An overlooked important play & some random musings

[Return of the U]

Justin Scott played very well in his limited duty.

If he was an EE he would already be playing 20-30 snaps.

Raw, but quick and powerful.

 

[mlw352]

I'm going to stop you right there, because you are completely wrong.

The center's right hand is clearly holding Moten's left sleeve, which is what impeded Moten from getting upfield. Then, as Moten attempts to flow to his right and puts out his right hand to grab the runner, he is thrown to the ground.

And that throwdown was set up by the initial hold, pictured below, from the ref's point-of-view. You know, the ref who actually threw the flag because he saw what was captured on video.

No "bail out". Correct call. Holding. Perhaps a minor hold, but it actually occurred. And the ref threw the flag long before he knew the outcome of the play, unlike several other calls that went against us.



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You can tell who’s never played football by them not understanding what a hold. It is a clear view of restraining the man’s ability to make a move or he wouldn’t have done it if it didn’t create any advantage you never hold someone’s outer pads your taught to get there chest plate so these calls won’t happen but I know Nick saban one of the biggest haters and cheaters of all time says it so It must be true so he’s never lied ?

This **** is annoying people are trying to make it seem like we’re some favorite of the acc and they’re terrible refs when we’ve been ****ed over for 20 plus years now. So all of a sudden now they wanna help us how many other plays were we held on no to and no call.

Virginia tech was doing all types of dirty **** with no calls all night you really think they’re lines just that good to keep getting the edge on our ends get the **** out of here. There was plenty of missed calls that benefited them **** Virginia tech they were helped way more by those terrible refs than they were hurt.

 

[mlw352]

This is clearly holding

 

[TheOriginalCane]

That’s not holding imo.

You can hold inside the pads, every OL holds you inside the pads. They’re taught to grab and hold, just not when you move side to side. You can’t yank outside.

He lets go and our DL clearly falls and holds his hands up in a prayer to get a call. It worked.

I’m also going to defer to one of the sharpest minds in all of football (no pun intended) that agreed, as well as countless other neutral viewers.





Clean as heck block up til here so far. He’s facing slightly tilted to the right, he’s not out of position and is squarely blocking our guy, full facing position.



No hands outside, 68 just flat out bullies our guy imo. The hands are even on top of the shoulder pads, no reaching around.

Nonetheless, at a bare minimum, it’s an eye for an eye regarding the hold on Bell to go up 21-7 that clearly wasn’t a hold.

You're so wrong that it's not even funny.

I've already provided clear pictures. I'm not going to include your blurry pictures from later in the play.

I don't care about your opinion, and I certainly don't care about "holding inside the pads". I have posted multiple photos where the center has clearly grabbed Moten's JERSEY, by the sleeve. That is not allowed.

I also don't give two ***** about what "they're taught". I used to work for NASCAR, I understand "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'". And I understand "don't get caught". I realize the center was doing everything he could (legal and illegal) to minimize the impact of Moten's backfield intrusion. But the ref was standing right behind the running back and saw everything. And immediately threw a flag.

Cut the crap where "our DL clearly falls and holds his hands up in a prayer to get a call". That just didn't happen. Two VaTech players fell on top of Moten, there was no "hands up in a prayer to get a call". More importantly, if you actually watched the replay, the ref threw the flag from the very beginning of the hold, not "after" the play because Moten was "praying for a call".

You just made up all that nonsense.

You are making things worse with garbage such as "clean as heck block up til here so far". and "is squarely blocking our guy, full facing position". And how about "68 just flat out bullies our guy imo", that's not even close to being true. Moten pushed that center backwards until Moten tried to make the tackle and was thrown down in the direction of his lateral movement.

I would like to ask you which play you watched. Because it could not possibly have been that play. Either that or you are intentionally lying.

Moten pushed the center BACKWARDS. The center did not "bully" Moten. Moten fires out of his stance. Moten puts both hands on the centers shoulders and pushes him straight backwards. MOTEN IS DOING THE BULLYING, not the other way around. The center turns slightly to allow Moten to make more progress to the center's right, which is exactly when the center grabs Moten's sleeve to prevent him from getting upfield to his right.

