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The Svengali said:
Because of the Science.
Science and not emotions.

And I’m just going to say it: you southerners are a weird *** species (people in the Carolinas, Alabama, Florida, miss, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, etc). It’s almost like, if it’s written down in a book, studied at a university, or peer reviewed by scientists, you guys won’t believe that issue. You guys are the weirdest group of people I’ve seen Im my entire life, and this is an evidenced based statement, because I’ve been around in my 47 some odd years. Lol

It’s like you guys are from a totally different planet than the rest of us the planet in the rational world.
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That's some serious stereotypical prejudice ****....
 
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The Svengali said:
Other than Texas, and small pockets like Raleigh/Durham and Atlanta, the southern states aren’t offering anything substantive to America, and they’re holding the rest of the country back (mindset, they way they vote which hurts America, and education levels). They’re suckling from the teet of States that are actually making this country great and producing output (e.g., intellectually, products, science, progress).

Try to tell me I’m lying.
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Now it's complete delirium....
 
The Svengali said:
Because of the Science.
Science and not emotions.

And I’m just going to say it: you southerners are a weird *** species (people in the Carolinas, Alabama, Florida, miss, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, etc). It’s almost like, if it’s written down in a book, studied at a university, or peer reviewed by scientists, you guys won’t believe that issue. You guys are the weirdest group of people I’ve seen Im my entire life, and this is an evidenced based statement, because I’ve been around in my 47 some odd years. Lol

It’s like you guys are from a totally different planet than the rest of us the planet in the rational world.
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Science says it kills old people not college aged athletes so take ur science and shove it up ur ***. I’m from NJ I’m just sitting here watching tyranny run wild in this country. U know what’s weird ur all about science then why are deaths from the flu and phenomena down? I bet I have a few guesses as to why. Also I think like 40% of the deaths are from NY and Nj. Also notice how u liberals have changed ur narrative from “covid Deaths” To “covid cases” who cares if there’s cases it’s not killing as much as it did. Lastly for ur science loving left science says Hydroxcloralin works at killing the virus. Btw never getting the vaccine as well. The flu vaccine doesn’t end the flu but u all won’t open the country until we get a vaccine like it’s the end all be all. Sit down and shut up
 
canes732 said:
Science says it kills old people not college aged athletes so take ur science and shove it up ur ***. I’m from NJ I’m just sitting here watching tyranny run wild in this country. U know what’s weird ur all about science then why are deaths from the flu and phenomena down? I bet I have a few guesses as to why. Also I think like 40% of the deaths are from NY and Nj. Also notice how u liberals have changed ur narrative from “covid Deaths” To “covid cases” who cares if there’s cases it’s not killing as much as it did. Lastly for ur science loving left science says Hydroxcloralin works at killing the virus. Btw never getting the vaccine as well. The flu vaccine doesn’t end the flu but u all won’t open the country until we get a vaccine like it’s the end all be all. Sit down and shut up
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The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies shown that it works?
 
What is the next potential speed bump we could run into? I assume the big hurdle is students coming back to classes and the possible rise in case rates. Aren’t most schools doing a mix of on and off campus? Most students who are coming back would be on campus in the next two weeks correct?
 
jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies shown that it works?
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If it doesn’t work then why do the best Doctors in the world have the president taking it ? Ur logic is flawed with the flu and covid the numbers are down bc anyone with covid is marked as a covid death even if it didn’t kill them. Lockdown has done nothing but try to turn us into Europe. I’ll give a quote for you “ 14 days to flatten the curve “ yet here we are 5 months later still stuck. This is the exact reason why u don’t give up any rights to the government. And if u can agree with that then I have nothing for u. And I’m done hearing “ur selfish if u want to go live a normal life out of lockdown” we’ll hbu shut the **** up and stay locked down and I’ll live my life the way I so choose. That’s what America is about last I checked my ancestors left Europe so that I couldn’t be told I have to stay inside for “safety”. If you give up liberty for security you deserve neither. Maybe one day you liberals will realize this once ur in true communism. Ps. I’m not a republican I’m a libertarian so don’t come at me with trump BS
 
jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies shown that it works?
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It's too soon. Legitimate, blind randomized tests take years. Don't forget, they have to also be peer reviewed by an independent tester repeating the test and getting the same results before the medical community accepts it as "scientifically proven".

