Any questions for a UGA fan about Richt in general?

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions! Very insightful. You may bleed red & black but it seems like you might cover the wound with a orange & green band aid?


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Not WG, but another Dqwg fan that now has the Canes as the other team to follow. Know CMR for the 15 years he was ther and still resent the AD McGoofy for the way firing handled. Canes could not have hired a better coach at this time. Think couple members of staff gotta prove themselves including Searles, who was Ok at Ga, but not in the class of Pittman hired at Ga. If Dawgs do not win 10 regular season than coaches have screwed up royally. Canes have 2 games tougher than anyone Dawgs play. Not tmotlly familiar with Canes roster yet other than Kaaya , but expect this staff will get 9 wins.
 
-Did keep him from winning a title?
Definitely not. There are a handful of reasons we didn't win it all but richt's personality is not one of them.

Can you summarize these reasons?

Oh and thank you for taking the time to chat us up. Your insight is greatly appreciated.

Also who are some of the ex-Canes players that stand out to you? Do you have one in particular that you really enjoyed watching? Maybe Ed Reed for example?? Haha


Reasons why Richt didn't win a title....well I guess you can look at a few things here.

-2002 may have been our best shot but we had the complete gaffe against florida. 2007 was a great shot but we lost 2 early games we had no business losing, win either of those and we play OSU in the national title (we would have beat lsu in the seccg). 12 we were 5 seconds away and just messed up at the end. These are specific years/games but I guess overall in more of a broad sense you can look at a few things:

-Lack of elite play on the lines. There are exceptions of course, but most natinoal title winners win the battle on the LOS handily. We've only had 3 or 4 truly great OLs under Richt. We've had some stellar DLs but doesn't seem like we've had many of late. You also need championship depth on the lines which we didn't have.
-Competent coordinators at hte same time. Aside from 01-04 when Richt was OC and Vangorder was DC, we've never got both sides of the ball humming at the same time. 05-08 we were very good offensively but had willie martinez as DC which wasn't that great. 9 and 10 we just weren't very good. 11-13 we had Aaron Murray at QB and Bobo calling plays and our offense was a machine. We were shattering school records on offense, but grantham had the defense on life support. Then pruitt comes in and our defense is a strength of the team again, but the offense blew.
-AD support. Part of this is our former pres michael adams, some is past AD evans, some is current ad mcgarity, there's plenty of blame to go around. But fact is that for a big time football school like UGA richt was handcuffed badly compared to our peers. The school (so, Richt/football have ZERO input here since it is a UGA policy) mandates certain punishments for athletes. 1st FAiled drug test is 1/2 games. 2nd failed drug test is 4 games. Heck there are plenty of schools where a 3rd or 4th drug test failure doesn't even make the paper. Alcohol arrest? Automatic 1 game. He was not working with a great situatino when it came to his players being suspended, definitely not a level playing field. In addition to this, our ADs have been indescribably cheap. I alreayd mentioned Richt paid his assistants out of his own pocket when they were refused a raise. We haven't had an IPF until now where it's just being built. Even vanderbilt has one. Our ADs are so cheap they would make the team take a 90 minute bus ride to Atlanta to board flights for away games instead of using the airport that is 3 miles from campus all to save money. I can go on and on but you get the pictures.
-Recruiting. You're going to think I'm crazy on this one but think about it. Richt typically brought in a top 10 class. Really good right!? Well, until you realize that 3 or 4 of those teams ahead of us were in our same league. If you're bringing in a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 0[/URL] class and your SEC rivals are bringing in the #1 , 2, 4, and 5 class...well you're not really going to get ahead.
-I saved this one for last because it's the most eye-roll worthy, but it does have merit....unless you're 95 nebraska you don't win a title without SOME good grace from the football gods. Notice I didn't say "luck" because people think I'm a poor sport, but I mean it's true. You need a couple of fortuitous ball bounces going your way. Heck just in recent memory, let me count the ways for some title winning teams:

-96 UF, lost finale to FSU. played them again for title
-03 LSU, lost to pedestrian UF team at home. played for title
-06 UF, lost to auburn. played for title
-07 LSU, lost to kentucky and arkansas (in the regular season finale). Needed absolute miracle of #1 and #2 losing on last weekend to jump from 7 to 2 in the BCS and play for title.
-08 UF, lost at home to ole miss. played for title
-11 AL, lost at home to LSU. got a rematch in the title game despite not winning their division
-12 AL, lost at home to texas am, played for title
-13 AU, lost to LSU. played for title
-14 OSU, lost to unranked VT. played for title
-15 AL, lost to ole miss. played for title