Moten sees the running back, but realizes he is being held. He also sees the running back going to Moten's right (center's left) and Moten disengages his right arm to reach out towards the running back to try to make the tackle.

It is only at this point, when Moten is moving OFF of the center's hold towards the running back, that the center uses the leverage and Moten's lateral movement to throw Moten sideways to the ground.

And none of that matters, because the ref has already seen the hold and is throwing the flag. All of your bullcrap about the "clean block" and "letting go" and "bullying" and every other bit of nonsense that you invented is meaningless. The hold has been spotted, the hold has been flagged.

Sorry, but on this one, you are flat out wrong. I could care less about Warren Sharp and "countless other neutral viewers". All of that is worthless. All of the "countless other neutral viewers" did not see the play and are relying upon Andre Ware's bull**** summary of the play. Even the video replay ALMOST misses the hold, since ESPN begins the replay after the ball is already snapped and everyone is in motion.

Thanks for your blurry pictures, though.

It was holding. You're not allowed to grab a player's sleeve and impede his movement. That's...you know...HOLDING.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

You're so wrong that it's not even funny.

I've already provided clear pictures. I'm not going to include your blurry pictures from later in the play.

I don't care about your opinion, and I certainly don't care about "holding inside the pads". I have posted multiple photos where the center has clearly grabbed Moten's JERSEY, by the sleeve. That is not allowed.

I also don't give two ***** about what "they're taught". I used to work for NASCAR, I understand "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'". And I understand "don't get caught". I realize the center was doing everything he could (legal and illegal) to minimize the impact of Moten's backfield intrusion. But the ref was standing right behind the running back and saw everything. And immediately threw a flag.

Cut the crap where "our DL clearly falls and holds his hands up in a prayer to get a call". That just didn't happen. Two VaTech players fell on top of Moten, there was no "hands up in a prayer to get a call". More importantly, if you actually watched the replay, the ref threw the flag from the very beginning of the hold, not "after" the play because Moten was "praying for a call".

You just made up all that nonsense.

You are making things worse with garbage such as "clean as heck block up til here so far". and "is squarely blocking our guy, full facing position". And how about "68 just flat out bullies our guy imo", that's not even close to being true. Moten pushed that center backwards until Moten tried to make the tackle and was thrown down in the direction of his lateral movement.

I would like to ask you which play you watched. Because it could not possibly have been that play. Either that or you are intentionally lying.

Moten pushed the center BACKWARDS. The center did not "bully" Moten. Moten fires out of his stance. Moten puts both hands on the centers shoulders and pushes him straight backwards. MOTEN IS DOING THE BULLYING, not the other way around. The center turns slightly to allow Moten to make more progress to the center's right, which is exactly when the center grabs Moten's sleeve to prevent him from getting upfield to his right.

Moten sees the running back, but realizes he is being held. He also sees the running back going to Moten's right (center's left) and Moten disengages his right arm to reach out towards the running back to try to make the tackle.

It is only at this point, when Moten is moving OFF of the center's hold towards the running back, that the center uses the leverage and Moten's lateral movement to throw Moten sideways to the ground.

And none of that matters, because the ref has already seen the hold and is throwing the flag. All of your bullcrap about the "clean block" and "letting go" and "bullying" and every other bit of nonsense that you invented is meaningless. The hold has been spotted, the hold has been flagged.

Sorry, but on this one, you are flat out wrong. I could care less about Warren Sharp and "countless other neutral viewers". All of that is worthless. All of the "countless other neutral viewers" did not see the play and are relying upon Andre Ware's bull**** summary of the play. Even the video replay ALMOST misses the hold, since ESPN begins the replay after the ball is already snapped and everyone is in motion.

Thanks for your blurry pictures, though.

It was holding. You're not allowed to grab a player's sleeve and impede his movement. That's...you know...HOLDING.

If writing a thesis made you feel better, then ok , your opinion.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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This is clearly holding

Honest to God, I don't think I've ever seen a poster explain the OPPOSITE of every detail in such a dishonest manner.

Just look at the photo that YOU provided, thank you very much, and we can see how wrong the prior poster was.

