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AP ACC Breakout Players to Look Out For in 2018 - QB Malik Rosier

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3GC said:
Actually Chris Leakey was the starting QB, not Tebow.
Crap, i hate talking about the Gators & NatChamships in the same sentence..
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He won two, but started for one. The point was that he had success despite being able to throw a football 5 yards at a time.
 
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Ppl be over hyping Kaayas accuracy on here so much like they weren’t alive watching him come up short 99% of his cfb career??

This is how the average offensive drive with Kaaya went:

Example 1:

1st down run for 3 yards.
2nd down pass for 4 yards complete.
3rd down pass for 1 yard complete going out of bounds
4th down punt

Example 2:

1st down run for 5 yards
2nd down pass for 15 yards incomplete
3rd down pass for 2 yards complete going out of bounds.
4th down punt

// rinse repeat


* look at that a meaningless accurate passer.
 
kryptonite said:
Well that was confusing. Totally agree that he "broke out" last year so has no place on this list. But how are you confused about what he might do better in his senior year? Is JR year somehow the pinnacle of what any college football player can achieve?

I'm not holding my breath, but it's pretty easy to see the potential for him to improve his accuracy and his decision making.
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QB accuracy is like a singing voice. It can be fine tuned, but basically, you've either got it or you don't.

Malik is not an accurate passer, & it is what it is. Nothing he can be taught at this stage (he's older than some NFL QBs) will change that.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Ken Dorsey was a career 58% passer and 56% when we last won a championship in 2001, the same year he sat in New York and watched Eric Crouch, with his 1200 yards passing, win the Heisman.
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Different game in 2001, compared to today. Garbage QBs routinely complete 58% of their passes today, due to the liberalization of rules in regards to PI. Combined with the proliferation of high percentage, tempo based pass offenses, it's a lot easier to hit 60+ compared to a decade ago. Look at Dorsey's numbers, and then watch film. There weren't nearly as many high percentage passes as what you'd see today. A guy like Dorsey would easily eclipse 60% today. He came close in the last era in which you could actually press receivers.
 
Loose Cannon said:
In 10 months Rosier went from backup 3rd baseman material to the all time Touchdown leader by a Miami QB, through 6 games he was on the Maxell watch list, and he was the starting QB for the Miami Hurricanes in an Orange Bowl since when? Man I’d give my left nut to be Malik Rosier last season.
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Dude, you don't want to be that guy. He probably can't get any sleep because he's constantly got to bang hotties. Sleep is super important.
SinCityCane said:
QB accuracy is like a singing voice. It can be fine tuned, but basically, you've either got it or you don't.

Malik is not an accurate passer, & it is what it is. Nothing he can be taught at this stage (he's older than some NFL QBs) will change that.
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I'm trying to formulate an argument here, but I just can't. I hope rosier will be better this year, but I'm pretty sure you're right.
 
KrazyCane said:
Malik Rosier has shown that he has what it takes to win big games. Before last year he wasn’t even taking it seriously, so he definitely has potential to be even better than he was last season. Especially knowing the young guys will be called to replace him if he doesn’t continue to improve.
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19-44 against a FSU team that barely reached bowl eligibility. Miami won 10 games IN SPITE of Rosier, and his inability to hit passes on a regular basis. The fact that most of Miami's games were close last year was a scathing indictment of how inept Rosier was. Think about the following: The Miami D gave Rosier additional possessions, yet Miami rarely distanced themselves from crappy teams. Compare his numbers against FSU to Kaaya's, it's almost night and day. Basically Rosier gets credit for beating a crippled FSU(Which was a game that shouldn't have been close to begin with), while Kaaya gets slammed for not beating significantly better Seminole teams. Never mind the fact that Kaaya led late TD drives in multiple FSU games, which in theory should have either won the contest, or gotten his team to OT.
 
Canedude08 said:
19-44 against a FSU team that barely reached bowl eligibility. Miami won 10 games IN SPITE of Rosier, and his inability to hit passes on a regular basis. The fact that most of Miami's games were close last year was a scathing indictment of how inept Rosier was. Think about the following: The Miami D gave Rosier additional possessions, yet Miami rarely distanced themselves from crappy teams. Compare his numbers against FSU to Kaaya's, it's almost night and day. Basically Rosier gets credit for beating a crippled FSU(Which was a game that shouldn't have been close to begin with), while Kaaya gets slammed for not beating significantly better Seminole teams. Never mind the fact that Kaaya led late TD drives in multiple FSU games, which in theory should have either won the contest, or gotten his team to OT.
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What "Kaaya led late TD drives" are you referencing friend? You can only be referring to the 2016 game, when Berrios returned it to the 16 and Kaaya threw one pass.

