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The Franchise said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
daddacane said:
FSU is loaded again this year, ranked 2nd or 5th by all recruiting services. Notre Dame top ten with game in Chicago..UNC top twenty..Va Tech and Pitts are on the rebound with new coaches...I just hope we don't go backwards from last year...
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Dumb post. Golden almost beat FSU, multiple times, while they had a transcendent QB among the other elite talent they had. Now they have no QB and a less talented team, but it's an automatic loss?

And is Miami not "on the rebound" with our new coach? Why does VT and Pitt get a "boost" for having new coaches? Why don't you apply the same logic to your own team?
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These guys don't understand the enormous importance of a QB in the game of football. A great QB like ours can even the field against a team like FSU that has more talent overall than us but no QB.

A great QB can level the field just like a bad one can. A bad one can bring a team otherwise loaded with talent down a few notches very easily.

There's no excuses for Richt with a Heisman caliber veteran QB and tremendous skill talent and a top DL.

This dude's talking about fcking Pitt and VT. You don't fire your HC and pay Richt $4M to lose to **** talent like Pitt and VT.
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Why are we talking about firing our coach and replacements.... I smell a troll

Footballhelmet said:
I'll admit I might be too soft on Richt. If he can't turn us into a 2 loss or less team by year 3, he probably deserves to be fired.

But it's hard to get excited about firing him. Because who would his replacement be? Somebody we considered in 2015?

In 2015 the other main 2 head coaching candidates were men who were mediocre when they were former assistants under Larry Coker. One of the guys got Cam Cameroned out of a previous head coaching job after 1 year because he was so awful. He also could not score a single offensive TD when he had an NFL Pro Bowl lineup competiting against 7-4 BC in 2001. And no the TD that Randy Shannon's defense scored does not count to Chud's credit. The other guy is an TE coach who most Alabama fans desperately want Saban to fire. (Pretty much the only thing Bama fans want Saban to do differently.) Furthermore he went 27-47 in the Sun Belt Conference.

The other people rumored were Tommy Tuberville, Lane Kiffin, Charlie Strong and Greg Schiano. It was almost as if being a godawful coach was a requirement to being considered.
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KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
Randy Shannon beat a more talented FSU team, with a very young inexperienced team, that lacked depth, with a young QB in Tallahassee.
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Lol what? Shannons only wins against FSU was 2009 and 2007. They had 7 wins both years.
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1st game of the season Miami was unranked FSU was ranked 18th in the country... They had more depth and more experience at home.

Shannon also beat #14 GT, and #8 Oklahoma... Which those two games were in between a Loss to #11 VT.

The point is Shannon came out on top out of a brutal 4 game stretch as an underdog in every one.
 
Dirty Sprite said:
KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
Randy Shannon beat a more talented FSU team, with a very young inexperienced team, that lacked depth, with a young QB in Tallahassee.
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Lol what? Shannons only wins against FSU was 2009 and 2007. They had 7 wins both years.
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1st game of the season Miami was unranked FSU was ranked 18th in the country... They had more depth and more experience at home.

Shannon also beat #14 GT, and #8 Oklahoma... Which those two games were in between a Loss to #11 VT.

The point is Shannon came out on top out of a brutal 4 game stretch as an underdog in every one.
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Again, that FSU team only won 7 games and even lost to South Florida. Clearly, they weren't great. Oklahoma went 8-5 and we beat them after Sam Bradford got injured for the season. GT was the biggest win and they finished with ten wins. Shannons 9 win season looked promising but was the same as Goldens 9 win season. Just a mirage.
 
KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
Randy Shannon beat a more talented FSU team, with a very young inexperienced team, that lacked depth, with a young QB in Tallahassee.
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Lol what? Shannons only wins against FSU was 2009 and 2007. They had 7 wins both years.
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1st game of the season Miami was unranked FSU was ranked 18th in the country... They had more depth and more experience at home.

Shannon also beat #14 GT, and #8 Oklahoma... Which those two games were in between a Loss to #11 VT.

The point is Shannon came out on top out of a brutal 4 game stretch as an underdog in every one.
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Again, that FSU team only won 7 games and even lost to South Florida. Clearly, they weren't great. Oklahoma went 8-5 and we beat them after Sam Bradford got injured for the season. GT was the biggest win and they finished with ten wins. Shannons 9 win season looked promising but was the same as Goldens 9 win season. Just a mirage.
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Shannon actually did have improvement his first 3 years. Not that it really is a compliment since he started from such a low base in 2007. According to sagarin we were something like 75 nationally in Shannon's first year in 2007. That is far worse than any season under golden. By year 3 in 2009 we were something like 25. Then of course he regressed in 2010 and got fired.

Golden's teams were basically the same all 4 years per sagarin. He was 52 in 2011, 52 again in 2012, 49 in 2013 and 54 in 2014.

Golden's peak season wasn't as good as Shannon's, but he also never had a 2007 like epic disaster. Shannon had a pretty large variance from 25 to 75 while Golden had a very small variance in the 49-55 range.