Quite literally, EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN has either pushed a defender upfield, or is engaged with the defender AT the line of scrimmage. The ONLY offensive lineman who has been pushed BACKWARDS into the running lane is...THE CENTER.

Yes, the CENTER who was "bullying" Moten. Making a "clean block til there".

It's like it's Opposite Day or something.

Moten was whipping the center, until he got held and then pushed down laterally when Moten tried to disengage to make the tackle.

I still can't believe what a Miami fan is trying to gaslight us about for that particular play.

A play that DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, as VaTech scored a touchdown a few plays later.

The point is...we need to stop believing VaTech's desperate excuse-making, where they try to tell us that this "phantom holding" (which was an actual holding penalty) was some game-changing play, when it was nothing of the sort. As if VaTech was "robbed" of a touchdown that they scored a few plays later.

I don't know who is trying to brainwash us more, the VaTech fans or some of the "Miami fans" who are making up false facts.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

If writing a thesis made you feel better, then ok , your opinion.

If lying to us makes YOU feel better, then you really need to look in the mirror. Because you're still a liar.

I get that you're trying to curry favor with your VaTech friends, about what a "fair" person you are, but keep your lies to yourself.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

If lying to us makes YOU feel better, then you really need to look in the mirror. Because you're still a liar.

I get that you're trying to curry favor with your VaTech friends, about what a "fair" person you are, but keep your lies to yourself.

Actually I didn’t lie because the call on the field was holding

Why are you so upset? Apparently I’m a VT fan because I disagreed with your opinion on a call?

Are you easily this rattled?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Actually I didn’t lie because the call on the field was holding

Why are you so upset? Apparently I’m a VT fan because I disagreed with your opinion on a call?

Are you easily this rattled?

Has nothing to do with "my opinion". There are pictures of the hold.

What you are lying about is every other invented detail that you claim to have seen. Like how Moten got "bullied" by the center, when he pushed the center backwards 2 yards.

This has nothing to do with being "rattled". The simpler question is why you can't tell the truth? Why do you feel compelled to lie about things for which there is video and pictorial evidence that you are lying? What is your game? What is your motivation for lying in such a poor and obviously exposable fashion?

It's very weird on your part. I could understand you being wrong the first time, maybe you got up to grab a snack when they showed the replay and you only heard Andre Ware lie about it.

But when you have video and pictorial evidence that shows the OPPOSITE of your lies, that's when it's time to admit you were wrong and hope nobody holds it against you for being so wrong.

You don't have to double-down on crazy lies.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Has nothing to do with "my opinion". There are pictures of the hold.

What you are lying about is every other invented detail that you claim to have seen. Like how Moten got "bullied" by the center, when he pushed the center backwards 2 yards.

This has nothing to do with being "rattled". The simpler question is why you can't tell the truth? Why do you feel compelled to lie about things for which there is video and pictorial evidence that you are lying? What is your game? What is your motivation for lying in such a poor and obviously exposable fashion?

It's very weird on your part. I could understand you being wrong the first time, maybe you got up to grab a snack when they showed the replay and you only heard Andre Ware lie about it.

But when you have video and pictorial evidence that shows the OPPOSITE of your lies, that's when it's time to admit you were wrong and hope nobody holds it against you for being so wrong.

You don't have to double-down on crazy lies.

It’s a lie?

A flag was called. The flag was for holding.

I think those are facts?


Instead you wrote a bunch of tangents and points surrounding emotion and years of built up anger towards refs, deflecting from the main point. Always excuses in the last 20+ years, always running from the main problem. It’s always this person’s fault or that person’s fault, no accountability.

Moten was pushed on his ***. There isn’t one person arguing otherwise except about 60-70 Miami fans that will always cry when refs are involved because 2001 and 2023 GT (even though…never mind).

It’s not that serious, there’s no need to have a conniption. Cálmate

 

[HurricanePhilly]

At this point all that I see we took a very solid VTechs team best shot and they had a great game plan on both sides of the ball. We didnt play great in a lot of phases. Had a few no calls/calls that went against us early that changed momentum and in the end we won.

As recent as last year we probably lose this game 38-21.

I'm glad we got this game now and should learn from it. I'm hoping for a relatively easy one vs Cal. Then a week off and we go into LVille at close to full strength.

