Another Coaches Clinic Recap

[SWFLHurricane]

Kehoe don't get the credit deserved majority of the o line in the league are his guys (might be all can't remember if Flowers was his recruit or not )

With Greg Mark...

 

[Lazarre]

Well, I think everyone else has really gotten into the X-and-O's of what Gattis does, better than I can. So I wont even try to get into all that...

But I've always felt that whoever came into the job (from Mario on down on the offensive staff) would run a TVD-friendly system, that would play to his strengths, because ultimately I believe your offense should be tailored to what he does well (the QB). And TVD is a premiere college signal caller.

We got a gun, lets load the chamber and let him shoot bullets.

And quite frankly, we may not have the road-graders to really just jam the running game down peoples throat like Cristobal wants at this stage

I actually like our skill players top to bottom. We dont have the Oline that Michigan did last season -- and they were very good -- but I like our guys outside better by a lot.

People get concerned over terms like 'Wing-T', but keep this in mind, there are different versions of the spread. Some are about the run, some are Air Raid, etc. These things can be varied based on personnel and talent...

I think Gattis will adjust the offense to the team strength. I really do hope he maximize TVD and the skills guys but his offense has never been sling the ball around. There is a reason why he is/been a OC for Saban, Harbaugh and Cristabol which all of them are known for physical and balance. Their version of how a offense should look align with each other.

I agree with you about the “Wing-T” stuff. The “Wing-T” chatter is being over blown. Any two back or motion read-option offense has Wing-T concept and principles in it. Look at Urban Meyer offense before Ryan Day and Gus Malzahn, but it’s the off season and we need to have something to talk about and have fun with.

 

[Warrior808]

Just curious, why does everyone keep saying we wont have an OL like Michigan and Michigan ran behind their strength which was a great ol etc etc. They literally have one guy expected to get drafted this year and it will be mid to late rounds, maybe even free agent. Next year 2023 there are some mid round projections but no day 1 types. It wasn't a bad O Line but definitely not one for the ages. MIchigan's studs were on defense.

Maybe they ran the ball so well because Gattis schemed up a really nice rush game, no reason he cant do that here. In fact, that whole offense was mostly average to trash personnel with a few above averages sprinkled in. It's actually amazing what he got out of those players, I am excited to see what he can do with a full set of weapons.

 

[Memnon]

Just curious, why does everyone keep saying we wont have an OL like Michigan and Michigan ran behind their strength which was a great ol etc etc. They literally have one guy expected to get drafted this year and it will be mid to late rounds, maybe even free agent. Next year 2023 there are some mid round projections but no day 1 types. It wasn't a bad O Line but definitely not one for the ages. MIchigan's studs were on defense.

Maybe they ran the ball so well because Gattis schemed up a really nice rush game, no reason he cant do that here. In fact, that whole offense was mostly average to trash personnel with a few above averages sprinkled in. It's actually amazing what he got out of those players, I am excited to see what he can do with a full set of weapons.

You might be overestimating the state of our current OL...

 

[Warrior808]

You might be overestimating the state of our current OL...

Maybe. Im not saying they will be as good as Michigan, I just dont think that Wolverine line was anything too special. Better coaching and a more balanced offense should help a lot until reinforcements come.

 

[DTP]

They were completely overmatched against a historically great defense. I’m sure he went back and saw missed opportunities on film but not sure there’s a **** ton for him to learn from that game.

I hope he learned that good quarterback play is the most important piece to any offense in the modern game and that even the best run blocking offense in football isn’t enough to beat great defenses.

 

[AUcane]

Just curious, why does everyone keep saying we wont have an OL like Michigan and Michigan ran behind their strength which was a great ol etc etc. They literally have one guy expected to get drafted this year and it will be mid to late rounds, maybe even free agent. Next year 2023 there are some mid round projections but no day 1 types. It wasn't a bad O Line but definitely not one for the ages. MIchigan's studs were on defense.

Maybe they ran the ball so well because Gattis schemed up a really nice rush game, no reason he cant do that here. In fact, that whole offense was mostly average to trash personnel with a few above averages sprinkled in. It's actually amazing what he got out of those players, I am excited to see what he can do with a full set of weapons.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

I hope he learned that good quarterback play is the most important piece to any offense in the modern game and that even the best run blocking offense in football isn’t enough to beat great defenses.

I’d hope he knew that before the game. He just didn’t have the QB.

 

[DTP]

I’d hope he knew that before the game. He just didn’t have the QB.

I agree and I'm not trying to start an argument or anything but don't you think that as the OC for three seasons at Michigan, it was kind of his responsibility to get a quarterback? It's not like he just took the job and the cupboard was bare. ****, Lashlee was here for like 40 minutes before he went out and got D'Eriq King.

(Ok, I looked it up. Lashlee was hired on January 3 and King transferred on January 20.)

 

[canesdogo]

Eh, Lashlee's run calls might have been too vanilla but for the first year and a half, Miami wasn't bad running the ball at all.

