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Al Golden - What Went Wrong?

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GojiraCane said:
I'll respectfully disagree on that.

Randy Shannon - Left the program inbalanced. The majority of the best talent entering the 2011 season were 3rd and 4th year players. His final class was down to two players when he was fired. Recruiting had become a disaster. There was no nutrition program under Shannon, and players consistently got worse the longer they played at Miami under him. As an aside, he also had absolutely no emotion on the sideline and the team began to take on those trademarks.

Al Golden - The team that he left Richt had much less depth, but talent was relatively balanced across 1st to 4th year players. He got the nutrition program approved, so there's that. And unless I'm wrong, I'd say relationships with HS coaches were improved and recruiting turned up quite a bit compared to Shannon.

That's not to excuse what went wrong under Golden's tenure, but I think that the program was left in a really bad place under Shannon. It would have taken a Saban or Meyer type of effort to quickly pull the Hurricanes out of the hole that Shannon's tenure dug for the program. Miami's reputation was worse after Golden, but paradoxically the foundations of the program and infastructure seemed a bit stronger for the next coach.
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I'd say all of this is spot on. Good analysis!
 
1) It's not just that the D scheme didn't work, it's the mentality of playing that scheme while it wasn't working. Players give up. See Miami offense: 2018.

2) As stated elsewhere, Golden was a fraud and everyone was buying it. I remember Herbstreit even saying something along the lines of Golden "turning Miami into a monster."

3) He was a terrible culture fit for the city and the program.

4) Everyone hated Onofrio. Forget about his awful coaching. He was by all accounts a miserable prick.

5) The tie. Ugh, the tie. He was trying to make us look more like Duke than Miami.
 
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The lasting legacy of Mark Richts short time as head coach is that he showed us that there can be life after the Orange Bowl. Sounds silly and cliche but its true. Our program has been reeling since the fall of the O B.

For two weeks in 2017 (Va Tech and Notre Dame) UM fans saw Hard Rock stadium have that old Orange Bowl vibe where elite teams would come out of the tunnel and know they were in trouble. Notre Dame is the purest example possible.

Sadly, Richt was not the man to return UM to elite glory but he definitely elevated the program back to where we had the market value necessary to go to the next step.
 
GojiraCane said:
I'll respectfully disagree on that.

Randy Shannon - Left the program inbalanced. The majority of the best talent entering the 2011 season were 3rd and 4th year players. His final class was down to two players when he was fired. Recruiting had become a disaster. There was no nutrition program under Shannon, and players consistently got worse the longer they played at Miami under him. As an aside, he also had absolutely no emotion on the sideline and the team began to take on those trademarks.

Al Golden - The team that he left Richt had much less depth, but talent was relatively balanced across 1st to 4th year players. He got the nutrition program approved, so there's that. And unless I'm wrong, I'd say relationships with HS coaches were improved and recruiting turned up quite a bit compared to Shannon.

That's not to excuse what went wrong under Golden's tenure, but I think that the program was left in a really bad place under Shannon. It would have taken a Saban or Meyer type of effort to quickly pull the Hurricanes out of the hole that Shannon's tenure dug for the program. Miami's reputation was worse after Golden, but paradoxically the foundations of the program and infastructure seemed a bit stronger for the next coach.
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We’re talking about Golden not Shannon and a poster said Richt left the place better, he didn’t.
 
the "cultural fit" is BS and our fanbase actually believes that. look what Dan Mullen did with "florida kids" . he's a great coach.

our fanbase is obsessed with democrat buzzwords like "Savage" and are all about twitter memes.

smh
 
GojiraCane said:
I'm posting this as a thought occurred to me while listening to the Insights podcast where they discussed Manny's hiring; during the podcast they said that Richt had left the program in much better shape and that under Golden so much was going wrong. So my thought - my question - was simply this...has anyone ever posted a detailed insider account of what went awry during the Golden tenure?

Obviously the defensive scheme was a liability, and served to negate the traditional advantages that Miami has enjoyed. Golden's stubborness in sticking with this scheme ultimately proved his downfall, and this is well known. But aside from this, what were the other underlying problems mentioned in the podcast?

Outside of the defense criticisms, these are the only other details that I've ever heard:
- Duke Johnson's mother saying on 12/29/2014 that the majority of the team would transfer if there was no penalty
- Jonathan Feliciano stating in 2016 that Golden made Stephen Morris play with an injured ankle in the 2013 season (even though 5 star transfer Heaps was available). Also that Golden had a degree in psychology and used it on the players, making Chickillo put on 60 lbs, and that the only reason that he played Kayaa in 2014 as a true freshman was that he was concerned with keeping his job

For those more in the know, what other core issues were there that made the Golden regime so wrong (as mentioned in the podcast)?
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Golden sucked but Heaps was not on the team in 2013. Ryan Williams was the backup. Heaps came in 2014
 
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D'No, and the D philosophy he represents, almost 100%.

Manolo as DC w/ Al Golden as HC...several ACCCG appearances.

I'm not saying natty, but I'd wager he is still HC today w/ Diaz and his D philosophy.
 
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