Additional ICs on the horizon??????

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A compromise is finally emerging among a group of proposals. Under the plan, schools can sign 25 new players while gaining additional signee spots for every player who transfers out of their program—up to a certain limit. The extra spots would be based on the number of players who enter the transfer portal under their own volition and would be capped at a figure, such as seven.

NCAA officials are moving closer to an immediate expansion of the annual 25-person signing limit as a way for coaches to replace players they’ve lost to the burgeoning transfer portal. The NCAA Division I Football Oversight Committee is finalizing a proposal that would change the signing limit this cycle in what’s being described as a one-year waiver of relief until a permanent policy is created.
 
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Other possibilities:

For instance, a school that loses five players to the portal can sign 30 new players. A school that loses 10 players to the portal can sign 32 new signees, if the cap were seven. The replacement cap has not been finalized.

In fact, other proposals are being discussed as well, including one that simply increases the total signees to 30, 32 or 35. Another proposal, still being vetted, would require a school to use its 25 spots on high school players and would give a school an additional five to seven spots for transfers.
 
“We want to maintain the ability to recruit high school players,” says Todd Berry, the executive director of the American Football Coaches Association. “If we don’t have any corrective legislation, people aren’t going to do that. We’re trying to maintain high school recruitment and make sure universities hard hit by losses to the transfer portal are O.K.”
 






A compromise is finally emerging among a group of proposals. Under the plan, schools can sign 25 new players while gaining additional signee spots for every player who transfers out of their program—up to a certain limit. The extra spots would be based on the number of players who enter the transfer portal under their own volition and would be capped at a figure, such as seven.

NCAA officials are moving closer to an immediate expansion of the annual 25-person signing limit as a way for coaches to replace players they’ve lost to the burgeoning transfer portal. The NCAA Division I Football Oversight Committee is finalizing a proposal that would change the signing limit this cycle in what’s being described as a one-year waiver of relief until a permanent policy is created.

NOT GOOD for anyone not named Alabama Crimson Tide if Saban can manipulate the gains/losses.

This will enable elite teams to stockpile away more talent, if for nothing else, to deny a rival having said player on roster.

Is what it is, but this legitimizes Saban's mastery of Grey/Blue shirt.

Perhaps a better way is given year class size is only limited by overall roster topline figure and not constrained to each specific year.

This👇

"... Another proposal, still being vetted, would require a school to use its 25 spots on high school players and would give a school an additional five to seven spots for transfers..."
 
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They should have never made transfers immediately eligible. Im all for NIL, and players should never be limited in where they want to transfer of if they can go in immediate scholarship. But, if they had to sit out of games for a year it would really help the ridiculous roster turnover (processing out lower level guys and replacing them with transfers from other teams).
 


A compromise is finally emerging among a group of proposals. Under the plan, schools can sign 25 new players while gaining additional signee spots for every player who transfers out of their program—up to a certain limit. The extra spots would be based on the number of players who enter the transfer portal under their own volition and would be capped at a figure, such as seven.

NCAA officials are moving closer to an immediate expansion of the annual 25-person signing limit as a way for coaches to replace players they’ve lost to the burgeoning transfer portal. The NCAA Division I Football Oversight Committee is finalizing a proposal that would change the signing limit this cycle in what’s being described as a one-year waiver of relief until a permanent policy is created.



What I've been saying, and discussing with @Cribby , for quite some time...
 






A compromise is finally emerging among a group of proposals. Under the plan, schools can sign 25 new players while gaining additional signee spots for every player who transfers out of their program—up to a certain limit. The extra spots would be based on the number of players who enter the transfer portal under their own volition and would be capped at a figure, such as seven.

NCAA officials are moving closer to an immediate expansion of the annual 25-person signing limit as a way for coaches to replace players they’ve lost to the burgeoning transfer portal. The NCAA Division I Football Oversight Committee is finalizing a proposal that would change the signing limit this cycle in what’s being described as a one-year waiver of relief until a permanent policy is created.


Honestly all this is going to do is encourage schools to run off dead weight and push kids into the portal. Rewarding schools for losing kids is stupid. There needs to be a more universal exception.
 
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The issue isn't 25! The issue is the 85 for the next 1-2 years THEN it goes back to the 25.
 
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The two hottest of the hot/dumb takes on this board are from guys who only read Twitter and ignore the details, and who also have no idea how college football recruiting math and roster management work.

At the end of the day, everyone will have 22 starters. If Saban wants to have 200 non-transfers on his roster every year, equilibrium will take over, and the non-starters will transfer out.

Alabama will still be Alabama, and Manny can still be the King of the Portal, but now he can sign 25 HS kids ALSO.

Great news FOR THE STUDENT-ATHLETES. Everyone else can process their feelings about Saban, but at least 100 other college coaches don't have to tell Class of 2022 HS kids "we're saving your spot for an unnamed transfer in six months".
 