That's not to say there isn't documented evidence (above and beyond anecdotal evidence). For instance, a study in France (by IHU-Méditerranée Infection in Marseille) screened 31,000~ patients for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) in a clinical setting. 3,737 patients tested positive for COVID-19, 3,119 (83.5%) of which were treated with hydroxychloroquine. The results:

"The French team reported that overall the treatment regimen of HCQ-AZ led to a decreased risk of transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU) as well as death (Hazard ratio 0.18 0.11-0.27), a decreased risk of hospitalization ≥ 10 days (odds rations 95% CI 0.38 0.27-0.54 (and shorted duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.29 1.17-1.42). They did observe OTc prolongation (>60 ms ) in 25 patients (0.67%) which led to a halting of that treatment in 12 cases including 3 cases with QTc> 500 ms. The team observed absolutely no cases of sudden death."​
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Also:

"The team can make the claim based on the observations, or retrospective analysis that It would appear that if patients diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 are diagnosed, isolated and treated early and administered at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ that this led to significantly improved clinical outcomes as well as expedited viral load reduction when compared to other treatments."​
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The study was performed in a clinical setting treating with real patients, not in a testing laboratory. The link is provided below:

 
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jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies
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jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies shown that it works?
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What are your thoughts on this?
 

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jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies
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jhtheking said:
The science says it kills all ages at a higher rate than the flu last I checked. And you know how everyone’s been in lockdown? Yeah that will bring flu deaths down too. Pretty simple.

The science does not say hydroxychloroquine works.. there was one study that has been laughed at that “showed” it worked. It sucked ***. No randomization among other issues. Then there’s the demon lady who claimed it worked in that viral video. Why haven’t legitimate, blinded, randomized studies shown that it works?
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What are your thoughts on this?
NorthEastCane said:
It's too soon. Legitimate, blind randomized tests take years. Don't forget, they have to also be peer reviewed by an independent tester repeating the test and getting the same results before the medical community accepts it as "scientifically proven".

That's not to say there isn't documented evidence (above and beyond anecdotal evidence). For instance, a study in France (by IHU-Méditerranée Infection in Marseille) screened 31,000~ patients for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) in a clinical setting. 3,737 patients tested positive for COVID-19, 3,119 (83.5%) of which were treated with hydroxychloroquine. The results:

"The French team reported that overall the treatment regimen of HCQ-AZ led to a decreased risk of transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU) as well as death (Hazard ratio 0.18 0.11-0.27), a decreased risk of hospitalization ≥ 10 days (odds rations 95% CI 0.38 0.27-0.54 (and shorted duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.29 1.17-1.42). They did observe OTc prolongation (>60 ms ) in 25 patients (0.67%) which led to a halting of that treatment in 12 cases including 3 cases with QTc> 500 ms. The team observed absolutely no cases of sudden death."​
​
Also:

"The team can make the claim based on the observations, or retrospective analysis that It would appear that if patients diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 are diagnosed, isolated and treated early and administered at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ that this led to significantly improved clinical outcomes as well as expedited viral load reduction when compared to other treatments."​
​
The study was performed in a clinical setting treating with real patients, not in a testing laboratory. The link is provided below:

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******* love seeing liberals get owned with facts they just can’t get anything right. But orange man bad. Following blindly the worst politicians in the country it’s a ******* joke
 
canes732 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

******* love seeing liberals get owned with facts they just can’t get anything right. But orange man bad. Following blindly the worst politicians in the country it’s a ******* joke
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I'm not even a crazy Trump guy, but people let their dislike of him instantly discredit anything he could possibly say. But if Obama said the same thing he would have been praised for finding a cure or something to help. Again I'm more Libertarian but people's lack of ability to take all their crazy emotion out of finding things out on their own clouds their ability to see things straight.