Rosier was the one who led two 75 yard "late TD drives" last year, after the defense gave up another late TD to FSU. It's nice to not have to blame the defense again for losing to FSU.
 
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Pickle Richt said:
What "Kaaya led late TD drives" are you referencing friend? You can only be referring to the 2016 game, when Berrios returned it to the 16 and Kaaya threw one pass.

Rosier was the one who led two 75 yard "late TD drives" last year, after the defense gave up another late TD to FSU. It's nice to not have to blame the defense again for losing to FSU.
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I guess you don't remember the drive he put together in 2015, culmulating in the Coley catch in the corner of the end zone. That put Miami ahead, and one defensive stop most likely would have won the game. No QB can do anything by themselves, people forget that the QBs we love to tout as clutch in regards to beating FSU had to rely on missed FGs to win games. What happens if the Wide Rights never happened? Are Ken Dorsey, Torretta and others not clutch? It's irrational to view it in such a limited way.

The fact that we give Rosier credit for needing a last second heave to beat the worst FSU team in the last decade is pretty pathetic. I guess Kirby Freeman was clutch too, he pulled a win over FSU out of his *** too. If Rosier was playing any other FSU team, any competent team whatsoever that day, he would have gotten rolled. Again, he needed a last second heave to beat an FSU team that needed a win over a FCS school just to reach bowl eligibility, and there are doubts that they were bowl eligible anyway.
 
Canedude08 said:
I guess you don't remember the drive he put together in 2015, culmulating in the Coley catch in the corner of the end zone. That put Miami ahead, and one defensive stop most likely would have won the game. No QB can do anything by themselves, people forget that the QBs we love to tout as clutch in regards to beating FSU had to rely on missed FGs to win games. What happens if the Wide Rights never happened? Are Ken Dorsey, Torretta and others not clutch? It's irrational to view it in such a limited way.

The fact that we give Rosier credit for needing a last second heave to beat the worst FSU team in the last decade is pretty pathetic. I guess Kirby Freeman was clutch too, he pulled a win over FSU out of his *** too. If Rosier was playing any other FSU team, any competent team whatsoever that day, he would have gotten rolled. Again, he needed a last second heave to beat an FSU team that needed a win over a FCS school just to reach bowl eligibility, and there are doubts that they were bowl eligible anyway.
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He threw a TD pass to Coley with 10 minutes left in the game, I wouldn't call that a late game drive.

Rosier didn't "need" a last second drive, the defense gave up a late TD. He went back and won the game. You can look back in retrospect at the FSU team that gave up on their QB and their coach after that loss and say it was a terrible team if you'd like. Their top 20 defense wasn't their problem.

It's amazing that you're crediting Kaaya for a "late drive" that was with 10 minutes left but crapping on Rosier's 2 game winning drives in the last 5 minutes.
 
Pickle Richt said:
He threw a TD pass to Coley with 10 minutes left in the game, I wouldn't call that a late game drive.

Rosier didn't "need" a last second drive, the defense gave up a late TD. He went back and won the game. You can look back in retrospect at the FSU team that gave up on their QB and their coach after that loss and say it was a terrible team if you'd like. Their top 20 defense wasn't their problem.

It's amazing that you're crediting Kaaya for a "late drive" that was with 10 minutes left but crapping on Rosier's 2 game winning drives in the last 5 minutes.
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The fact that he wasn't wearing a ball cap on the sidelines watching as the backup got reps in a blowout was an indictment of how utterly pathetic he was all day long. His offense didn't score a SINGLE POINT in the first half. He was dreadful for 95% of the game, against a team that was flat out bad. Let's cut the "We broke their spirits" bull, that team was wounded coming in, anyone that watched the Wake game knew how mediocre that team was.
 
Canedude08 said:
The fact that he wasn't wearing a ball cap on the sidelines watching as the backup got reps in a blowout was an indictment of how utterly pathetic he was all day long. His offense didn't score a SINGLE POINT in the first half. He was dreadful for 95% of the game, against a team that was flat out bad. Let's cut the "We broke their spirits" bull, that team was wounded coming in, anyone that watched the Wake game knew how mediocre that team was.
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It's so weird that NC State and Clemson didn't blow them out either. And so weird they had a top 20 defense. Just garbage, Kaaya would've won a meaningful game for once if he would've stayed. Obviously had better places to be.
 
252cane said:
Disagree. Tebow was at least completing passes and he wasn't turning the ball over. Rosier was bad at both.
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He had a system that worked for him where he wasn't asked to throw the ball more than 5 yards. Look at how drastically different his NFL numbers were in a (forcibly) different scheme. In college you can get away with it in the right system and supporting cast.
 