The issue isn't 25! The issue is the 85 for the next 1-2 years THEN it goes back to the 25.

Wrong.

The issue, for this year, is 25. You see it at Miami, and across the country.

There WILL be a day of reckoning on the 85, but as per the recent pattern of behavior, the NCAA is powerfully kicking that can down the road.
 
Wrong.

The issue, for this year, is 25. You see it at Miami, and across the country.

There WILL be a day of reckoning on the 85, but as per the recent pattern of behavior, the NCAA is powerfully kicking that can down the road.

I think 90s is referring to the fact that we are seeing a lot of teams struggling to stay at or under the 85 limit temporarily due to Covid, because last year was a redshirt year for every one so rosters have been artificially swollen. Miami has that problem to a minor degree right now, though losing kids unexpectedly like Cam and Tae Williams makes it easier for us to take a full 25+
 
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I think 90s is referring to the fact that we are seeing a lot of teams struggling to stay at or under the 85 limit temporarily due to Covid, because last year was a redshirt year for every one so rosters have been artificially swollen. Miami has that problem to a minor degree right now, though losing kids unexpectedly like Cam and Tae Williams makes it easier for us to take a full 25+


Right, but we have a one-year exemption (for 2021-2022) on roster numbers (85). 2021-22 is the year that "D'Eriq King was supposed to be gone".

Yes, 2022-2023 is the year of reckoning, because we are supposed to be down to 85 by August 2022. But there is plenty of time for the NCAA to pull another belated rabbit out of the hat.

FOR NOW, the issue is what to do with the December 2021/February 2022 signing class, because we are all CURRENTLY taking (or trying to take) kids out of the portal.

It's a very short diving board, I realize that. But we could all shed upperclassmen in May of 2022 to get down to 85. However, if we sign fewer than 25 in December 2021 and February 2022, it will be because of the 25 IC limit, and how to balance HS signees and Portal transfers.

85 is looming, but 85 is fixable. 25 has been an impending/ongoing disaster for nearly a year.
 
The two hottest of the hot/dumb takes on this board are from guys who only read Twitter and ignore the details, and who also have no idea how college football recruiting math and roster management work.

At the end of the day, everyone will have 22 starters. If Saban wants to have 200 non-transfers on his roster every year, equilibrium will take over, and the non-starters will transfer out.

Alabama will still be Alabama, and Manny can still be the King of the Portal, but now he can sign 25 HS kids ALSO.

Great news FOR THE STUDENT-ATHLETES. Everyone else can process their feelings about Saban, but at least 100 other college coaches don't have to tell Class of 2022 HS kids "we're saving your spot for an unnamed transfer in six months".
The problem is Alabama gets to not only buy the best freshman class in football, now after a year or two they get to process out the bottom half of that class and replace it with even better players they poach from across the country. Potentially without limit depending on which route they take. They basically now get two or three chances instead of one to build the best class.

It will only further separate the haves vs the have nots. Which in my opinion is not good for college football but was probably inevitable.
 
The problem is Alabama gets to not only buy the best freshman class in football, now after a year or two they get to process out the bottom half of that class and replace it with even better players they poach from across the country. Potentially without limit depending on which route they take. They basically now get two or three chances instead of one to build the best class.

It will only further separate the haves vs the have nots. Which in my opinion is not good for college football but was probably inevitable.


You are correct, as it applies to Alabama, generally speaking. But you have to make the rules for all the teams, and we need to stop being afraid of "the rich getting richer".

Only 22 can play. Alabama is not just losing "the bottom half of the class", they are losing kids who could start elsewhere. AND LET'S LET THEM.

Again, if Alabama was ACTUALLY losing 12 kids per year from the "bottom half of the class", they could only take 7 Portal kids, at least under the current PROPOSAL.

Let's see how things shake out. We all know the NCAA will probably make a million more rules, eventually.

If and when Alabama has a roster of 85 5-stars, we can revisit the rules at that point.
 
They should have never made transfers immediately eligible. Im all for NIL, and players should never be limited in where they want to transfer of if they can go in immediate scholarship. But, if they had to sit out of games for a year it would really help the ridiculous roster turnover (processing out lower level guys and replacing them with transfers from other teams).

i don’t agree. Coaches can move from school to school at will leaving players they recruited and promises they made to schools in the wind. Look our situation recently with our LB coach. He got a better offer supposedly and was in the wind 25 days later. Or even with our own HC. Sure it worked our for us but Rutgers was left on the lam. Also coaches use to block where players could and could not go which was total bs. Now I’m all for of a person transfers once they’re eligiblity is immediate however any more transfers will cause them to sit out that year. Plus there should be a window of when players can and can’t transfer with an extenuating circumstance waiver. If we’re moving into the age of the million dollar CFB players there should be regulations just like the major leagues. With greater power comes great responsibility. I’m an advocate for player rights, I ran track at a DII. This makes for a more sophisticated, more ready player wether they go to the league or out into the world.
 
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