alex collins vs Duke johnson

[919Cane2DaGrave]

"Faulk ran a 4.28 forty-yard dash time at the combine and measured 5'10 and 207 pounds. On March 31, 1994, Faulk ran a 4.35 forty-yard time at the San Diego State Pro Day."

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that helped too

Are you implying that Duke is slow? lol

Duke ran a 4.39 as a freshman...He'll probably be running a mid 4.3, if not faster by the time he's ready for the combine.

Been saying it forever, but Duke reminds me of Faulk more than any other RB.

Without question. I made the mistake of saying Reggie Bush in the summer and sometimes during the year, but two of the real glaring differences between Bush and Faulk are first and foremost vision and the other subtlety is that while Bush is a nice mismatch or receiver out of the backfield, Faulk really becomes another WR when you motion him out of the backfield. Dude is the only great RB, with great RB instincts, that could run the entire route tree.

I think Fisch is going to have a whole heap of fun with Duke this year and the different sub packages you can have because of his skill set. I can envision a package with Sandland, Duke, and Collins, that put the defense in a quandary. Base personnel or Nickel? You go nickel and we run it down your throat all game. You go base? Now you have linebackers on Sandland and Duke split out wide.

the thought of that line-up made me pre-jac all over my pants. Dorsett in the slot, Duke out wide...Sandland lined up on the line, collins in the backfield, hurns out wide. Bring Duke in motion pre-snap and run the read option with duke/collins. Oh wait..
its a passing play. Sandland up the seam, dorsett on a corner route and hurns on a cross.
WE SKATE.

 

[DreCooL]

I may get some heat for this, but I think Jordan Scarlett is something special and will be better than Sony and Collins. You all say Sony is the perfect size, but so is Scarlett. It also helps Scarlett grew up a UM fan.

 

[OBLIVION]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

You have to look @ the fact, that in 2 of those games we were out scored 93 to 16. Hard to have great games when your team is taking a beating.

Also, Duke is the kind of back that can be held to nothing for most of the game, but then break **** apart on just 1 run.

Vs BC take away his 54, and 56 yard runs, and he had 5 carries for 25 yards.

Vs VT take away his 65 yard run, and he had 10 carries for 35 yards.

He had 5 runs over 50 yards this past season.

Give the dude the carries he will show results.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

You have to look @ the fact, that in 2 of those games we were out scored 93 to 16. Hard to have great games when your team is taking a beating.

Also, Duke is the kind of back that can be held to nothing for most of the game, but then break **** apart on just 1 run.

Vs BC take away his 54, and 56 yard runs, and he had 5 carries for 25 yards.

Vs VT take away his 65 yard run, and he had 10 carries for 35 yards.

He had 5 runs over 50 yards this past season.

Give the dudes the carries he will show results.

That description sounds like Barry Sanders.

 

[The Franchise]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

You have to look @ the fact, that in 2 of those games we were out scored 93 to 16. Hard to have great games when your team is taking a beating.

Also, Duke is the kind of back that can be held to nothing for most of the game, but then break **** apart on just 1 run.

Vs BC take away his 54, and 56 yard runs, and he had 5 carries for 25 yards.

Vs VT take away his 65 yard run, and he had 10 carries for 35 yards.

He had 5 runs over 50 yards this past season.

Give the dude the carries he will show results.

Excellent points. Not many RBs ripped up ND this year. And when you get behind big, it's tough to commit to and establish a running game. On top of all that, Duke was dinged up pretty badly around the middle of the season when we played those teams.

 

[kev13108]

I think duke Johnson is better, but can u imagine the two-headed monster of duke and Alex Collins. That would be unreal and honestly unfair to the rest of college football!!

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

Good D's do not give up 50+ yard runs. My point I was trying to make is for all his talents I would like to see more 6-7-8 yard carries against the better Ds. 3 ypc is not going to help us beat the better cfb teams, I would say alot of that was our O-Line getting whipped, but if we are going to play for titles, we have to get better and be able to have some success runninf the ball aginst the stout D's.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

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THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.

Understand??