The only real difference in Golden's 4 years was luck and strength of scuedule. We had bad luck and a decent scuedule in 2011, hence 6-6. We had great luck and an awful scuedule in 2013, hence 9-4. Then the luck went away and the scuedule got tougher in 2014 so we slipped to 6-7. But per sagarin they were also basically the same.
 
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If our o-line is decent I expect us to be an offensive juggaernaut. Kaaya, Coley, & Njoku are legit 1st round talent. Stable of running backs as well.
 
Brian Piccolo said:
Zbrod95 said:
hey, I don't know if you knew but we got 8 wins with a ****ty coaching staff and we're only losing 5 starters from our roster.
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We gave up more points than we scored last year. In other words we overachieved. We won 4 games by one score or less. We won a game on a ridiculous play as time expired.

We were fortunate to be 8-5.

If you think that's a sign that we're going to win 10 games this year then I guess I've proven my point.
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See there you go again, it doesn't matter how many points dorito gave up, in our win column we had 8 wins and you again bring up another pointless stat to try to "disprove" that we're all wrong. On top of that you don't even include that we lost 58-0 to clemson early and 59-21 to UNC late which significantly bumped it in the first place. You're acting like the coastal is the SEC West and teams like UVA, VT, Duke, Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, and GT are filled with this abundance of talent that keep coaches up at night. This may be a little off topic but every year Manny Diaz has started at a new school, their defense improved tremendously from the year before.

Fun Fact: did you know ESPN ranked us 24th in their way-too-early top 25, so what does that tell you about our perceived talent level nationally when writers are willing to name us on a list like that??

I love reading your posts, they constantly provide me with a good laugh. I'll wait for you to break this down into 30 different quotes so the board can see how inept you are.
 
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Dirty Sprite said:
1st game of the season Miami was unranked FSU was ranked 18th in the country...
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Who cares what people 'thought' about those teams? They played the games and Miami was better (9-4) than Florida State (7-6).

I'm always amused when people talk about preseason rankings after the games have actually been played.
 
KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
KevinCaneFace said:
Dirty Sprite said:
Randy Shannon beat a more talented FSU team, with a very young inexperienced team, that lacked depth, with a young QB in Tallahassee.
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Lol what? Shannons only wins against FSU was 2009 and 2007. They had 7 wins both years.
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1st game of the season Miami was unranked FSU was ranked 18th in the country... They had more depth and more experience at home.

Shannon also beat #14 GT, and #8 Oklahoma... Which those two games were in between a Loss to #11 VT.

The point is Shannon came out on top out of a brutal 4 game stretch as an underdog in every one.
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Again, that FSU team only won 7 games and even lost to South Florida. Clearly, they weren't great. Oklahoma went 8-5 and we beat them after Sam Bradford got injured for the season. GT was the biggest win and they finished with ten wins. Shannons 9 win season looked promising but was the same as Goldens 9 win season. Just a mirage.
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Naw that team Miami had that year was pretty good imo, it wasn't a mirage like the 2013 9 win team
 
Zbrod95 said:
See there you go again, it doesn't matter how many points dorito gave up, in our win column we had 8 wins and you again bring up another pointless stat to try to "disprove" that we're all wrong.
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Proving once again that you don't know anything about competitive athletics.

If a football team gives up 5 more points than they scored they will generally win 6 games. We won 8. That's an overachievement. That kind of thing isn't sustainable. It tends to even out over time.

If you think Richt is worth 2 wins then you need to make the adjustment from 6 and not 8.

If the over/under on Miami is 7 or 7.5 then take the over. That's a good bet. But if it's 8.5 or 9 and you take the bet then you're a sucker.
 
Zbrod95 said:
On top of that you don't even include that we lost 58-0 to clemson early and 59-21 to UNC late which significantly bumped it in the first place.
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That's the actual 'point' regarding point differential. When Miami played an elite (or even very good) team they got destroyed. When they played middle of the road teams they won close (Nebraska, Pittsburgh) and even managed to lose by double digits to one (Cincinnati).

The point is that point differential is a much better gauge of true ability than simple win/loss records.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Fun Fact: did you know ESPN ranked us 24th in their way-too-early top 25, so what does that tell you about our perceived talent level nationally when writers are willing to name us on a list like that??
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Talk about irrelevant.

That's the problem. We're 'perceived' to have a lot of talent. By fans. By pundits. By the media.

We're always somebody's sleeper pick. Every year. It's nauseating.

Let me know when we're actually good.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
On top of that you don't even include that we lost 58-0 to clemson early and 59-21 to UNC late which significantly bumped it in the first place.
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And you fail to realize that Bethune-Cookman provides some pull in the other direction.

The bottom line is that these things tend to even out.

If you get blown out by 38+ on two separate occasions and win most of your close games you're probably benefiting from some luck.
 
Just beat FSU once and I'll be happy, however a successful season IMO would be 11-3 with a bowl win and ACCCG appearance.
 
points made on both sides of argument...

Picc...

several here have offered what they believe to be upgrades from last year's campaign...O Scheme, D Scheme, just about every single staff member, organizational design of how team is run, expected QB play, expected DL play, etc...

your posts imply all doom and gloom...

why don't you offer what you think this squad's strengths are? defend your position....
 
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