The decision facing Richt is nearly identical to the decision Lincoln Riley faced when he took over at Oklahoma. Trevor Knight twice "led" the Sooners to an 11-2 record. Even had a victory over #3 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. His completion percentage was actually slightly better than Rosier's. So he was the established starter when Riley arrived. Knight was athletic but terribly inaccurate, yet the team still managed to get wins. Riley had to choose between an inaccurate established starter (again with a better completion percentage than Rosier) or a two time walk on transfer (walk on at TTU, then walk on at OU) by the name of Baker Mayfield, who was far more accurate in practice.

Riley went with the walk on transfer because accuracy matters more than anything. You know how the story ends.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
The decision facing Richt is nearly identical to the decision Lincoln Riley faced when he took over at Oklahoma. Trevor Knight twice "led" the Sooners to an 11-2 record. Even had a victory over #3 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. His completion percentage was actually slightly better than Rosier's. So he was the established starter when Riley arrived. Knight was athletic but terribly inaccurate, yet the team still managed to get wins. Riley had to choose between an inaccurate established starter (again with a better completion percentage than Rosier) or a two time walk on transfer (walk on at TTU, then walk on at OU) by the name of Baker Mayfield, who was far more accurate in practice.

Riley went with the walk on transfer because accuracy matters more than anything. You know how the story ends.
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Huh?

First of all Knight was coming off an 8-5 season with Oklahoma in which he significantly regressed. Blake Bell started most of the games of the previous 11 win season, but yes the one shining moment for Knight was the Alabama win. So he never led them to an 11 win season once and was coming off a pretty crappy year the only year he was the full-time starter.

Secondly, Mayfield was in his 3rd year after high school, and had previous experience starting at Texas Tech. Neither guy we have has that, and Knight wasn't coming off the program's best year in over a decade. If anyone would take over for Malik right now it would be Perry, and by all accounts he still has to work on his accuracy. If you want to say Williams should be starting, then you're even further away from the analogy you just presented, because he has zero experience. Mayfield was also in his second year at Oklahoma, so Stoops knew what he had to offer. Just because it was Riley's first year as OC doesn't mean it was his call.

Thirdly, I think you would get substantial odds from anybody wanting to make a deal that either Williams or Perry will end up being both the Heisman Trophy winner and #1 overall NFL draft pick. Mayfield is special, it's obvious.

These two situations are anything but identical, they're about polar opposites.
 
Pickle Richt said:
Huh?

First of all Knight was coming off an 8-5 season with Oklahoma in which he significantly regressed. Blake Bell started most of the games of the previous 11 win season, but yes the one shining moment for Knight was the Alabama win. So he never led them to an 11 win season once and was coming off a pretty crappy year the only year he was the full-time starter.

Secondly, Mayfield was in his 3rd year after high school, and had previous experience starting at Texas Tech. Neither guy we have has that, and Knight wasn't coming off the program's best year in over a decade. If anyone would take over for Malik right now it would be Perry, and by all accounts he still has to work on his accuracy. If you want to say Williams should be starting, then you're even further away from the analogy you just presented, because he has zero experience. Mayfield was also in his second year at Oklahoma, so Stoops knew what he had to offer. Just because it was Riley's first year as OC doesn't mean it was his call.

Thirdly, I think you would get substantial odds from anybody wanting to make a deal that either Williams or Perry will end up being both the Heisman Trophy winner and #1 overall NFL draft pick. Mayfield is special, it's obvious.

These two situations are anything but identical, they're about polar opposites.
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2013- 8 games qb in Sugar Bowl
2014- 10 games
2015- 6 games

You can spin it how you want, but Knight was named the starter as a RS Freshman in 2013. After the Sugar Bowl victory he was projected to have a "breakout season" in 2014 and lead Oklahoma to the title in 2014. What happened? He regressed and went 8-5.

Yes, Trevor Knight is for real



The data has been crunched and analyzed by many- accuracy is the best predictor of success. Knight was ballsy, made clutch throws, but was maddeningly inaccurate (yet was still more accurate than Rosier). Remind you of anyone?

The data leads me to believe that Rosier will probably have a 8-4 or 7-5 year next year. It's insane that people look at the final record and say "oh wow" while ignoring we almost lost to a 1 win UNC team and Langham made two miracle catches to keep us from 8-5 (and even Richt admitted the throws were directly to a covered wide WR, Langham bailed Rosier out both times). You think I have something against the kid. I don't. I defended him when fans were throwing him under the bus after a 3 game slide. He deserves praise for stepping up, it's not his fault no other qb was ready. But the stats don't lie and his inaccuracy means Miami is going to have a tough time winning games next year. I don't think accuracy can really be coached much. It is what it is. Perry wasn't ready as a true freshman, which is understandable. But there is no excuse for him not to be ready in 2018. If he isn't capable of beating Rosier out in camp, either he hasn't put in the work in the off-season or Richt missed massively in qb recruiting.
 