In 2020, they actually ran the ball more than they passed it. On average they ran it 38 times for 163 yards per game. 4.3 ypc. 66th in the nation, in rushing offense so not great but pretty decent.

The first 6 games of 2021 they ran the ball on average 36 times for 160 yards on 4.43 yards per carry. Then Cam Harris got hurt and the only running backs they had on the roster were Knighton and two freshmen. The second half of the year they fell to 32 carries for 97 yards (a pathetic) 3.01 yards per carry.

You can say that D'Eriq King made a big difference in the rushing numbers in 2020 and that's true but in 2021 he got hurt in week three and they still rushed for 322, 169 and 157 yards over the next three games. The biggest issue with Miami not being able to run the ball last year was that they didn't have any running backs who could be counted on to carry a load.

How many games have you watched where in crucial 3 and shorts we ran up the middle?...What was the count?..
Total averages do not equate with 3 and short which we failed to convert to keep playing..
Count those too will ya.?

 

[DTP]

How many games have you watched where in crucial 3 and shorts we ran up the middle?...What was the count?..
Total averages do not equate with 3 and short which we failed to convert to keep playing..
Count those too will ya.?

What were the numbers? I don't have them available. I'm sure they weren't particularly great at converting short yardage runs with a poor run blocking line and a 180lb running back but that's why they would use play action a lot in short yardage. Miami was 50th overall in 3rd down rate so they were an above average team at converting.

 

[Warrior808]

RELAX, I may have worded that wrong..Not saying we we have an oline as good as MIchigan. Just saying they were not elite like people are making them out to be. Its not like comparing us to Georgia's personnel on D. Michigan had a good line, nothing more.

 

[DTP]

RELAX, I may have worded that wrong..Not saying we we have an oline as good as MIchigan. Just saying they were not elite like people are making them out to be. Its not like comparing us to Georgia's personnel on D. Michigan had a good line, nothing more.

U-M Offensive Line Named Joe Moore Award Winner - University of Michigan Athletics

The offensive line of the No. 2-ranked University of Michigan football team was crowned as the winner of the 2021 Joe Moore Award, given to the top offensive...

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The Joe Moore award is given annually to the nation's top offensive line.

 

[Warrior808]

U-M Offensive Line Named Joe Moore Award Winner - University of Michigan Athletics

The offensive line of the No. 2-ranked University of Michigan football team was crowned as the winner of the 2021 Joe Moore Award, given to the top offensive...

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The Joe Moore award is given annually to the nation's top offensive line.

As a unit they were impressive but thats also due to scheme which is basically what I am getting at. Gattis ability to make an oline better via scheme.

If you look at them from a pure talent and personnel perspective, they are not nearly as impressive. They probably wont make much more of and NFL impact than ours. This is what gives me hope (along with upgraded position coaching) that our oline will be much improved.

 

[DTP]

As a unit they were impressive but thats also due to scheme which is basically what I am getting at. Gattis ability to make an oline better via scheme.

If you look at them from a pure talent and personnel perspective, they are not nearly as impressive. They probably wont make much more of and NFL impact than ours. This is what gives me hope (along with upgraded position coaching) that our oline will be much improved.

Yeah but this is the case all the time. Everyone always talks about Wisconsin's great lines and they rarely have players drafted early. The NFL usually prefers linemen that can pass block over road graders because the NFL is a much more pass friendly league. Some guys are very talented for the college game but it doesn't translate to the pro game.

 

[kryptonite]

What were the numbers? I don't have them available. I'm sure they weren't particularly great at converting short yardage runs with a poor run blocking line and a 180lb running back but that's why they would use play action a lot in short yardage. Miami was 50th overall in 3rd down rate so they were an above average team at converting.

I also don't have the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that we threw on at least 50% of our short-yardage situations.

 

[kryptonite]

As a unit they were impressive but thats also due to scheme which is basically what I am getting at. Gattis ability to make an oline better via scheme.

If you look at them from a pure talent and personnel perspective, they are not nearly as impressive. They probably wont make much more of and NFL impact than ours. This is what gives me hope (along with upgraded position coaching) that our oline will be much improved.

I think you're confusing good NFL prospects with good college players. Yes, they are often the same, but sometimes not. The NFL may not love these guys, that doesn't mean they aren't great at their job. Charlie Ward comes to mind.

 

[gcane44]

What were the numbers? I don't have them available. I'm sure they weren't particularly great at converting short yardage runs with a poor run blocking line and a 180lb running back but that's why they would use play action a lot in short yardage. Miami was 50th overall in 3rd down rate so they were an above average team at converting.

You forgot to list no schematic creativity in the running game

 

[DTP]

You forgot to list no schematic creativity in the running game

Yeah we probably should have ran more end around on third and inches.

 

[DTP]

I also don't have the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that we threw on at least 50% of our short-yardage situations.

We definitely threw on short yardage a lot. You gotta run the plays that work.