. Rinse repeat.

he could've hired barrow to be his linebacker coach this offseason and chose not to

 

[Cane Dynasty]

At the end of the day....Butch Davis kiddos.

 

[The Franchise]

Agree that Butch would be the safe pick after they fail to land a big fish. UM has done nothing in the past 20 years to indicate to anyone they'll be able to pull off a big power move.

The whole HCIW concept is ridiculous though. If Mario gets fired for being a failure as OL coach at Bama then I could see the next HC at UM bringing him in for a few weeks until he gets an offer for $38 more per week. UM is all about the dumpster dive so I could see them picking up a fired Mario and letting him turn our OL into a bigger joke.

 

[clg003]

I don't think most of them want to.

With a show cause, Kelly may as well announce he has blown an O-ring, has a seeping ****, the clap, ebola, the pox, a cottage cheese fetish, and prefers pre-teen girls.

Broken record. His minor expired show cause is a non factor. The NCAA admitted he knew nothing about the violation and had no active part in it.

You say it's a non-factor.

I say it is.

We'll see soon enough - although it won't be listed in UM's decision.

The way you'll know - Kelly won't be the coach at UM.

Also don't forget I have the actual experts on my side. Your just going off of a proven biased hunch. Go read how big of a factor people who get paid for their opinions think his show cause will have on his next job now that its expired.

Also do you think the NCAA issues at UNC would have any factor on Butch's job? The NCAA said the same thing to Butch as they did Chip and that's neither one of them had any knowledge of what was going on. To back that up Butch has players on record saying he did know and Butch got fired because of it by the people who know more than the NCAA did and Butch (this god like coach) is still unemployed.

Also why do you think that the person doing the interview will care whether the NCAA actually issues anything in one case and not in the other? Since its expired its completely indifferent. Also Miami knows more than anyone else that the NCAA is a joke, not honest and has ulterior motives. Chip was an easy advertisement that would have zero impact. It was even said so at the time it happened. Miami distrusts the NCAA more than any school because they experienced it. To think that they some how trust the NCAA over all else is just not sound reasoning. Miami will do its own investigation and in the Butch case there is lot more things to be worried about then in Chip's. UNC's issues about shut the program down and in Oregon's they didn't even get a bowl ban.

I am interested how you don't think that your biased mind is making you see only what you want to see here. The facts in this argument are obvious. Are you just completely denying that human minds rely on bias to see truths no matter how false they are? Are you denying that your biased?

I have no idea what you got a weed up urass over.

There is a show cause. Expired or not - he's tainted.

Doesn't have anything to do with Butch - HE doesn't have a show cause.

UM won't touch a coach with a show cause. I don't care if he's the second coming of Moses.

Your absolutely wrong on this one and I am now convinced you don't even know what Chip's show cause was for or what the NCAA did. What Butch has attached to his name is much worse than what Chip does.

You flat out deny why Butch is unemployed right now because its hurts your biased mind to actually give into the truth. It would rather call names and ignore the facts than admit its wrong. If Chip announces he was coming back to college he would not be unemployed for any length of time at all.

Those are the facts no matter how hard you try and spin it.

Just deal with it brother and move on.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Rumor has it SC will offer Herman $5,000,000.

And we're getting Chip. With a show cause.

Whatever.

 

[3FW]

Show cause is over.

 

[FullyERicht]

Rumor has it SC will offer Herman $5,000,000.

And we're getting Chip. With a show cause.

Whatever.

"Guys Tebow is better than Peyton"

"Guys Butch is better than Chip"

Equally as disturbing and retarded.

 

[deleted3746]

Show cause is over.

In Archer's world, everyone has a show cause except for Corch Butch.

 

[orange&green84]

Show cause is over.

In Archer's world, everyone has a show cause except for Corch Butch.

He's quickly becoming one of the more intolerable posters on this forum. That's saying quite a bit.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm going to issue a CIS show cause to Arch.

 

[daddacane]

Some breaking news....Chip Kelly has a job....