Alex Grinch- Washington State DC....

[BigDikCane]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

 

[MRICoug]

Well, if you look at where we were last year, and where we are this year....that is all Grinch. I would hazard a guess we will make another leap forward next year as long as Grinch stays. Players love him, high energy guy who is focused on technique. Our DB's last year had no clue how to look for a ball and maintain coverage. I think within a year he will be a sought after coach.

So, you mean people would have to look beyond his current stats to see his impact and ability??

Interesting concept ...

Not sure if some of the "resident genius posters" on this board will be able to do that.

Not a lot of vision to project ... Mostly looking to hire guys from a rear view perspective ...

No, I mean you look at the current stats, and compare them to the crap fest from the year before. Total D is not there, but there is at least a semblance of one now, and the turnovers forced area and points allowed were both way lower than previous DC. Not saying he is ready for Miami, just saying he will be looked at because of the impact he has had in the short time at WSU. He is up for some assistant award as well this year.

 

[The Franchise]

He's still green but shows a lot of promise. Yes, he did a masterful job of improving our d over last year but is he ready for the jump some of you are expressing? No, I really don't believe so. He needs a couple more years of experience and improvement.

The male prostitute looking to hold onto Grinch. Good stuff downplaying him.

 

[MedleyCane]

Well, if you look at where we were last year, and where we are this year....that is all Grinch. I would hazard a guess we will make another leap forward next year as long as Grinch stays. Players love him, high energy guy who is focused on technique. Our DB's last year had no clue how to look for a ball and maintain coverage. I think within a year he will be a sought after coach.

Great and then he can move on to a lower tier program. He has no business being the DC at th University of Miami, whatsoever.

Did Tom Herman have any business being the OC for Urban Meyer?

Or a coach from a lower-level Div1AA program taking over a Pac12 program?

Urban Meyer is an offensive coach. Herman came in the same way that Dorsey would come in under Richt for example.

This guy with his 83rd ranked defense and zero experience would be running the show on his own. There are probably 30 more qualified DCs out there.

I don't advocate hiring Grinch over a few other guys I like a lot better. But Urb is no offensive genius. His offenses have succeeded when he's had top OCs like Mullen and Herman. They've struggled when he hasn't even with great talent.

I'm not even sure Urb ever coordinated an offense before getting the BGSU HC gig. Urb is a genius leader and button pusher. He's no offensive guru.

His biggest strength as a coach has always been identifying and jumping to programs that have talented players on both sides of the ball, who were underachieving a little, with good to great coaches on the defensive side of the ball that he could keep and not worry about staffing.
All he needed to do was pack up his sht and bring 1-2 solid offensive minds to run his offense, plus bring his very good S&C coaches, and that's it!

 

[canesrdynamite]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

I can't stand the guy, but he's fcking 153 and 27 & 9-2 in bowls in 15 yrs as a head coach with 3 ships. Maybe he ain't chit without a good OC, but he **** sure knows how to find one.

 

[The Franchise]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

I can't stand the guy, but he's fcking 153 and 27 & 9-2 in bowls in 15 yrs as a head coach with 3 ships. Maybe he ain't chit without a good OC, but he **** sure knows how to find one.

Awesome HC. No one HS questioned that. Not an offensive guru at all.

 

[MedleyCane]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

I can't stand the guy, but he's fcking 153 and 27 & 9-2 in bowls in 15 yrs as a head coach with 3 ships. Maybe he ain't chit without a good OC, but he **** sure knows how to find one.

No one is disputing this point, which has little to do with the overall discussion.

 

[Canedog]

If you GuYsm want to crown his ***, crown him.

 

[canesrdynamite]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

I can't stand the guy, but he's fcking 153 and 27 & 9-2 in bowls in 15 yrs as a head coach with 3 ships. Maybe he ain't chit without a good OC, but he **** sure knows how to find one.

No one is disputing this point, which has little to do with the overall discussion.

