Al Golden is back lol

I feel like our admin uses that as a crutch and an excuse.

UM has one of the most recognizable brands in college sports. We're the only major college football team on the east coast that's located smack in the middle of a major sports market.

If we don't have money, then we're being mismanaged.

And I feel that those of us who DO spend money on the program and who DO donate are well-served by expecting more from the admin in terms of reinvesting and spending on the program. We can't do much as fans, but if we can pressure the admin to spend a little more on coaches, then that's one positive impact we can have on our winning chances.

Giving the admin a pass by saying "we don't have any money" is a cop out, IMO.

Stating facts is not giving a pass. I’m of the opinion we could have funded the program more creatively in the past. But you can’t spend money that’s not there, and we’re always going to be an also ran when it comes to the top schools, since we’re sitting somewhere outside the top 20 schools for total athletic revenue + donations. To be brutally honest.

And if you don’t think this train runs on money, you’re not thinking properly.

It doesn’t excuse poor performance or bad hires. But this information adds context to the competitive environment in which college football operates.

You may not like it, but our revenue plus donations is nowhere near the top schools. It’s been discussed here ad nauseaum.

As far as our administration using our status as a lower tier earner as a “crutch or an excuse”, I’ve never seen a quote to that effect. Maybe you can find me one.
 
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This is why we don’t have an OC.
All you people saying we can get so and so for x dollars have to understand how cheap this school is. 150k for a head coach!!!!’ Now we know why we lost to FSU for years. How fugging easy it is to recruit for um now!!! Hey you know Golden was getting 150k right? You know they can’t wven afford an OC right. You know manny is gonna get poached by someone right. I mean they couldn’t afford kool as a line coach what makes you think they can keep the dc of the number one defense in the country?
The hits keep on coming!!

First of all you’re complaining Golden was underpaid? Slap yourself.

Second of all, there’s a ton of contracts where the base salary is low, but total compensation is much higher. You do know Gorilden’s total compensation was around $2 million per year by the time he left, and he never made under $1.7-$1.8 million per year.

I know you couldn’t have such a simplistic empty headed opinion that he was making $150k per year. It’s not possible for someone to be that dumb, and I don’t think you are.

And at about $2 million a year, that tub of goo was overpaid by about $1.9 million per year.
 
First of all you’re complaining Golden was underpaid? Slap yourself.

Second of all, there’s a ton of contracts where the base salary is low, but total compensation is much higher. You do know Gorilden’s total compensation was around $2 million per year by the time he left, and he never made under $1.7-$1.8 million per year.

I know you couldn’t have such a simplistic empty headed opinion that he was making $150k per year. It’s not possible for someone to be that dumb, and I don’t think you are.

And at about $2 million a year, that tub of goo was overpaid by about $1.9 million per year.
First of all you’re complaining Golden was underpaid? Slap yourself.

Second of all, there’s a ton of contracts where the base salary is low, but total compensation is much higher. You do know Gorilden’s total compensation was around $2 million per year by the time he left, and he never made under $1.7-$1.8 million per year.

I know you couldn’t have such a simplistic empty headed opinion that he was making $150k per year. It’s not possible for someone to be that dumb, and I don’t think you are.

And at about $2 million a year, that tub of goo was overpaid by about $1.9 million per year.
Me right about now
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The U should counterclaim for fraud in the inducement. Golden misrepresented that he was a head coach (quoted from a colleague of mine).
 
Stating facts is not giving a pass. I’m of the opinion we could have funded the program more creatively in the past. But you can’t spend money that’s not there, and we’re always going to be an also ran when it comes to the top schools, since we’re sitting somewhere outside the top 20 schools for total athletic revenue + donations. To be brutally honest.

And if you don’t think this train runs on money, you’re not thinking properly.

It doesn’t excuse poor performance or bad hires. But this information adds context to the competitive environment in which college football operates.

You may not like it, but our revenue plus donations is nowhere near the top schools. It’s been discussed here ad nauseaum.

As far as our administration using our status as a lower tier earner as a “crutch or an excuse”, I’ve never seen a quote to that effect. Maybe you can find me one.

You have a good point, actually - I can't recall our admin ever using our supposed lack of money as an excuse. Good catch.

