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2018 LS Offered

mianjomar

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How does that discussion happen?
We need a Long Snapper and that's not a scholarship position.
Kid we want you to come to the U as a walk on.
Your family will have to pay the fifty grand a year but you can be on the team.
I can understand walking on at State schools or if you are already a student but this?
There must be an explanation.
 

sebastian0

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financial aid packages and academic scholarships to help reduce burden a little. Sellling hard going to a top school in paradise. Same way other sports have to do it.
 

gcane44

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How does that discussion happen?
We need a Long Snapper and that's not a scholarship position.
Kid we want you to come to the U as a walk on.
Your family will have to pay the fifty grand a year but you can be on the team.
I can understand walking on at State schools or if you are already a student but this?
There must be an explanation.

Well, first of all, Miami offers A LOT of scholarship money to students. I'd venture to guess that a near majority of UM undergrads have some sort of partial scholarship.

We don't know the details, but if he is being offered as a preferred walk-on, that means they can guarantee he will be admitted and may be able to indicate that they have received confirmation from the administration that he will be eligible to receive X amount of scholarship money (assuming his grades/resume allows for it).

With all that said, I wouldn't be so quick to assume it's not a football scholarship. While I'm not a fan of using up a scholly on a LS, some teams do it.
 

CaneInMe

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Offer is a preferred since Jordan Butler is the starter and on scholarship. Scholarship will be awarded when Butler graduates... in Jan of 19 OR Aug of 19. They have been extremely honest with him. Financial aid, academic scholarships, etc.... will be worked on over the summer to see where he will stands. He doesn't need football to get into the U. He has a great GPA and test scores. They just need to make it cheaper for one year or maybe one semester.
Specialist are a different group of people. They know one scholarship stands for a punter, kicker, and snapper. They look for schools who will need a guy in the right year. Clay has been talking to Hartley since camp last summer and knew the situation. Special teams at the U is going to be really good in the future!!!! We already have the speed to cover now we are getting the right guys to put points on the board. Hartley is killing the game right now... TE and K/P/LS
 

Hurricane Warrior

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Clay James (247 | offer | Rubio LS | hudl | Twitter) Preferred Walk-on
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Hurricanes Offer Long Snapper Walk-On Spot

Miami might have found its long snapper of the future.

Cocoa's Clay James picked up a preferred walk-on spot from the Hurricanes on Sunday after working out for special teams coordinator Todd Hartley.

"I got the offer I wanted," James said over the phone.

"What [Coach Hartley] basically told me is that they have a 2019 scholarship, and if I was a 2019 guy, I would have got a full ride, but he said that I can come in as a member of the 2018 class and be a preferred walk-on. So I would pay for the first semester and then when [current Miami long snapper Jordan Butler] graduates in December I would have his spot in January or later in the summer if he takes longer for some reason."

It might be asking a lot for James to pay some tuition up front, but the nation's No. 19 ranked long snapper per Rubio Long Snapping says that he is more than interested in the Hurricanes.

"Definitely," he said when asked if he's going to consider Miami moving forward. "As soon as we work out the financial situation there, I'm probably going to commit to Miami and be done with recruiting."
 
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Hurricane Warrior

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Offer is a preferred since Jordan Butler is the starter and on scholarship. Scholarship will be awarded when Butler graduates... in Jan of 19 OR Aug of 19. They have been extremely honest with him. Financial aid, academic scholarships, etc.... will be worked on over the summer to see where he will stands. He doesn't need football to get into the U. He has a great GPA and test scores. They just need to make it cheaper for one year or maybe one semester.
Specialist are a different group of people. They know one scholarship stands for a punter, kicker, and snapper. They look for schools who will need a guy in the right year. Clay has been talking to Hartley since camp last summer and knew the situation. Special teams at the U is going to be really good in the future!!!! We already have the speed to cover now we are getting the right guys to put points on the board. Hartley is killing the game right now... TE and K/P/LS

Claims a 4.17 GPA so he should be able to get some scholarships.
 