All of those teams lost a game (or 2!) and still won a national title. 02 UGA (13-1), 07 UGA (11-2), and 12 UGA (12-2) were mighty fine teams that were easily capable of winning a title. In 12 we faced the title winner in the SECCG and lost on teh last play, so there are zero excuses there. In 07 we lost to 2 average teams which LSU did as well, but our last loss was early october while they lost their last game. Only reason they got the nod and we didn't is because they won their division (hence, playing for the SECCG) and we didn't. At the end of 07 there was no better team than us. And in 02, we just got the incredible misfortune of UM and OSU going undefeated. Taht 02 team was as good as anyone but didn't get the good fortune the other teams I listed did.

I guess to sum up....Richt as a person and as a coach is perfectly capable of winning a title. He just never did in Athens. But he is capable I fully believe that.



As for your last question, I'm 30 so I wasn't watching during the late 80s during the heyday. I didn't really pay attention to miami until probably the late 90s/early 2000s whenever they would have the classic showdowns wiht FSU, and then of course the incredible 01 season. And I was pulling for UM so, so bad in 02 because I despise OSU. As far as specific players, heck all the big names from about 01-04 stand out.
 
What do you take on the over/under @ 8 wins - for how many more wins Richt has over kirby in 3 years?

O/U for MIami at 8? I'd definitely take over. FAMU, FAU, Pitt, UVA are guaranteed wins it would seem. App St returns a ton and is away but still, it's app state. Win. As long as richt is the coach, I'll never count on his team losing to tech. Win. Duke/NCSt/UNC/VT all easily winnable but call them tossups. That leaves FSU and ND as the only likely losses. I'd say 8 or better seems right.
 
Thanks for taking the time to answer questions! Very insightful. You may bleed red & black but it seems like you might cover the wound with a orange & green band aid?


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Wellllllll I'm not sure I'd go QUITE that far, but yes I will certainly be keeping an eye on miami for a while. Y'all and Colorado State.
 
How was Searls for you guys at UGA?

Ehhh, alright I guess. The 07/08 lines had a ton of potential (anchored by Trinton Sturdivant) but he didn't recruit them and TS went down prior to 08. The 09/10 lines were nothign to write home about.

I don't have anything bad to say abotu him but nothing really stands out either.
 
Wow, this is kind of a sobering thread. No disrespect to WC_Dawg who's providing some great insights and specific examples. I'm hoping we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment this season and beyond.
 
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Wow, this is kind of a sobering thread. No disrespect to WC_Dawg who's providing some great insights and specific examples. I'm hoping we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment this season and beyond.

Hmm not sure why this would be sobering. I definitely don't think yall will be disappointed in the short term future. I think everyone needs to realize that this is a brand new staff, new mindset, new basically everything. So no, you aren't going to the playoffs this year. No, you likely aren't winning the ACC this year. BUT, that's not reason to be down. I can almost guarantee that y'all will win the coastal within 3 years.
 
I think I speak for most canes fans here in saying we respect and like UGA. Granted the whole transfer thing with Kirby.

You have an ally with canes fans. Good luck this year.
 
I think I speak for most canes fans here in saying we respect and like UGA. Granted the whole transfer thing with Kirby.

You have an ally with canes fans. Good luck this year.

Likewise. I'll bet that UM has quite a few new fans in GA as well. Aside from the idiots on the lunatic fringe (there's some in every crowd) I can't think of any reason why UGA fans wouldn't be pulling hard for Richt. I just really hope miami and colorado state never play in a bowl, that would be a tough one to pull for lol
 
Wow, this is kind of a sobering thread. No disrespect to WC_Dawg who's providing some great insights and specific examples. I'm hoping we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment this season and beyond.

Hmm not sure why this would be sobering. I definitely don't think yall will be disappointed in the short term future. I think everyone needs to realize that this is a brand new staff, new mindset, new basically everything. So no, you aren't going to the playoffs this year. No, you likely aren't winning the ACC this year. BUT, that's not reason to be down. I can almost guarantee that y'all will win the coastal within 3 years.

I think you're speaking out of turn about our prospects this season. We have a very legitimate chance to win the costal, can still win the ACC, and going to the playoffs is not impossible, because the season hasn't even started yet. Urban Meyer and Tom Herman fielded very competitive teams after taking them over and I expect nothing less with the caliber of players, coaching staff, and division Miami is in. Truth be told, the personnel fits Richt's system much more than it ever did Golden's. Appreciate the insight but let's stop at your familiarity with Richt's tenure at UGA.

