Al Golden Understands the Importance of Stability

[LA\^/]

For once we have a coach that isn't willing to let go of his coordinators the minute things seem bad. The past 10+ years the instability here has been horrendous because we had moronic coaches that listened to everything the media and fans had to say, who don't know anything about coaching nor our philosophy. I respect the fact Golden is trying his hardest to right this ship and has enough confidence in himself and his staff that will keep us going in the right direction. Having stability will allow our players to feel more and more comfortable in our system as the years go on. Right now we have seniors (who are mostly garbage to begin with) that understand the philosophy just as much as our sophomores, that's a big problem. Eventually we won't have to depend on 75% of players who don't fully grasp the system because they're too young.

Must of you don't understand we are still in the beginning stages of being "back". Al Golden has alluded to that like 50 times this year. Al Golden had to rebuild our program from the ground up after the mess Shannon left behind and then to compound that he had to deal with the NCAA. As a team, we've endure a lot and the fact after JUST 3 years we're going for double digit wins is impressive. It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

Right now isn't the time to start firing anyone. You guys can't say we are underachieving because whether you want to admit it or not, we only have a handful of talented players on this team atm. When we have a team loaded with talent and consistently underachieve like FSU has the past 3-4 years, then it's time to fire people. But right now, there's no point. All it's gonna do is set us back once again.

 

[OBLIVION]

 

[NVA CANE]

For once we have a coach that isn't willing to let go of his coordinators the minute things seem bad. The past 10+ years the instability here has been horrendous because we had moronic coaches that listened to everything the media and fans had to say, who don't know anything about coaching nor our philosophy. I respect the fact Golden is trying his hardest to right this ship and has enough confidence in himself and his staff that will keep us going in the right direction. Having stability will allow our players to feel more and more comfortable in our system as the years go on. Right now we have seniors (who are mostly garbage to begin with) that understand the philosophy just as much as our sophomores, that's a big problem. Eventually we won't have to depend on 75% of players who don't fully grasp the system because they're too young.

Must of you don't understand we are still in the beginning stages of being "back". Al Golden has alluded to that like 50 times this year. Al Golden had to rebuild our program from the ground up after the mess Shannon left behind and then to compound that he had to deal with the NCAA. As a team, we've endure a lot and the fact after JUST 3 years we're going for double digit wins is impressive. It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

Right now isn't the time to start firing anyone. You guys can't say we are underachieving because whether you want to admit it or not, we only have a handful of talented players on this team atm. When we have a team loaded with talent and consistently underachieve like FSU has the past 3-4 years, then it's time to fire people. But right now, there's no point. All it's gonna do is set us back once again.

 

[ball915]

Stability is only good when the surrounding staff is worth a lick. So far, Scott, Brown and Williams are the only certain ones worth endorsing. 3 out of 9 is nothing to write home about by any means

 

[BlackKeysFan]

We don't rely at all whatsoever on a single freshman on Defense. Sure, Burns AQM and Figs play but thats it and they play in spots. There is plenty of experience and talent on the defense not to be 109th in the country during ACC play. Guys like Cornelius, Gaines, Green, **** even Cain would start on half of the teams in the ACC at least. I don't think you need 11 elite guys to cover the flats, but I didn't go to coaching college so maybe im just misinformed. To the naked eye, there are some things we do that are stupid. We have consistently put LB's on slot recievers rather than play nickel packages. We continue to put poor Shayon in coverage. We continue to play 30 who is trying his hardest but is a big liability out there. We have had a pretty considerable amount of trouble just getting lined up in several games this year. We never have more than 2 freshman on the field at the same time and all 3 of them are immense talents so thats not an excuse.

We have some jags, but Wake Forest is a team full of Jags and they did whatever they wanted to us. There are systemic issues. Maybe we finish strong and alleviate some of these concerns but I haven't seen us play a good game yet this season and I think there is a lot of validity to the schematic concerns on D. I also am having trouble understanding why sometimes the O-line doesn't show up and sometimes it does.