Obviously covid is bad and appears to be worse than the flu, but it hasn't turned out to be this gigantic planet killing disease everyone thought it would be even despite what some would say has been a flawed response to it all. In general terms people have to get passed the idea that just because someone had/has covid they are going to die. The majority of people don't die from it if they are under 65 and healthy. Not to say there aren't one off cases. Also not to spark a conspiracy but it does seem odd that deaths from just about every other disease possible are down. Guy duys off a car crash, oh but he had covid, must have been a covid death. Or guy dies of cancer, had covid, oh that was the reason he died. Again covid sucks, but people are too quick to only hear one side of the story, make that concrete in the head and then scream at anyone else that says different. Both sides do it.

I just feel for all of the cities where crime is up, kids can't go back to school, children depression/suicide has spiked. So much to talk about and cover. Again I'm not even a Trump guy, i think the way he delivers a lot of his messages could be done so much better. But idk how someone could argue that Joe Biden seems reasonably healthy enough to be president, guy cant talk in front of a camera without a script, and talks about his bleached leg hairs. Hope everyone can stay healthy & we can get back to normal as quick as possible. Go Canes :)
 
LyndenCane22 said:
I'm not even a crazy Trump guy, but people let their dislike of him instantly discredit anything he could possibly say. But if Obama said the same thing he would have been praised for finding a cure or something to help. Again I'm more Libertarian but people's lack of ability to take all their crazy emotion out of finding things out on their own clouds their ability to see things straight.

Obviously covid is bad and appears to be worse than the flu, but it hasn't turned out to be this gigantic planet killing disease everyone thought it would be even despite what some would say has been a flawed response to it all. In general terms people have to get passed the idea that just because someone had/has covid they are going to die. The majority of people don't die from it if they are under 65 and healthy. Not to say there aren't one off cases. Also not to spark a conspiracy but it does seem odd that deaths from just about every other disease possible are down. Guy duys off a car crash, oh but he had covid, must have been a covid death. Or guy dies of cancer, had covid, oh that was the reason he died. Again covid sucks, but people are too quick to only hear one side of the story, make that concrete in the head and then scream at anyone else that says different. Both sides do it.

I just feel for all of the cities where crime is up, kids can't go back to school, children depression/suicide has spiked. So much to talk about and cover. Again I'm not even a Trump guy, i think the way he delivers a lot of his messages could be done so much better. But idk how someone could argue that Joe Biden seems reasonably healthy enough to be president, guy cant talk in front of a camera without a script, and talks about his bleached leg hairs. Hope everyone can stay healthy & we can get back to normal as quick as possible. Go Canes :)
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I agree I think people were duped politicians on the left are using it to try to beat trump in this election but I truly don’t see it happening. Biden and Kamala are a terrible duo to try to beat him with. But if they do get to do mail in Ballots. They will 110% win by rigging the election. And for anyone who says I’m crazy for thinking that answer this.... why do u have to mail it in when all u need to be safe to go vote in person is a MASK or does a mask do nothing ? Which is it
 
JD08 said:
Social programs aren't socialism.
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You're right they're Socialistic programs instead. Great job in making the distinction between Socialism & Socialistic. We definitely need more people like you in this country. You're smart enough to understand that Socialistic programs require work to earn benefits. Taxes are intended to pay for socialistic programs that benefit all: defense, roads, police, fire, street sweeping, etc. Taxes are mandatory and a necessary evil because citizens that lack a social conscience wouldn't pay their fair share even though they benefited from govt. services. The issue is the perception right now in this country based on propaganda is that govt. by & large is oppressive, inefficient, corrupt, and provides no value to the people. Contrast this with a country like Sweden, where their tax burden is higher than the United States but their citizens receive many more government benefits & services. (Sweden doesn’t have true Socialism either; the people are forced to work hard in order to make the country prosperous.) One can legitimately make the argument that the quality of life in Sweden is far better than it is in the United States when looking at metrics relating to homelessness, hunger, poverty, personal safety, mental health, elderly care, and health care.

Attempting to discredit Socialistic policy proposals that have the potential to benefit the entire nation by falsely labeling them as the pejorative Socialism does a huge disservice to intelligent public discourse and ultimately hinders attainment of a better society for the majority of Americans. As I have tried to tell you numerous times before, the quality of life in the United States was far better when taxes on the wealthy were higher and before corporate welfare corrupted the free market. Particularly during the period from 1933-1978. Employing phony labels to build straw man arguments, is only accelerating the country towards the proverbial cliff.

