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AQM Suspended for the 2014 season

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Let's get a few things clear

The Student Conduct Committee will only a hear a case when either a victim or the police go to Student Affairs and alerts the department to a wrongdoing. Most of the examples being listed are not cases where the Student Conduct Committee has had to hear a case.

Once the Student Conduct Committee launches an investigation, they can choose to issue a temporary suspension (in which you cannot enroll into classes). They often do not do this because the student may end up being cleared. The committee will have a hearing in which either ONE person makes a decision or a committee hears the case. The defendant has the option to choose either type of hearing.

This is not high school where you can get suspended for 2 weeks and it does not run like the athletic department where they can suspend you for a certain amount of games. The sentences are by semester, understandably because you would not be able to attend all your classes in one semester.

The decision is not based on the legal system's protocol where you only have to establish reasonable doubt. If the case against you is more than likely to be true, you will be found guilty and sentenced. Sentences are either probation or suspension for a semester or year.
 
Students 2 > Football Players 0......I Know Eddie Johnson was on his third strike, but bro whats up with the students starting fights with the football players??
 
plantcity3 said:
Yet, all of the players involved received a one game suspension, while the Sigmas fraternity were not recognized for 2 years. This means either Golden has no influence, or the administration is full of people who are absolute jackasses. Probably both.
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In this case, the Sigmas were punished by the Office of Fraternity Affairs and their own national organization. The players were punished by the Athletic Department. Neither case went to the Office of Student Affairs. Apples and Oranges
 
3FW said:
Tad Footeball said:
The only thing that caused this to escalate to this point wasn't the severity of the fight (no charges fiłed), wasn't Alfred's doing (he was only sitting the kid to protect eligibility), wasn't the school trying to treat all student's equally and adhere to the code of conduct (roommate fights happen weekly in university housing and most end without any real punishment at all) but due to the mere fact that this kid lawyered up. Him and his family are the only people to blame here. He didn't chose to pursue criminal charges at the time so either there wasn't a criminal act committed and AQM shouldn't be punished or the kid regrets not doing so and is now back for revenge with a lawyer. There's no way there's an actual gray area whereas you can beat someone so severely that you deserve this lengthy a suspension from school but not severely enough to even be prosecuted for simple assault. This is just a case of the school running scared from a kid with a lawyer.
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works both ways. I hope AQM has a good Lawyer. LU, help the kid out.
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That was my initial thought too but then you kinda run into the shaky ground of not really defending yourself from the former roommate's allegations/lawyer but actually suing the school for improper punishment. I'm sure at this point he's being advised by the football staff that he kinda got a raw deal and they love him but to just accept it and come back a better person and having learned something blah blah blah.

And not matter how much y'all want Al to march into Donna's office and fight stuff like this it does come back to "the cloud" as an actual justifiable excuse (for once) in situations like these. If you don't think the school is going to be extra vigilant and always side in the overpunishment column for at least the next few years then you're sadly mistaken- no matter what coach we have.
 
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db305 said:
plantcity3 said:
1. AQM can blame nobody but himself. He has to be smarter.

2. I personally witnessed the brawl at FSU between some Sigmas, and some WRs. That brawl included
-The players starting the brawl by jumping a Sigma
-at least 10 people
-a girl with a broke nose after being hit by a chair
-a girl punched in the face after trying to break it up
-players throwing Sigmas down stairs
-two players arrested for
misdemeanor assault......Yet, all of the players involved received a one game suspension, while the Sigmas fraternity was not recognized for 2 years. This means either Golden has no influence, or the administration is full of people who are absolute jackasses. Probably both
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pat whitely (vp who handled this case) is one of the worst administrators that i've ever been around in my life, as a student and as someone that works in higher ed. when i was a student, she sent me a cease-and-desist letter when i was trying to raise money for the va tech victims fund after the massacre because it was undermining the university's measly $10,000 donation. **** pat whitely.
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Lol this would never happen

You would only get issued a cease and desist letter if you were using the University's name or brand without permission.
 
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showtime said:
Let's get a few things clear

The Student Conduct Committee will only a hear a case when either a victim or the police go to Student Affairs and alerts the department to a wrongdoing. Most of the examples being listed are not cases where the Student Conduct Committee has had to hear a case.

Once the Student Conduct Committee launches an investigation, they can choose to issue a temporary suspension (in which you cannot enroll into classes). They often do not do this because the student may end up being cleared. The committee will have a hearing in which either ONE person makes a decision or a committee hears the case. The defendant has the option to choose either type of hearing.

This is not high school where you can get suspended for 2 weeks and it does not run like the athletic department where they can suspend you for a certain amount of games. The sentences are by semester, understandably because you would not be able to attend all your classes in one semester.

The decision is not based on the legal system's protocol where you only have to establish reasonable doubt. If the case against you is more than likely to be true, you will be found guilty and sentenced. Sentences are either probation or suspension for a semester or year.
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As a former member of the Honor Council, Student Government Court, etc. at the University of Miami, I hear what you are saying, and my retort is that this is still weak *** **** on the part of the administration, the student board or whatever/whoever the **** handled this case.
 