And of course the train runs on money. Everything runs on money. But I said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't understand how a huge brand such as Miami can do such a poor job of generating revenue, when we are the only major university on the east coast located in a major sports market. It just makes no sense, and it screams of poor management.

I get, from your response, that donations are a big part of the equation. And I'll concede that as a smaller university, we're working with a smaller potential donor pool. But the University of Miami is actually very good at raising capital when they try.

More importantly, there is nothing written in stone that says donations need to be the key to revenue generation. The Miami Dolphins receive zero donations, and have net stadium revenues of over $400 million. The Miami Marlins get zero donations, and have stadium revenues of over $200 million. Even the Florida Panthers, who also get zero donations, have stadium revenues of over $100 million. On top of that, these teams make a fortune in other areas, such as advertising, and licensing.

College Football is the 2nd most popular sport in America, behind only the NFL. So if all of these Miami sports teams are making money without donations, and if college football is so popular, how are we not making more money?

I happen to believe that the Miami Hurricanes have a strong enough presence in South Florida to pull in slightly more than the Marlins, and slightly less than the Dolphins. But that can only happen if they're managed well. I would be disappointed if Miami were making any less than $200 million per year, given the market.

For reference, the University of Alabama's TOTAL revenue is $170 million, which includes stadium revenue, donations, conference subsidies, and licencing. As popular as they are, there is a good reason no professional sports teams have decided to set up shop in Tuscaloosa.

Miami has so many natural advantages just due to location, it's a crime if we aren't taking full advantage.

Just my opinion.
 
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Al couldn't just fade into obscurity, could he. If he would have won close to anything here, he might have made that 3mil up in a few years. Litigation is easier than winning.
 
I feel like our admin uses that as a crutch and an excuse.

UM has one of the most recognizable brands in college sports. We're the only major college football team on the east coast that's located smack in the middle of a major sports market.

If we don't have money, then we're being mismanaged.

And I feel that those of us who DO spend money on the program and who DO donate are well-served by expecting more from the admin in terms of reinvesting and spending on the program. We can't do much as fans, but if we can pressure the admin to spend a little more on coaches, then that's one positive impact we can have on our winning chances.

Giving the admin a pass by saying "we don't have any money" is a cop out, IMO.

Have you ever thought about the size of UMs alumni base versus top football schools? The internet says Miami has "more than 181,531 living alumni." Meanwhile, "Currently, there are nearly 500,000 living Ohio State graduates worldwide and more than 285,000 graduates of Ohio State living in Ohio." And that doesn't even touch on the history that schools like that have in their state. You're lying to yourself if you think that a "national brand" is worth as much as 75% of a state's top earners having gone to your school. People in Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Ohio haven't just grown up watching their team, they're the 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation to do so.

There literally is no way we can compete on that level. Can we do better? Absolutely, but we aren't going to get there. Texas had "nearly $215 million in annual operating revenue" last year. That means that every single UM alum needs to give $1000 every year, then the school needs to find another $34 million per year and we're in business.

Now go ahead and explain to me how Miami could have access to $215 million if they would just manage things right.
 
Have you ever thought about the size of UMs alumni base versus top football schools? The internet says Miami has "more than 181,531 living alumni." Meanwhile, "Currently, there are nearly 500,000 living Ohio State graduates worldwide and more than 285,000 graduates of Ohio State living in Ohio." And that doesn't even touch on the history that schools like that have in their state. You're lying to yourself if you think that a "national brand" is worth as much as 75% of a state's top earners having gone to your school. People in Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Ohio haven't just grown up watching their team, they're the 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation to do so.

There literally is no way we can compete on that level. Can we do better? Absolutely, but we aren't going to get there. Texas had "nearly $215 million in annual operating revenue" last year. That means that every single UM alum needs to give $1000 every year, then the school needs to find another $34 million per year and we're in business.

Now go ahead and explain to me how Miami could have access to $215 million if they would just manage things right.


I would tell you the same thing I said to OriginalCanesCanesCanes.

There is nothing written in stone that says donations need to be the key to revenue generation. For exactly the reasons you've stated, that revenue model doesn't make sense for the Hurricanes.

The Miami Dolphins receive zero donations, and have net stadium revenues of over $400 million. The Miami Marlins get zero donations, and have stadium revenues of over $200 million. Even the Florida Panthers, who also get zero donations, have stadium revenues of over $100 million. On top of that, these teams make a fortune in other areas, such as advertising, and licensing.