Just like you went out of your way in this instance to police the incorrect usage of Socialism, can we also count on you in the future to police the right wing partisan hacks & ideologues who spread propaganda & misrepresent Socialistic policy proposals as Socialism? Or..will you sit back, do nothing, & hide behind the charade of non-partisanship & objectivity?
 
Apex Predator said:
You're right they're Socialistic programs instead. Great job in making the distinction between Socialism & Socialistic. We definitely need more people like you in this country. You're smart enough to understand that Socialistic programs require work to earn benefits. Taxes are intended to pay for socialistic programs that benefit all: defense, roads, police, fire, street sweeping, etc. Taxes are mandatory and a necessary evil because citizens that lack a social conscience wouldn't pay their fair share even though they benefited from govt. services. The issue is the perception right now in this country based on propaganda is that govt. by & large is oppressive, inefficient, corrupt, and provides no value to the people. Contrast this with a country like Sweden, where their tax burden is higher than the United States but their citizens receive many more government benefits & services. (Sweden doesn’t have true Socialism either; the people are forced to work hard in order to make the country prosperous.) One can legitimately make the argument that the quality of life in Sweden is far better than it is in the United States when looking at metrics relating to homelessness, hunger, poverty, personal safety, mental health, elderly care, and health care.

Attempting to discredit Socialistic policy proposals that have the potential to benefit the entire nation by falsely labeling them as the pejorative Socialism does a huge disservice to intelligent public discourse and ultimately hinders attainment of a better society for the majority of Americans. As I have tried to tell you numerous times before, the quality of life in the United States was far better when taxes on the wealthy were higher and before corporate welfare corrupted the free market. Particularly during the period from 1933-1978. Employing phony labels to build straw man arguments, is only accelerating the country towards the proverbial cliff.

Just like you went out of your way in this instance to police the incorrect usage of Socialism, can we also count on you in the future to police the right wing partisan hacks & ideologues who spread propaganda & misrepresent Socialistic policy proposals as Socialism? Or..will you sit back, do nothing, & hide behind the charade of non-partisanship & objectivity?
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canes732 said:
Science says it kills old people not college aged athletes so take ur science and shove it up ur ***. I’m from NJ I’m just sitting here watching tyranny run wild in this country. U know what’s weird ur all about science then why are deaths from the flu and phenomena down? I bet I have a few guesses as to why. Also I think like 40% of the deaths are from NY and Nj. Also notice how u liberals have changed ur narrative from “covid Deaths” To “covid cases” who cares if there’s cases it’s not killing as much as it did. Lastly for ur science loving left science says Hydroxcloralin works at killing the virus. Btw never getting the vaccine as well. The flu vaccine doesn’t end the flu but u all won’t open the country until we get a vaccine like it’s the end all be all. Sit down and shut up
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Watching tyranny run wild!

Man wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of decisive leadership?
 
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5ringshowboutu said:
Watching tyranny run wild!

Man wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of decisive leadership?
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Politicians forget they work for us. Here in NJ we have a tyrant Governor Murphy ruining everything. Him and Cuomo are responsible for most deaths from Covid due to a horrid decision to send covid positive patients back to nursing homes lol
 
Social programs aren't socialism!

Tell that to all the establishment republicans crying about their social security and Medicare the orange daddy wants to "holiday".

"MARXIST MANIFESTO! SOCIALISM! BERNIE IS SATAN AND DRINKS OVALTINE! WELFARE STATE!....but please orange daddy don't take MY social program that definitely ISNT socialism!"
 
canes732 said:
Politicians forget they work for us. Here in NJ we have a tyrant Governor Murphy ruining everything. Him and Cuomo are responsible for most deaths from Covid due to a horrid decision to send covid positive patients back to nursing homes lol
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And Florida seems to be pretty bad compared to where I'm at in colorado. But they have the biglyest leadership from their govenor so it's super weird to see.
 
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