If this was a 50/50 fight with no clear determinant as to who was the aggressor, no criminal charges filed to either party AND the other student was allowed to graduate without any penalty as is being reported then this is SHAMEFUL that the University would punish aqm in such a disparate manner b/c someone "lawyered up".

http://www.miami.edu/index.php/univ...ration_officers/patricia_a_whitely_biography/
Office: Division of Student Affairs
Telephone: 305-284-4922
Address: 244 Ashe Building, Coral Gables Campus, 33124-4602
Fax: 305-284-3749
Email: pwhitely@miami.edu
 
"Thank God we got rid of that violent black Muslim. Who knows who he'd target next!"

- Student Affairs
 
I think what we're seeing is a case of a University playing things EXTRA safe. I have to imagine this kind of stuff goes on at a LOT of other places, but it just gets glossed over the way it always has been. Unfortunately for Miami they are now extra sensitive and feel like they gotta report everything. Is the administration over-reacting? Are they scared ****less of getting dinged again?

I forgot...are they on some sort of probation as part of the old "cloud"?
 
I got this off the Rivals MB.....

AQM was rooming with a walk-on that supposedly is no longer on the team. AQM brought through his fam, wife and kid, and the roommate objected and got confrontational. In the midst of that he knocked over AQM's kid, and then AQM did what any father would....

If this is true, Im embarrassed for the University of Miami........
 
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cowboycane said:
showtime said:
Let's get a few things clear

The Student Conduct Committee will only a hear a case when either a victim or the police go to Student Affairs and alerts the department to a wrongdoing. Most of the examples being listed are not cases where the Student Conduct Committee has had to hear a case.

Once the Student Conduct Committee launches an investigation, they can choose to issue a temporary suspension (in which you cannot enroll into classes). They often do not do this because the student may end up being cleared. The committee will have a hearing in which either ONE person makes a decision or a committee hears the case. The defendant has the option to choose either type of hearing.

This is not high school where you can get suspended for 2 weeks and it does not run like the athletic department where they can suspend you for a certain amount of games. The sentences are by semester, understandably because you would not be able to attend all your classes in one semester.

The decision is not based on the legal system's protocol where you only have to establish reasonable doubt. If the case against you is more than likely to be true, you will be found guilty and sentenced. Sentences are either probation or suspension for a semester or year.
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As a former member of the Honor Council, Student Government Court, etc. at the University of Miami, I hear what you are saying, and my retort is that this is still weak *** **** on the part of the administration, the student board or whatever/whoever the **** handled this case.
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This is where I agree. It was certainly harsh, but Student Affairs does not play. I've seen year long suspensions for less.
 
showtime said:
db305 said:
plantcity3 said:
1. AQM can blame nobody but himself. He has to be smarter.

2. I personally witnessed the brawl at FSU between some Sigmas, and some WRs. That brawl included
-The players starting the brawl by jumping a Sigma
-at least 10 people
-a girl with a broke nose after being hit by a chair
-a girl punched in the face after trying to break it up
-players throwing Sigmas down stairs
-two players arrested for
misdemeanor assault......Yet, all of the players involved received a one game suspension, while the Sigmas fraternity was not recognized for 2 years. This means either Golden has no influence, or the administration is full of people who are absolute jackasses. Probably both
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pat whitely (vp who handled this case) is one of the worst administrators that i've ever been around in my life, as a student and as someone that works in higher ed. when i was a student, she sent me a cease-and-desist letter when i was trying to raise money for the va tech victims fund after the massacre because it was undermining the university's measly $10,000 donation. **** pat whitely.
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Lol this would never happen

You would only get issued a cease and desist letter if you were using the University's name or brand without permission.
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except for the time that it did. the plan was to make shirts and have the proceeds donated to vt and it was all handled through a facebook group. i got paul dee to approve the use of the u, which was still expressly under the athletic department's control back then. va tech's people asked me to get a student org to sponsor me so they could release their logo for use. then pat whitely sent me a wonderful email that told me to stop. i had to go through dean singleton to reach a compromise where the shirts with my design would help pay for the candlelight vigil.

if you were there in the spring of 2007, you may recognize this. 500 were printed, sold at $10 a piece, and they sold out within 2 hours. the proceeds of that were 1/4 of the university's total contribution.
vtu.webp
 
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bobbydigius said:
Tad Footeball said:
The only thing that caused this to escalate to this point wasn't the severity of the fight (no charges fiłed), wasn't Alfred's doing (he was only sitting the kid to protect eligibility), wasn't the school trying to treat all student's equally and adhere to the code of conduct (roommate fights happen weekly in university housing and most end without any real punishment at all) but due to the mere fact that this kid lawyered up. Him and his family are the only people to blame here. He didn't chose to pursue criminal charges at the time so either there wasn't a criminal act committed and AQM shouldn't be punished or the kid regrets not doing so and is now back for revenge with a lawyer. There's no way there's an actual gray area whereas you can beat someone so severely that you deserve this lengthy a suspension from school but not severely enough to even be prosecuted for simple assault. This is just a case of the school running scared from a kid with a lawyer.
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That is the real ****ed part though......
This kid somehow was the roommate of a blue chip recruit from OOS, and went out of his way to get AQM thrown off the team for the year. People saying this would never happen at Bama, well yeah a kid going to Bama would never hurt his school's football team because he got his *** beat, which brings me to the point. How were these guys roommates? It reeks of **** made behavior.
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I'm the biggest $EC hater there is but if this happened to Bama or a ton of other schools the roommates name and entire life history would be all over the boards like these and his family would already by fleeing the entire south. I'm not saying that stuff is right buttttt here we are....arguing over flying banners. Noboby has any fear of any repercussions-even socially-about ****ting on the program.
 
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