You mean the discussion you started about how Herman had no business being an OC at a big time program, just like Grinch has no business being a DC at a big time program... except for the fact that somebody recognized his talent? My bad.

 

[cougfan99]

No question their defense was improved, beyond what the stats suggest. Against Stanford they looked legitimately tough for most of the game. I think the Cardinal took them a bit lightly.

Still, I wouldn't get carried away. This is where the adjustments tend to fail. The Cougar fans naturally expect the improvement to continue, if not exponentially. But you're still dealing with a head coach who refuses to run the football...last in the nation in rushing attempts per game. That's going to soften your team in general. Plus the Pac 12 has a full offseason to not only take Washington State defense more seriously but to study the tendencies.

Let's face it, many things worked in their favor this year. The defense essentially blew the game against UCLA but did it so early it allowed Falk enough time to counter. The UCLA freshman quarterback waltzed roughly 45 yards for a touchdown but it left a minute remaining. The Rutgers game was similarly fortunate, with several key late penalties against Rutgers including touchdowns called back. Washington State played Oregon at exactly the right time. I wouldn't take those defensive stats seriously. The starting quarterback Vernon Adams was out and the backup was inept. It still required a desperate 10 point comeback in the final 4 minutes including a touchdown with 1 second remaining, before winning in double overtime.

Wsu fans are so sick of the Adams was out crap. Adams still does not play defense and wsu had nearly 700 yards of offense vs Oregon. They won 3 road games in the final minute and that to shows guts and heart.

You have no idea how bad wsu was a year ago on defense, zero! The D coordinator was completely inept, an absolute garbage hire who was also the DB coach. He was fired within minutes of the last game being over. Kids said they did not even know were to line up on defense vs certain formations in that game, my god you realize how screwed up that is.

Also if people think leach refuses to run the ball just keep thinking it(not adding to another thread). Their backs all average over 6 yards per carry. If you put 7 or 8 in coverage like Oregon did falk is gonna change the play every time. They rushed for 196 yards before the stupid college stat rule of taking out sack yards vs the overall total. If you blitz every play like asu does falk is never gonna run it. Leach sends in the play always a pass but the play is almost always changed by falk to put them in the best position to exploit your defenses look. It was proven how good falk is at this when the back up continued to throw into 8 man coverages vs washington. He only changed to a run 9 times, kid is not ready to run this offenses as it is really hard and takes an experienced qb to make it work. Plus wsu short pass game is the 2nd part of the run game. Those 3 backs have nearly 2000 combined yards from scrimmage, the most ever by RB in a leach offense.

 

[MedleyCane]

Urban Myer isn't about chit without a good OC. He's about to have another heart attack after this season

I can't stand the guy, but he's fcking 153 and 27 & 9-2 in bowls in 15 yrs as a head coach with 3 ships. Maybe he ain't chit without a good OC, but he **** sure knows how to find one.

No one is disputing this point, which has little to do with the overall discussion.

You mean the discussion you started about how Herman had no business being an OC at a big time program, just like Grinch has no business being a DC at a big time program... except for the fact that somebody recognized his talent? My bad.

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Where did I make that claim about Herman?
Can you find that post?
I'll wait.

 

[canesrdynamite]

Well, if you look at where we were last year, and where we are this year....that is all Grinch. I would hazard a guess we will make another leap forward next year as long as Grinch stays. Players love him, high energy guy who is focused on technique. Our DB's last year had no clue how to look for a ball and maintain coverage. I think within a year he will be a sought after coach.

Great and then he can move on to a lower tier program. He has no business being the DC at th University of Miami, whatsoever.

Did Tom Herman have any business being the OC for Urban Meyer?

Or a coach from a lower-level Div1AA program taking over a Pac12 program?

ok

i thought that was the discussion you wanted to have, but maybe not. You appear to be on the "they do belong" side of that discussion.

can't say i disagree, which is why i pointed out that urban seems pretty **** good at identifying oc talent.