I'm still happy with the progress of the program and definitely optimistic moving forward but I don't think theres a lot of credence anymore to the people saying give coach D time. I think he has had plenty of time to not be awful.

 

[NVA CANE]

I'll just leave this here so OP can let it marinate for a little

From Feldman's new column....

•I realize the Miami D is not very good, but give credit to Logan Thomas and the Hokies for an inspired effort in a rainy road win after consecutive losses against unranked opponents. Thomas had his best game of the season and maybe his career, completing 81 percent of his passes (25 of 31) for 366 yards and no picks. He also ran for 42 yards in 42-24 win. Tech was a sterling 8 of 14 on third-down conversions and rolled up a season-high 549 yards.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

 

[LA\^/]

It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

lol

What's wrong with what i said? I'm talking of in terms of getting to double digit wins. Al Golden has the opportunity to win 10 maybe even 11 games in his 3rd year.

Butch Davis accomplished that in his 5th and final year in 2000.

I know Butch also had to endure being under probation and all, but it's incomparable to what Al Golden had to go through.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

Butch Davis dealt with crippling sanctions that took 30 scholarships from him. Al will never have to rely on walk ons. Never.

 

[LA\^/]

Butch Davis dealt with crippling sanctions that took 30 scholarships from him. Al will never have to rely on walk ons. Never.

That's true...

But Al did face a lot of negative recruiting for 3 years, preventing him from getting many of his targets. Honestly, i don't think i have to explain what Al has gone through, we all know.

I admit, saying Butch hasn't gone through HALF of what Golden has gone through was excessive, but imo Golden has had to endure more.

 

[NVA CANE]

It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

lol

What's wrong with what i said? I'm talking of in terms of getting to double digit wins. Al Golden has the opportunity to win 10 maybe even 11 games in his 3rd year.

Butch Davis accomplished that in his 5th and final year in 2000.

I know Butch also had to endure being under probation and all, but it's incomparable to what Al Golden had to go through.

Butch davis didn't go out seeking the easiest schedule humanly possible. I'm sure he would have killed to play FAU, SSU, USF, Wake, UVA, GT (with Paul Johnson in charge), Duke and Pitt.

LOL at that schedule. I didn't even include a terrible VT team and a bad UNC team or a down UF team. If you can't get to ten wins with that schedule I don't know what to tell you.

 

[frostycane]

However, Butch was able to use kids on academic scholarships and track scholarships. Now, the rule has been changed, if you play football its a football scholarship. The recruiting game was TOTALLY different ten years ago as well. However, that is no excuse for continuing to lose the same type of games where mediocre QBs look like stars....

 

[mdnole]

For once we have a coach that isn't willing to let go of his coordinators the minute things seem bad. The past 10+ years the instability here has been horrendous because we had moronic coaches that listened to everything the media and fans had to say, who don't know anything about coaching nor our philosophy. I respect the fact Golden is trying his hardest to right this ship and has enough confidence in himself and his staff that will keep us going in the right direction. Having stability will allow our players to feel more and more comfortable in our system as the years go on. Right now we have seniors (who are mostly garbage to begin with) that understand the philosophy just as much as our sophomores, that's a big problem. Eventually we won't have to depend on 75% of players who don't fully grasp the system because they're too young.

Must of you don't understand we are still in the beginning stages of being "back". Al Golden has alluded to that like 50 times this year. Al Golden had to rebuild our program from the ground up after the mess Shannon left behind and then to compound that he had to deal with the NCAA. As a team, we've endure a lot and the fact after JUST 3 years we're going for double digit wins is impressive. It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

Right now isn't the time to start firing anyone. You guys can't say we are underachieving because whether you want to admit it or not, we only have a handful of talented players on this team atm. When we have a team loaded with talent and consistently underachieve like FSU has the past 3-4 years, then it's time to fire people. But right now, there's no point. All it's gonna do is set us back once again.

If, by stability, you mean mediocrity, then you are exactly right. Otherwise, no.

 

[bozcane]

I'll just leave this here so OP can let it marinate for a little

From Feldman's new column....