You DBC types think I'm trying to hate on Duke, I love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

/// this is my "illustration", not what you quoted, and I took away no "big gains"

 

[Plzwork4]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

 

[Plzwork4]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

You could visibly see the lack of explosion in his cuts. It may not have been the only reason, but his injury was definitely hampering him. If you don't think turf toe can seriously affect a RBs game I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

You could visibly see the lack of explosion in his cuts. It may not have been the only reason, but his injury was definitely hampering him. If you don't think turf toe can seriously affect a RBs game I don't know what to tell ya.

I do believe it, I know it for a fact, but he didn't have it for all those games, sorry. I think you are taking this the wrong way my man, truth is the better Ds shut him down completely, but I give up......

 

[Plzwork4]

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

You could visibly see the lack of explosion in his cuts. It may not have been the only reason, but his injury was definitely hampering him. If you don't think turf toe can seriously affect a RBs game I don't know what to tell ya.

I do believe it, i know it for a fact, but he didn't have it for all those games, sorry. I think you are taking this the wrong way my man, truth is the better Ds shut him down completely, but I give up......

Yes please give up. You cannot just come up with a blanket statement like that when there are other circumstances to factor in. Even if it affected him for half the games...wouldn't that change his statline? You wouldn't be saying he was completely shut down...we might be saying Duke had a letdown in a game or 2 instead.

 

[OBLIVION]

Good D's do not give up 50+ yard runs. My point I was trying to make is for all his talents I would like to see more 6-7-8 yard carries against the better Ds. 3 ypc is not going to help us beat the better cfb teams, I would say alot of that was our O-Line getting whipped, but if we are going to play for titles, we have to get better and be able to have some success runninf the ball aginst the stout D's.

Had we seen the offense that showed up in the 1st, and 4th gtrs vs GT/NCST, and the same one that finished out the final 4 games of the season. During that stretch that you mentioned. You would have seen a better output not only from Duke, but any rb we would have tossed on the field.

The guy had 6, 8, 9 carry games vs KSU, ND, and FSU. Not a lot to work with right there. Plus like i stated above being out scored 93-16 in 2 of those means our offense was doing nobody any favors.

Duke needs to have big games vs these opp, but he also needs this offense to function like it is suppose too, and more opportunities.

 

[Sacks]

websters,

Duke had turf-toe AND a sprained ankle during the middle of the year. He was not used as much against K-state because we were down big by the second quarter. He only had 6 carries.

 

[The Franchise]

My only concern with Duke was he had 38 carries for 115 yards against FSU/UNC/K-St and ND. Obviously those are tough teams, but 3.0 ypc won't get us to where we all want to be. He was a true freshman, so the sky is the limit.

^^^^^
THIS is what I was referring to. His stats in 4 of our losses against better Ds.
Understand?? You fools think i'm trying to hate on Duke, In love the kid and his ability. I'm trying to point out where the team needs to improve to compete for Championships

He was dealing with turf toe...also his OL gave him nothing to work with. Duke has shown that he doesn't need much space to make things work.

lol, ok he had turf toe from game 2 to game 8......... Like I said, some of you don't grasp the point, but I act suprised.


// truth is the better Ds shut him down, to compete with these teams we have to be more effective running the ball, that's not all on Duke, it's on the entire team. I called out the O-line in an earlier post btw.

Turf toe can last a lot longer than 5 games.

 

[The Franchise]

websters,

Duke had turf-toe AND a sprained ankle during the middle of the year. He was not used as much against K-state because we were down big by the second quarter. He only had 6 carries.

He should have beaten KSU by himself on those 6 carries.

 

[OBLIVION]

KSU was beating us 24 to 3 @ the 6 min point in the 2nd qtr. Duke had 3 carries @ this point.

Even before ND blew the frame of our team after halftime. Duke only had 4 carries in the 1st half.

They shut him down, due to them beating our offense and defense into submission.

I could see if the dude had 20 carries for 50 yards, but that isn't the case.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

 

[Plzwork4]

He had turf toe and that’s why we he couldn’t produce anything? It had nothing to do with the fact that the K-St, FSU, UNC and FSU defenses were good, it was turf toe? It’s funny that the weeks between those games he looked just fine, ripped off long runs, hmmm, guess it felt better those weeks? lol

You guys are fools if you don’t realize that as great as Duke is this team/running game/backs are not yet good enough to produce against the better Ds’ To win titles this will have to improve, but get mad, I really could care less

The only person getting mad is you.