alex collins vs Duke johnson

[The Franchise]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

 

[The Franchise]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

The only person getting mad is you.

That's because, as he stated himself, he COULD care less.

 

[rudebuddha]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

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THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

The whole team's stats were bad. That K State game and ND game were just one of those days. There are times when it is just not your day, when little mistakes get compounded and then that boulder is just rolling downhill.
As for the "lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8", well, go to the wall and take off your shoe and kick the wall as hard as you can and then tell me how effective you will be walking, and then imagine how well you would play as a high level college running back.
Turf toe is a bad injury for an interior lineman and debilitating for a skill position player.
Everyone seems to forget that Duke was a freshman last year. A teenager. Heck at many times it seemed like our whole offense and defense were teenagers. People got hurt and we just threw out another freshman or sophomore.
Duke is going to go down as the best RB in Miami history stats wise and impact wise.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

 

[FlipT]

These comparisons are unfair because you're basing them on a year not a body of work.I think Cook looks the part, but Sony has been doing it longer. AC is the hot name this year, but Duke was a LEGEND that went to college and showed why he was just that. I feel Sony will come back next year and have a monster senior campaign, while Cook will have to deal with being the new marked man.

 

[The Franchise]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

Homerun backs like Duke often see their ypc go up when give more chances to hit a homerun. Does that make sense to you? Can you see where the more chances he gets the more chances he gets to bust some big ones?

 

[am1640]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

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THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.

Understand??

You DBC types think I'm trying to hate on Duke, I love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

/// this is my "illustration", not what you quoted, and I took away no "big gains"

no one can take you serious because you disrespect other people with the DBC name calling bs just because people aren't crowning a HS JR to be able to do something that you claim Duke can't do. If you watch Duke as much as you claimed you would see the kid is a very tough inside runner and doesn't get run down, his size or speed had nothing to do with his limited yardage in the so called big games. But keep dismissing the kids ability and think some HS JR is better than him. People that have been watching SFL HS alot longer than me call him the second best rb in SFL in the last 25 years for a reason.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

Absolutely I see the "chance" for a "big one" with more carries. problem with that theory is those Ds didn't give up 'big ones' so it likely wasn't coming. Thus my point about more 6-7-8 yard carries aginst those type Ds.

and to the guy who said I disrespected Duke, you couldn't be more wrong, and I assure there are people with more SoFla HS fb knowledge than you and I that think Sony is something special as well.

 

[am1640]

Absolutely I see the "chance" for a "big one" with more carries. problem with that theory is those Ds didn't give up 'big ones' so it likely wasn't coming. Thus my point about more 6-7-8 yard carries aginst those type Ds.

and to the guy who said I disrespected Duke, you couldn't be more wrong.

the kid gets 6-7-8 yard runs. He also gets a ton of carries out of the **** shootgun formation which limits alot of his ability for power type runs because Jed has him moving sideways. Formation can affect a rb ability for positive gains just as much as ability or lack thereof. It would be great to see Duke 7-8 yards deep with Morris under center but that's not the way the game is really played anymore. Go look at some of Lattimores stats againts better teams and see all the 3.0 ypc games he has.

 

[jerzeycane]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

Actually, he had a fairly rough outing against NCSU as well...but as you big up Collins, you are operating with the understanding that everytime he saw Miramar, Jermaine Grace and company shut him down right? So the same things that you are saying about Duke, could be said about Collins, except...no team EVER shut down the Duke in High School.

5 star stud Alex Collins had a career night vs Miramar...career low that is, rushing 4 a whopping 13 yards on 9 carries before leaving the game with a wrist injury. Now Jermaine No-Name Grace of Miramar on the other hand finished with a team leading 8 tackles. Not bad for an average 3 star linebacker.

 

[OBLIVION]

Had we seen the offense that showed up in the 1st, and 4th gtrs vs GT/NCST, and the same one that finished out the final 4 games of the season. During that stretch that you mentioned. You would have seen a better output not only from Duke, but any rb we would have tossed on the field.

Highlighted it for you.

No talk of injuries, just plain and simple facts.

We need every aspect of our offense to function, and execute like it is suppose to for success.

 

[LuCane]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

Starting to wonder if you're related to Sony Michel. I get the "calling it like it is" approach, but you seem to take a swipe at Duke Johnson or any other RB who'll potentially compete with Michel at nearly every opportunity.

 

[jerzeycane]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

Starting to wonder if you're related to Sony Michel. I get the "calling it like it is" approach, but you seem to take a swipe at Duke Johnson or any other RB who'll potentially compete with Michel at nearly every opportunity.