BTW, I followed and was a big fan of FSU during Richt's tenure as OC, before he was hired at UGA. Back then, his fast-break offenses were the best i'd ever seen, college or pro. It was a beauty to watch at the college level with elements of power-spread, pro style, no-huddle, and I was surprised to hear UGA took him away from what he did best! Sounds like the "peter principle" in action. He's an offensive guru and, with Kaaya saying he's already mastered the offense, the sky is the limit. All due respect but you have no idea about our roster and what's about to come out of Coral Gables. However, I thank you kindly for your responses.
 
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Hey WG-Dawg, thanks for the insight. Summertime on football boards are like walking through the desert with no water. Its torture.

Question..the one thing I LOVE about Richt ( I will admit that I wanted Butch though) is that I can rarely ever remember UGA losing a game that you should have won of talent alone. As you prob know, in the last 10 years of UM football we find ourselves losing to teams that we have no business losing to. For example, Cincy last year.

You have pundits saying we should watch out for App State. lol. Yeah if Golden was our coach. I just dont see a coach like Richt losing a game like that.

Is it safe to say, within reason, that the days of us losing games to "lower tier" opponents are over? (I.E..App State, NC State, Wake Forest, BC, UVA, Pitt, etc)

Or furthermore, the dreadful "playing down to our opponents"? (I.E. Duke, Ga Tech, UL)

Again, I rarely ever remember Richt losing alot of games to teams UGA could beat on talent alone.

Your insight is appreciated.
 
Wow, this is kind of a sobering thread. No disrespect to WC_Dawg who's providing some great insights and specific examples. I'm hoping we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment this season and beyond.

Hmm not sure why this would be sobering. I definitely don't think yall will be disappointed in the short term future. I think everyone needs to realize that this is a brand new staff, new mindset, new basically everything. So no, you aren't going to the playoffs this year. No, you likely aren't winning the ACC this year. BUT, that's not reason to be down. I can almost guarantee that y'all will win the coastal within 3 years.

I think you're speaking out of turn about our prospects this season. We have a very legitimate chance to win the costal, can still win the ACC, and going to the playoffs is not impossible, because the season hasn't even started yet. Urban Meyer and Tom Herman fielded very competitive teams after taking them over and I expect nothing less with the caliber of players, coaching staff, and division Miami is in. Truth be told, the personnel fits Richt's system much more than it ever did Golden's. Appreciate the insight but let's stop at your familiarity with Richt's tenure at UGA.

BTW, I followed and was a big fan of FSU during Richt's tenure as OC, before he was hired at UGA. Back then, his fast-break offenses were the best i'd ever seen, college or pro. It was a beauty to watch at the college level with elements of power-spread, pro style, no-huddle, and I was surprised to hear UGA took him away from what he did best! Sounds like the "peter principle" in action. He's an offensive guru and, with Kaaya saying he's already mastered the offense, the sky is the limit. All due respect but you have no idea about our roster and what's about to come out of Coral Gables. However, I thank you kindly for your responses.

I've been very forthright about not knowing much about your team, but at the same time I'm realistic. New head coach, new coordinators, new systems to install on both sides...that's typically going to take some growing pains. Richt's first year here he went 8-4. Meyer's first year at UF he went 9-3. SAban's first at bama he went 7-6, his first at LSU was 8-4.

I'm not saying UM is going to suck, not at all. Just saying common sense would dictate it'll take a year for everyone to get on the same page.
 
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Wow, this is kind of a sobering thread. No disrespect to WC_Dawg who's providing some great insights and specific examples. I'm hoping we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment this season and beyond.

Hmm not sure why this would be sobering. I definitely don't think yall will be disappointed in the short term future. I think everyone needs to realize that this is a brand new staff, new mindset, new basically everything. So no, you aren't going to the playoffs this year. No, you likely aren't winning the ACC this year. BUT, that's not reason to be down. I can almost guarantee that y'all will win the coastal within 3 years.

I think you're speaking out of turn about our prospects this season. We have a very legitimate chance to win the costal, can still win the ACC, and going to the playoffs is not impossible, because the season hasn't even started yet. Urban Meyer and Tom Herman fielded very competitive teams after taking them over and I expect nothing less with the caliber of players, coaching staff, and division Miami is in. Truth be told, the personnel fits Richt's system much more than it ever did Golden's. Appreciate the insight but let's stop at your familiarity with Richt's tenure at UGA.

