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rascon said:
Would be interesting to see Jerry starting his career 15 years later. Not sure he would have had the same career.

Randy would have dominated any era as long as a QB could throw the ball downfield. Megatron was a physical mismatch, but there were CBs that could lock him down (Rolle, Revis to name a couple off the top of my head). But Randy was almost always going to get his. If he felt like it.
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I mean prime Revis locked down everyone. Randy averaged like 30 YPG vs Revis in their matchups. Dude was unreal for 3/4 years
 
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To me, it’s Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Andre Johnson and then a huge gap.

Randy Moss was dominant at what he did but he had holes in his game and was immature. The rest of the guys (TO, Antonio Brown) had severe emotional problems.

If you get traded multiple times in your prime, you don’t qualify for the top group IMO.
 
DMoney said:
To me, it’s Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson and then a huge gap.

Randy Moss was dominant at what he did but he had holes in his game and was immature. The rest of the guys had emotional problems.

If you get traded multiple times in your prime, you don’t qualify for the top group IMO.
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Have to love Andre Johnson and, yes, Moss had maturity issues, but would still go with Moss. Sleeper in the group is Fitzgerald. Consummate pro and most dominant WR game ever against Canes.
 
DMoney said:
To me, it’s Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson and then a huge gap.

Randy Moss was dominant at what he did but he had holes in his game and was immature. The rest of the guys had emotional problems.

If you get traded multiple times in your prime, you don’t qualify for the top group IMO.
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Respectfully, Moss changed the way defenses played. He changed the game much like Steph Curry did basketball. You had teams drafting a fleet of DBs to try to slow him down. When he had a good QB guy was **** near unstoppable. He was traded the first time because the owner was cheap and didn’t want to pay him. Second time was because the Raiders were a mess and Belicheck and Brady saw a chance to pounce. Sure he had some baggage but doesn’t change how ridiculous he was. When people use your name as a verb over a decade later, you’ve earned your spot.
 
CreativeCane said:
Respectfully, Moss changed the way defenses played. He changed the game much like Steph Curry did basketball. You had teams drafting a fleet of DBs to try to slow him down. When he had a good QB guy was **** near unstoppable. He was traded the first time because the owner was cheap and didn’t want to pay him. Second time was because the Raiders were a mess and Belicheck and Brady saw a chance to pounce. Sure he had some baggage but doesn’t change how ridiculous he was. When people use your name as a verb over a decade later, you’ve earned your spot.
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Randy Moss was the best vertical receiver ever and the best go-up-and-get-it receiver ever.

He was also a distraction everywhere he went, had zero physicality, gave you nothing over the middle and nothing after the catch unless he had a clear runway

Give me guys with 95% of his talent, more complete games, and zero BS. There’s a reason nobody was trading Calvin, Fitz and Andre.
 
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DMoney said:
Randy Moss was the best vertical receiver ever and the best go-up-and-get-it receiver ever.

He was also a distraction everywhere he went, had zero physicality, gave you nothing over the middle and nothing after the catch.

Give me guys with 95% of his talent, more complete games, and zero BS. There’s a reason nobody was trading Calvin, Fitz and Andre.
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This is the dumbest argument I’ve ever seen anyone try to make about football.
 
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DMoney said:
Insightful counter. He must have been messing with some GM’s moms because they couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

Not sure why the greatest WR of all time was moving around so much.
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Shaq wore out his welcome several places too and is widely considered the most physically dominant center ever. Sometimes the most dominant players come with the biggest egos and baggage because few can compete. Jordan wasn’t exactly known as a great teammate and got rid of Collins. Lebron has left a trail of coaches in his wake. Some guys just need strong coaches to respect. Not the best attribute, but it doesn’t change their dominance.
 
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DMoney said:
Randy Moss was the best vertical receiver ever and the best go-up-and-get-it receiver ever.

He was also a distraction everywhere he went, had zero physicality, gave you nothing over the middle and nothing after the catch unless he had a clear runway

Give me guys with 95% of his talent, more complete games, and zero BS. There’s a reason nobody was trading Calvin, Fitz and Andre.
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By physicality do you mean blocking? Because catching balls with 2 defenders draped all over you takes plenty of physicality and he was as good as anybody doing that

Also, when required he was excellent after the catch…It's just he was the best vertical receiver ever so he was used as much underneath.
 
DMoney said:
To me, it’s Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Andre Johnson and then a huge gap.

Randy Moss was dominant at what he did but he had holes in his game and was immature. The rest of the guys (TO, Antonio Brown) had severe emotional problems.

If you get traded multiple times in your prime, you don’t qualify for the top group IMO.
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Jerry Rice was the bane of my existence over those other guys as a Bear fan and season ticket holder throughout the 80s-now.
At times the Bears kept the other two in check but Rice always crushed our souls.
 
Larry Fitz was the best college WR ever imo. Had a plumber playing QB and everyone knew where the ball was going, yet he couldn’t be stopped.

18 straight games with a TD catch (NCAA record that might never be broke) and was robbed of a heisman. Elite NFL career but you have to wonder if he wasn’t so loyal and left Cards or got drafted to play with Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, Brady what could’ve been.
 
CreativeCane said:
Shaq wore out his welcome several places too and is widely considered the most physically dominant center ever. Sometimes the most dominant players come with the biggest egos and baggage because few can compete. Jordan wasn’t exactly known as a great teammate and got rid of Collins. Some guys just need strong coaches to respect. Not the beat attribute, but it doesn’t change their dominance.
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Shaq is a good comparison. They were both uniquely dominant.

But is Shaq considered the best center ever? When we’re talking about the absolute best players of all time, it’s hard to justify taking somebody with glaring holes in their mental game.

Moss openly quit in Oakland. He admitted it. Calvin, Fitz and Andre spent their whole careers in dysfunctional organizations and never took a play off. If I’m picking between the greatest talents ever to play the position, give me those guys instead of a dude with 5% more pure ability.
 
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DMoney said:
Randy Moss was the best vertical receiver ever and the best go-up-and-get-it receiver ever.

He was also a distraction everywhere he went, had zero physicality, gave you nothing over the middle and nothing after the catch unless he had a clear runway

Give me guys with 95% of his talent, more complete games, and zero BS. There’s a reason nobody was trading Calvin, Fitz and Andre.
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Moss is second in NFL history in YAC.

But he probably had a bunch of "clear runways." You know... maybe because he's running a 4.3 at 6'4".
 
I enjoyed TO and Harrison more than Moss as a kid. Maybe it's because Moss ended up a Patriot. I still enjoy he didn't get a ring there and they lost the perfect season as a Dolphins fan.
 
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