College Football is the 2nd most popular sport in America, behind only the NFL. So if all of these Miami sports teams are making money without donations, and if college football is so popular, how are we not making more money?

Again, we are the only major college football team on the east coast located in a major sports market. That is a huge financial advantage.

I happen to believe that the Miami Hurricanes have a strong enough presence in South Florida to pull in slightly more than the Marlins, and slightly less than the Dolphins. Do you disagree?

I would be disappointed if Miami were making any less than $200 million per year, given the market.

Miami has so many natural advantages just due to location, it's a crime if we aren't taking full advantage.

Maybe the problem is that they are trying to run it in the same way as the large public universities located in small towns do. For them, the donations model makes more sense given their large alumni bases and small regional markets.

We should be running our football program more like a professional sports team. With professional managers, and operationally separate from the larger university.
 
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You have a good point, actually - I can't recall our admin ever using our supposed lack of money as an excuse. Good catch.

And of course the train runs on money. Everything runs on money. But I said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't understand how a huge brand such as Miami can do such a poor job of generating revenue, when we are the only major university on the east coast located in a major sports market. It just makes no sense, and it screams of poor management.

I get, from your response, that donations are a big part of the equation. And I'll concede that as a smaller university, we're working with a smaller potential donor pool. But the University of Miami is actually very good at raising capital when they try.

More importantly, there is nothing written in stone that says donations need to be the key to revenue generation. The Miami Dolphins receive zero donations, and have net stadium revenues of over $400 million. The Miami Marlins get zero donations, and have stadium revenues of over $200 million. Even the Florida Panthers, who also get zero donations, have stadium revenues of over $100 million. On top of that, these teams make a fortune in other areas, such as advertising, and licensing.

College Football is the 2nd most popular sport in America, behind only the NFL. So if all of these Miami sports teams are making money without donations, and if college football is so popular, how are we not making more money?

I happen to believe that the Miami Hurricanes have a strong enough presence in South Florida to pull in slightly more than the Marlins, and slightly less than the Dolphins. But that can only happen if they're managed well. I would be disappointed if Miami were making any less than $200 million per year, given the market.

For reference, the University of Alabama's TOTAL revenue is $170 million, which includes stadium revenue, donations, conference subsidies, and licencing. As popular as they are, there is a good reason no professional sports teams have decided to set up shop in Tuscaloosa.

Miami has so many natural advantages just due to location, it's a crime if we aren't taking full advantage.

Just my opinion.


I appreciate your response, but there’s several items I disagree with. Just too late and don’t have the time to go over all of it. Later, when I have the time and inclination. I’ll just add quickly that comparing a college program to an NFL program is just apples and oranges in so many ways. The only reasonable and logical comparison is to other colleges, it’s just a nonstarter.
 
So Folden is suing Maimi for 3 million and yall trust to lol & dog Mario? Remember when yall was doggin Shannon for suing for his final 25k?
 
I say praise Mr Golden master psychologist, he’s just trying to unite our fan base once again. It’s no coincidence this comes out after his travels down here the past week. He saw first hand how divided we were, to the point people were praising aspects of his own administration and he said I’ve had enough. I must get back in the spotlight so people remember 58-0, the tie, the 4-5 stars playing like 2 stars, the hair, 41-3 vs Nd. He’s doing this for us guys, for us.
 
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alright gents. here's the initial contract and the three amendments.

also attached is the complaint. it is curious that the complaint does not identify how UM breached the contract, what exact provisions it breached, what moneys it did not pay. it just says in general terms that UM breached by not paying what it owed Golden. I'll leave to the litigators why the vagueness and failure to specify.
 

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alright gents. here's the initial contract and the three amendments.

also attached is the complaint. it is curious that the complaint does not identify how UM breached the contract, what exact provisions it breached, what moneys it did not pay. it just says in general terms that UM breached by not paying what it owed Golden. I'll leave to the litigators why the vagueness and failure to specify.
guess that is why he was canned in 2015, he missed his 1.275 mil bonus by less than 4 months
 
Probably suing the for the bowl game bonuses and ACC championship finishes. Will argue since school was placed on sanctions he missed out on those bonuses
 
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