TimeB0mb said:
2013- 8 games qb in Sugar Bowl
2014- 10 games
2015- 6 games

You can spin it how you want, but Knight was named the starter as a RS Freshman in 2013. After the Sugar Bowl victory he was projected to have a "breakout season" in 2014 and lead Oklahoma to the title in 2014. What happened? He regressed and went 8-5.

Yes, Trevor Knight is for real



The data has been crunched and analyzed by many- accuracy is the best predictor of success. Knight was ballsy, made clutch throws, but was maddeningly inaccurate (yet was still more accurate than Rosier). Remind you of anyone?

The data leads me to believe that Rosier will probably have a 8-4 or 7-5 year next year. It's insane that people look at the final record and say "oh wow" while ignoring we almost lost to a 1 win UNC team and Langham made two miracle catches to keep us from 8-5 (and even Richt admitted the throws were directly to a covered wide WR, Langham bailed Rosier out both times). You think I have something against the kid. I don't. I defended him when fans were throwing him under the bus after a 3 game slide. He deserves praise for stepping up, it's not his fault no other qb was ready. But the stats don't lie and his inaccuracy means Miami is going to have a tough time winning games next year. I don't think accuracy can really be coached much. It is what it is. Perry wasn't ready as a true freshman, which is understandable. But there is no excuse for him not to be ready in 2018. If he isn't capable of beating Rosier out in camp, either he hasn't put in the work in the off-season or Richt missed massively in qb recruiting.
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Why are you being retarded about this? Knight was named the starter in 2013 and was yanked after starting two games due to his poor play. Bell took over, he got injured near the end of the season and Knight started the last two games. That's 4 total starts, after getting yanked early for poor play and returning late due to injury. That's not "leading his team to 11 wins". Once he was the full time starter he led them to 8 wins.

I'm not going to apologize for Rosier's wins. Maybe instead of saying Langham "bailed him out", ask yourself why the **** Langham was even playing and if maybe that contributed to a lower completion percentage. We were struggling with injuries all year with Richards being hurt and Walton out. Don't forget Walton's 12 carries for 25 yards when bashing the offense for that night, or that late TD the defense gave up to a freshman QB.

But if Perry is ready, then you play him. But by all accounts he does not seem to be ready. It's not like we're sitting on a Baker Mayfield in favor of Rosier. It's just a horrid example any way you slice it.
 
Pickle Richt said:
Why are you being retarded about this? Knight was named the starter in 2013 and was yanked after starting two games due to his poor play. Bell took over, he got injured near the end of the season and Knight started the last two games. That's 4 total starts, after getting yanked early for poor play and returning late due to injury. That's not "leading his team to 11 wins". Once he was the full time starter he led them to 8 wins.

I'm not going to apologize for Rosier's wins. Maybe instead of saying Langham "bailed him out", ask yourself why the **** Langham was even playing and if maybe that contributed to a lower completion percentage. We were struggling with injuries all year with Richards being hurt and Walton out. Don't forget Walton's 12 carries for 25 yards when bashing the offense for that night, or that late TD the defense gave up to a freshman QB.

But if Perry is ready, then you play him. But by all accounts he does not seem to be ready. It's not like we're sitting on a Baker Mayfield in favor of Rosier. It's just a horrid example any way you slice it.
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You must have missed the article I linked. I'll post it again.

Yes, Trevor Knight is for real

Just in case you still aren't seeing it, I'll direct you to the headline.

Why the Sugar Bowl MVP's breakout against the Crimson Tide really was a glimpse at the Sooners' future.

He was hyped as the savior because he led them to some huge victories.

Tell you what. I'll concede it was a bad example if you can tell me which of the two qbs has the higher career completion percentage. Is it the Oklahoma qb who was the savior in 2013 then disappointed his following year or the Miami qb who was the savior and whose 2018 performance is TBD? I'll wait.

Oh, while you are researching here's another fun article for you from 2016.

Trevor Knight's gaudy stats only part of why he's a fan favorite at A&M and OU ... there's much more

You are emotionally attached to Rosier. That's cool man, no judgment. I don't get emotionally attached to players, I look at the data in order to determine if I think the player is likely to have progress or regress next year. The historical data for qbs with accuracy as bad as Rosier strongly suggests he will regress next year. His completion percentage is not just bad, it's objectively terrible. The question is do you think he will improve his accuracy next year. Do you think he improved towards the end of the year? We have 22 games worth of data to evaluate him and it doesn't look promising.
 
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