 

[ScubaCane]

I encourage people to watch #4 in pass protection. He is not just good there, he is a difference-making 6'2, 235 pounder who strikes people.

Much better than Martinez, who seems to half *** most of time

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Excellent porst. Here are a couple of my favorites:

-73 is overrated by this board.
Yeah? Count me in as one of the overraters. I guess he’s overrated by the NFL too. One game against the best DL we will face all year and he’s overrated? Ok

-Mark Fletcher had a few excellent blitz pickups.
If only his running skills were as good as his blitz pickup. Sidenote- to the dummy that said Fletcher should’ve been Bell’s buddy all night, how do you pick up blitzes and help the LT all night without cloning yourself?

-Huge drop by VT on the first play after Ward’s Q3 int. Woulda been 1st and goal at the 2.
Also a huge play during the interception prevented it from being a TD.

-What a dime down the sideline when Mike Irving was fired up with restrepo.

Mike Irving? It’s Irvin. And before you hit me with the auto-correct nonsense, I typed that out a couple times and there was no auto correcting on this iPhone I’m using to send this reply, which leads me to the following conclusion - you either don’t know the last name of one of our legends or, gasp, you use a Galaxy which is just as egregious.

I think you have a bright future writing for The Dodo or The Onion.

 

[L A M P]

They let a lot worse holds than that go. I'd venture to say the ref thinks he missed that call. OL did a good job getting hands inside. I think it just made up for the Bell call. (which technically was also a hold)

 

[C A N S]

I encourage people to watch #4 in pass protection. He is not just good there, he is a difference-making 6'2, 235 pounder who strikes people.

If only he was a difference maker as a runner.

 

[edge]

They called the timeout at with 21 seconds left because they were not sure if they should go for it or kick the field goal. So I get that. The dumber decision was the poor squib kick that we had non problem with. But yes, it is very evident why their corch can’t win close games.

 

[JHallCanes]

I encourage people to watch #4 in pass protection. He is not just good there, he is a difference-making 6'2, 235 pounder who strikes people.

Was it him in there on the Arroyo INT play? Whoever it was does a great job in pass pro and then made a great effort to try and make the tackle

 

[mirasuegui]

I can't remember who actually got called for that holding penalty on their 55 yard td, but tyler baron was absolutely held plainly on the far right of all the clips by #70 on the OL. he wouldn't have made a play on it anyways and probably not who they called it on but it was obvious and blatant

Holding calls are subjective, Bell in the opinion of most, did not hold. On wide toss plays, there were blocks in the back constantly, pass interference calls were a disgrace. I'm always tired of hearing that we got one called, with the crap that went on out there. What was bad, was the tackling, and our DB's waiting on tech receivers to catch the ball, instead of going after it. That Touchdown when the QB for tech while being chase, throws the ball back across the field like a balloon, and number zero doesn't make a play on it? That should have been an interception, and let's not forget on the field goal, Tech having 2 numbers 17 out there.

 

[mirasuegui]

You can tell who’s never played football by them not understanding what a hold. It is a clear view of restraining the man’s ability to make a move or he wouldn’t have done it if it didn’t create any advantage you never hold someone’s outer pads your taught to get there chest plate so these calls won’t happen but I know Nick saban one of the biggest haters and cheaters of all time says it so It must be true so he’s never lied ?

This **** is annoying people are trying to make it seem like we’re some favorite of the acc and they’re terrible refs when we’ve been ****ed over for 20 plus years now. So all of a sudden now they wanna help us how many other plays were we held on no to and no call.

Virginia tech was doing all types of dirty **** with no calls all night you really think they’re lines just that good to keep getting the edge on our ends get the **** out of here. There was plenty of missed calls that benefited them **** Virginia tech they were helped way more by those terrible refs than they were hurt.

Bingo, so sick of this crap, yeah ACC helping us. Start with the obvious, 2 number 17 being out there on the first Field Goal, **** Stevie Wonder would have seen that.

 

[EudocimusAlbus]

Almost all blocking along the line looks like holding to me, **** isn't it taught to get your hands under a DL's pads? idk, seems like only the most egregious holds have a chance of being flagged.