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[The Franchise]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

Starting to wonder if you're related to Sony Michel. I get the "calling it like it is" approach, but you seem to take a swipe at Duke Johnson or any other RB who'll potentially compete with Michel at nearly every opportunity.

All the swipes at Duke are prefaced with "I love Duke..." so we can be certain he loves Duke even though he rips him every chance he gets even when wholly unwarranted.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

I never ripped Duke, and only provided accurate and true #s, again, some are being a bit sensitive IMO, but it's to be understood.

and yes, IMO Sony will be a first round NFL draft pick, and have a Mcgahee type season or two, doesn't mean I don't like Duke as some imply. I just feel Sony is better at the same age, though it's tough to gauge since he plays lesser competition. I have been following him since he led Broward county in rushing as an 8th grader, and will pull for him to be a Cane.

// and lol at anyone using the NC St rushing performance as proof of anything, Morris and the passing game won that game.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

Actually, he had a fairly rough outing against NCSU as well...but as you big up Collins, you are operating with the understanding that everytime he saw Miramar, Jermaine Grace and company shut him down right? So the same things that you are saying about Duke, could be said about Collins, except...no team EVER shut down the Duke in High School.

5 star stud Alex Collins had a career night vs Miramar...career low that is, rushing 4 a whopping 13 yards on 9 carries before leaving the game with a wrist injury. Now Jermaine No-Name Grace of Miramar on the other hand finished with a team leading 8 tackles. Not bad for an average 3 star linebacker.

I never big upped Collins bro

 

[am1640]

and to the guy who said I disrespected Duke, you couldn't be more wrong, and I assure there are people with more SoFla HS fb knowledge than you and I that think Sony is something special as well.

Sony is very special and I've seen him play since lil league back with the SFL Canes, but he's not better than Frank or Duke imo. He obviously still has time to make an argument for himself but I'm going to need him to get his team farther than the second rd of the playoffs. That's what makes Duke so special kid put his team on his back and made them state champs. It's that intangible that rivals/scout/espn/247 can't measure. If Sony is going to be the best player on the field then he needs to start being the best player on the field. It's why Pete changed his tune on the "bionic man" and has made him his new #1 player in SFL. SFL will always have great athletes so being bigger, stronger, faster doesn't make you a legend.

 

[Plzwork4]

No one said it was only injuries. Read the posts, and you'll get educated. Hard to be a terror when you're only getting 6 carries, AND you're dinged up AND you're playing against very good defenses AND your team is down by a large margin and abandoning the running game.

so more carries against those Ds would have led to a higher ypc? UNC and FSU were not blowouts either.....

/// go on, and can you guys explain to my how the turf toe stopped him against those teams, but the next week he could rip off big runs and look just fine? thanks

Sat 10/6 - Notre Dame, Sat 10/13 - UNC, Sat 10/20 FSU...how was he ripping off big runs and looking just fine between those games again? Was he doubling as a CFL player during the week? Flag football? Only K State came separate from those games. You should just stop talking.

 

[jerzeycane]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

Actually, he had a fairly rough outing against NCSU as well...but as you big up Collins, you are operating with the understanding that everytime he saw Miramar, Jermaine Grace and company shut him down right? So the same things that you are saying about Duke, could be said about Collins, except...no team EVER shut down the Duke in High School.

5 star stud Alex Collins had a career night vs Miramar...career low that is, rushing 4 a whopping 13 yards on 9 carries before leaving the game with a wrist injury. Now Jermaine No-Name Grace of Miramar on the other hand finished with a team leading 8 tackles. Not bad for an average 3 star linebacker.

I never big upped Collins bro

BTW, Sony isn't the best RB in his own class

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

Actually, he had a fairly rough outing against NCSU as well...but as you big up Collins, you are operating with the understanding that everytime he saw Miramar, Jermaine Grace and company shut him down right? So the same things that you are saying about Duke, could be said about Collins, except...no team EVER shut down the Duke in High School.

5 star stud Alex Collins had a career night vs Miramar...career low that is, rushing 4 a whopping 13 yards on 9 carries before leaving the game with a wrist injury. Now Jermaine No-Name Grace of Miramar on the other hand finished with a team leading 8 tackles. Not bad for an average 3 star linebacker.

I never big upped Collins bro

BTW, Sony isn't the best RB in his own class

Yep, some people have that opinion. Personally I think he is. I expect him to have a MONSTER Sr season and be the #1 rb in the nation.