ILCane2011

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How does that discussion happen?
We need a Long Snapper and that's not a scholarship position.
Kid we want you to come to the U as a walk on.
Your family will have to pay the fifty grand a year but you can be on the team.
I can understand walking on at State schools or if you are already a student but this?
There must be an explanation.

Well, first of all, Miami offers A LOT of scholarship money to students. I'd venture to guess that a near majority of UM undergrads have some sort of partial scholarship.

We don't know the details, but if he is being offered as a preferred walk-on, that means they can guarantee he will be admitted and may be able to indicate that they have received confirmation from the administration that he will be eligible to receive X amount of scholarship money (assuming his grades/resume allows for it).

With all that said, I wouldn't be so quick to assume it's not a football scholarship. While I'm not a fan of using up a scholly on a LS, some teams do it.

This is a good point. Without knowing the kid's situation, it might actually be cheaper for him to go to Miami than a school like UF or FSU.

I know thanks to academic scholarships, Miami was a far better deal for me than it would have been to go to college in-state. And I know a lot of other kids choose Miami for that reason.

Hope everything works out for him and he's able to come to UM. A good long snapper is never a bad thing to have
 

TheOriginalCane

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is it true that Jordan Butler is one of our 85 scholarships?

Jordan Butler Bio - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site



Absolutely.

I know that you and I have disagreed on the issue of reduction of initial counters (and I have my info on very good authority), but we voluntarily reduced on the IC issue when we voluntarily reduced scholarships.

Bottom line is that we have awarded scholarships that are available based on 85 (but not available on IC numbers) to upperclass walkons. It's true, no matter if Canes1968 comes up with some elaborate hypothesis on how we can get to 30 scholarships in this class.

We are still burning off some of the IC limitation, and I trust Coach Richt to get us right again.

By the way, if we award this kid a scholarship in his first year, or even at the beginning of his second year, he counts as an IC. So, yeah, if you didn't think we were tight on the IC numbers, or if you didn't think we couldn't take advantage of the mid-year replacement rule, you are incorrectly assessing where we currently stand on numbers.

That's not directed at you, DD, you know I have much respect for you, but I'm just pointing out that we have hard proof now that we have an IC issue that can be circumvented by using the mid-year replacement rule.
 

DerekDohrman

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appreciate the response, TOC.

i do know that you can award scholarships to players after they have been in the program for 2 years without it counting as an initial counter, so if Jordan Butler is being put on scholarship this year(his 3rd year), then it wouldnt count as an initial counter.

im mostly asking if he's actually on scholarship because it does count against our 85 number, which we will be (potentially) limited by with our 2018 class. as he's only a junior this upcoming season, he will still be on the team when the 2018 class is set to enroll & count against the 85.
 

TheOriginalCane

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appreciate the response, TOC.

i do know that you can award scholarships to players after they have been in the program for 2 years without it counting as an initial counter, so if Jordan Butler is being put on scholarship this year(his 3rd year), then it wouldnt count as an initial counter.

im mostly asking if he's actually on scholarship because it does count against our 85 number, which we will be (potentially) limited by with our 2018 class. as he's only a junior this upcoming season, he will still be on the team when the 2018 class is set to enroll & count against the 85.


Right. From what is being stated in that article, then Butler is graduating in December 2018 or May 2019. Assuming normal academic progress, that means if he was given a scholarship this past cycle (2016-17), he would be either be a pure junior or a redshirt junior.

Additionally, I think that THIS YEAR (signing class of 2018) will be the first where both 85 "overall" and 85 ICs will come into play. However, we could have a sudden exodus of guys this summer or fall, and given Miami's great graduation rate, even a kid who has never played might be a kid who still gives up his spot to another by graduating in December.

I do trust that the coaches are on top of this, I'm just pointing out that some folks on the board overfocus on the 85 "overall" limit. If Richt brings that ruthless SEC approach to scholarship limits, we will continue to see certain guys leave the program.
 
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