BTW, I followed and was a big fan of FSU during Richt's tenure as OC, before he was hired at UGA. Back then, his fast-break offenses were the best i'd ever seen, college or pro. It was a beauty to watch at the college level with elements of power-spread, pro style, no-huddle, and I was surprised to hear UGA took him away from what he did best! Sounds like the "peter principle" in action. He's an offensive guru and, with Kaaya saying he's already mastered the offense, the sky is the limit. All due respect but you have no idea about our roster and what's about to come out of Coral Gables. However, I thank you kindly for your responses.

While I appreciate your loyalty and optimism, going to the playoffs this year is impossible with our OL the way it is. And unless we pull this Maurice Smith kid I am not confident about our DBs past Elder and Redwine. And when you are starting 2 Tr-Fr LBs that aint a good sign. (although they are beasts).

Best case scenario is winning the ACC Coastal which we should do. Anything else is an unbelievably great first year.
 
Hey WG-Dawg, thanks for the insight. Summertime on football boards are like walking through the desert with no water. Its torture.

Question..the one thing I LOVE about Richt ( I will admit that I wanted Butch though) is that I can rarely ever remember UGA losing a game that you should have won of talent alone. As you prob know, in the last 10 years of UM football we find ourselves losing to teams that we have no business losing to. For example, Cincy last year.

You have pundits saying we should watch out for App State. lol. Yeah if Golden was our coach. I just dont see a coach like Richt losing a game like that.

Is it safe to say, within reason, that the days of us losing games to "lower tier" opponents are over? (I.E..App State, NC State, Wake Forest, BC, UVA, Pitt, etc)

Or furthermore, the dreadful "playing down to our opponents"? (I.E. Duke, Ga Tech, UL)


Again, I rarely ever remember Richt losing alot of games to teams UGA could beat on talent alone.

Your insight is appreciated.

First and foremost, let me say that I think this move is going to reinvigorate Richt. I would imagine MIami will play like his early UGA teams as opposed to our later teams. Now for the part you don't want to hear....the last half of richt's tenure was pretty much known for exactly what you're asking. One game a year with just an inexplicable, head scratching game. Early richt teams were tough as nails, fundamental, hard hitting, and sound. We didn't win every game but we **** sure made the opponent earn their win. Later richt days, not so much. A brief rundown, from either playing down to opponents or getting blown out:

15:
3 point win over bad missouri team, 24 point loss to UF, 6 point win in OT over georgia southern, 6 point win over 3 win gt team

14:
3 point loss to bad SC team, 18 point loss to UF,

13:
loss to vanderbilt, loss to unranked nebraska

12:
28 point loss to SC

11:
32 point loss to LSU

10:
12 point loss to Miss st, loss to bad CU team, loss to UCF

09:
26 point loss to avg UT, loss to kentucky

08:
7 point win over SC, 39 point loss to UF, loss to GT

07:
loss to SC, 21 point loss to UT


Now, it bears mentioning that some of those teams were simply better than us. I'm not saying we should win every game. But some of those losses shouldn't have been complete blowouts like they were. And some of the wins for us SHOULD have been blowouts just on talent alone but weren't.

Looking at richt's early years it was the opposite, we suprirsed a lot of people and were the ones to be feared. And to give credit, richt had quite a few BIG wins later years as well. But it was a very disturbing trend of at least 1 game a year that we either lost and had no business losing or squeaked one out when we shouldn't.

But back to my original statement...I think that you're going ot see the earlier version of richt instead of the later version.
 
Thanks! Some of those losses I forgot about. Ill assume that 2010 was a rough year for UGA. Totally forgot about the UCF loss.

As you said, some of the losses you mentioned are nothing to be ashamed of. Losing to LSU, UF, or USCe is nothing to hang your head in shame.

I also get the feeling that we will be getting the Richt from 2001-2008. (this guy went 13-1 his 2nd year! Forgot about that. THAT has me VERY excited if we can convince Brad Kaaya to stay for his Sr year)
 
What do you think about the assistants he brought (or have UGA ties) over with him?

Basically what has been reported:

Felder: Well received so far. Huge improvement over Swasey (not saying much)
Brown: Excellent RB coach. OC title is just that, title. Strong assistant.
Richt Jr: Typical coaches son hire. Knows the system. QB coach in name only. Reliable. No issues here.
Hartley: Supposed bagman. Probably not. Certified creeper. I'd rather have Golden coaching my TE
Searles: Huge improvement over Kehoe (also not saying much). Seems like a solid hire. Maybe not elite
 
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