•I realize the Miami D is not very good, but give credit to Logan Thomas and the Hokies for an inspired effort in a rainy road win after consecutive losses against unranked opponents. Thomas had his best game of the season and maybe his career, completing 81 percent of his passes (25 of 31) for 366 yards and no picks. He also ran for 42 yards in 42-24 win. Tech was a sterling 8 of 14 on third-down conversions and rolled up a season-high 549 yards.

And Miami made it happen.

 

[Gatorhater]

For once we have a coach that isn't willing to let go of his coordinators the minute things seem bad. The past 10+ years the instability here has been horrendous because we had moronic coaches that listened to everything the media and fans had to say, who don't know anything about coaching nor our philosophy. I respect the fact Golden is trying his hardest to right this ship and has enough confidence in himself and his staff that will keep us going in the right direction. Having stability will allow our players to feel more and more comfortable in our system as the years go on. Right now we have seniors (who are mostly garbage to begin with) that understand the philosophy just as much as our sophomores, that's a big problem. Eventually we won't have to depend on 75% of players who don't fully grasp the system because they're too young.

Must of you don't understand we are still in the beginning stages of being "back". Al Golden has alluded to that like 50 times this year. Al Golden had to rebuild our program from the ground up after the mess Shannon left behind and then to compound that he had to deal with the NCAA. As a team, we've endure a lot and the fact after JUST 3 years we're going for double digit wins is impressive. It took the great Butch Davis 5 years to get to that point and he didn't have to deal with half the **** Golden has.

Right now isn't the time to start firing anyone. You guys can't say we are underachieving because whether you want to admit it or not, we only have a handful of talented players on this team atm. When we have a team loaded with talent and consistently underachieve like FSU has the past 3-4 years, then it's time to fire people. But right now, there's no point. All it's gonna do is set us back once again.

Yeah, yeah, but why do we still not know how to tackle? I don't know carp about coaching and clearly the prgram was and still is in a mess. Much appears to have improved and all credit to Al for it. I can understand some disfunction in the offense because of new OC, hurt QB, .... but why can't our players on defense tackle? System, coverages, missed assignments, keep it in front of us, all that is fine. But when the rubber finally hits the road, defense is about taking your body and applying it with force to the other dude's. Three years and we do not tackle any better than under Randy and that SUCKED. Position and assignment, I get that stuff, but when the other dude is within reach and us just end up waving goodbye to him as you eat grass, that is frigging unaccecptable. I firmly believe these kids knew how to tackle when they got here. What went wrong? I can live with fumbles, mistakes, blow coverages, and a lot of other stuff, but not tackling will always make you lose, always. We all KNOW Mike Barrow knows how to tackle, we watched him level people for years. So at least one coach knows what to do, can any of them teach it, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cubin10]

One of the reasons we never get off the field on third down, tackling is fundamentals without them you have little chance to be successful.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

"we have a coach that isn't willing to let go of his coordinators the minute things seem bad."

This isn't the minute things seem bad. Our defense has sucked for the better part of three years and has shown no improvement. You can say it's lack of talent, but there are less talented teams that have stopped Vag Tech's terrible offense with the star special olympian at QB.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

I have never seen so many guys running free through a college secondary as I saw on Saturday night. Every time they ran a drag route or put a receiver in the flat, there was not a defender within 15 yards of the receiver. I refuse to believe that is the players' fault. I made excuses for this crap defense for three seasons now, but it is obviously no longer the kids. Please don't tell me that it's a great scheme and the kids just don't know how to run it. It can be the greatest scheme ever devised, but if your players can not run it, and are getting torched by bad offensive teams, then the scheme is crap.

 

[The Franchise]

Stability is retarded when the stability is consistently getting your *** kicked six way to Sunday. Who wants that sort of stability?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Stability for the sake of stability is awful. It was an argument made by many during the Coker and Shannon reign of terror years.

If a coach sucks, he has to go. If you can replace him with a better one, there's no point in leaving on a guy whose unit is awful just to say you have continuity on the staff.