2 things in the game that happened...

[YUMU]

during the game that I think would have changed the perception of the game.

-Miami punches that ball in on the 2 foot line. That makes the game 27-10, and it was consecutive drives our offense was moving the ball down the field. Miami gets the momentum.

Instead Bama scores on a few plays later and its 34-3. Then on Miami's next drive King throws to Redding, the CB is holding his jersey clear as day, and then TOTO hits Redding high in the head/neck area and launched at the WR. Clear targeting by rule. Miami would have moved to around mid field with those 2 penalties. The announcers both called out the 2 penalties watching the replay, but didn't raise a stink obviously because score was big at the time. Had that been in a tight game, the announcers would have made much more of a fuss about it.

INSTEAD of Miami having the ball at midfield and first down, Bama gets short field scores their last TD.

Miami puts together 2 more scoring drives after that.

Punch it in from the 2 foot line, and Refs make the clear right calls and this score is more like 37-20. The mood around here would have been MUCH DIFFERENT.

Miami is not on Alabama's level. Again Miami's best class in past 5 years would be Alabama's worst recruiting class.

Alabama has 12 ALL SEC players. Miami has 2 ALL ACC players.

Alabama has a NFL Head Coach as an OC. They beat Miami by 31, just won the NC by beating Ohio State by 28, beat Notre Dame by 17, Texas A&M by 28, UGA by 17 9 months ago.


Miami has got to figure out when they are outmatched like Clemson and Alabama games, to do the things that make them more competitive. Last year vs. Clemson the first 2 TD drives by Clemson shouldn't have happened. Roche was offsides on 4th down when Miami had a stop on 1st TD drive, then Amari targeting ON 3RD AND LONG kept the next TD drive going. This year punching the ball in from 2 foot out.


Few players I noticed re watching the game closely.

Deriq King started the game 18-19 passing. I feel like his accuracy has improved throwing the ball this year.

-- Manny Diaz said Miami got Alabama in 3rd and 5 plus FOURTEEN times, and Alabama converted 10 of those opportunities. I was telling my buddies watching the game we can't get off the filed on 3rd down.

King didn't look 100 healthy though. I think some nerves, some rust, and some overcoming mental of the knee injury.

-The WR's made catches Rambo, Harley, Smith will be an improvement. X man had a great TD catch, he did drop an open 14 yard pass though. It was our only drop.

-After re watching the tape, I feel better about this OL than I have in years after Justice took over at RT. He is strong and physical. RIVERS belonged at this level. Nelson was solid, although I thought Will Anderson gave him trouble in the run game. Got penetration. Navaughn is good when he is in a box. He is strong, he pancaked a guy one time, but if he has to move in any space, he can become a liability. Gaynor was fine. He will be better this year because Rivers and Donaldson are beside him.

-Flagg plays faster than his 40 time. He is more explosive shooting a gap than you think he is. Keontra has speed, is physical, and is a fearless player, he just needs to wrap better, and continue learning the position. He has been playing this position for about 7 months, and Flagg made his first career start and is just starting his 2nd year. I like the projection of that duo.

-Harvey is better against the run than you think. It was sorta weird to me sometimes we brought 5 and didn't get much pressure, and I thought a few times we rushed 3 and got some pressure. I thought all 4 DE's flashed at times with their pass rush.

-Amari CARTER is seemingly always around the ball, BUT he misses too many tackles. I think I counted 3 big missed tackles that would have greatly helped.

-Couch and Stevenson are the best secondary tacklers. They are physical.

-Also Gurvan Hall got slack because he had deep third on the long pass play TD, he got caught peeking at Metchie....BUT Hall played a good game. HE WAS a TACKLING machine, I thought I saw 2-3 open field big tackles on those big backs that would have gone for more yardage had he not played well.

Miami lost, we need to play better in big games. Clemson and UNC also lost. Long season, and I do think this team is better than last years team. They could still go anywhere between 7-5 and 10-2, depends on how hard and smart they play rest of the season.

Great stuff
We were badly out-coached and
outprepared

We should have also got the turnover on the K Kinchen hit.

Gurvan fell asleep when the ball basically fell on his hands and let the Bama RB laying on the floor take it from him.

I don't agree with #26 assessment. He lost concentration out there, makes big mistakes

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

I too found it interesting that we got homered by a Big Ten officiating crew in a game against an SEC team. Ive seen NBA refs do this many a time. The "tell" is always that the team getting homered gets a handful of calls late in the game so the offiating numbers look like they favor the team that got homered.

In no way would it have changed the final outcome of the game, but there were definitely some of these very questionable non-calls in Baga's favor. Another one that had me yelling at the TV was the no-call on the face mask against King. You almost always see hands to the face/head of a QB draw the personal foul. Instead, one announcer even said something effectively praising the defender because he 'got just enough of him to impact the timing on the play.' Yeah, just enough OF HIS FACE MASK.

 

[CaneThang2020]

It’s all about the timing. Refs completely control the outcome.

And as a ref myself, I can tell you that there's no wrong time to throw your flag if it's the right call. The PI and targeting on Redding both could've been called even AFTER the play was blown dead. Misconception out there that you CAN'T throw your flag if the play is over.....wrong....it looks bad and coaches will absolutely go nuts, screaming and cuss and everything else, BUT....it is absolutely within the officiating rules/guidelines that you can flag and/or correct anything from the play before as long as the ball hasn't snapped yet..........

PERFECT EXAMPLE IS THE BOLDEN TARGETING CALL....no flag on the play but right before Bama snapped the ball the replay official buzzed down and stopped play. On field officials can do the same thing. Officials have a very tough job out there, not as easy as it looks....but on all levels of football SAFETY is being rammed in our brains...no way they should've missed that call vs Redding. I think there were about 4 players ejected in the Ole Miss vs Louisville game last night....refs have to get it right on both sides every time. Targeting call on Bolden was a tough call but by the nature of the rule, it was correct, but they ABSOLUTELY can't miss it vs Miami later in the game when its clear as day. Can't be a judgment call on one side and then let it go on the other side, that's the part that stings the most.

 

[CaneThang2020]

In no way would it have changed the final outcome of the game, but there were definitely some of these very questionable non-calls in Baga's favor. Another one that had me yelling at the TV was the no-call on the face mask against King. You almost always see hands to the face/head of a QB draw the personal foul. Instead, one announcer even said something effectively praising the defender because he 'got just enough of him to impact the timing on the play.' Yeah, just enough OF HIS FACE MASK.

Bingo....I saw that too. They say if you grab and immediately let go, it's at the refs discretion whether it's a foul or not, but due to it affecting the play, it should've been flagged. If you make a guys head turn, even a centimeter, flag has got to be thrown. 5 yard penalty and replay the down.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

In no way would it have changed the final outcome of the game, but there were definitely some of these very questionable non-calls in Baga's favor. Another one that had me yelling at the TV was the no-call on the face mask against King. You almost always see hands to the face/head of a QB draw the personal foul. Instead, one announcer even said something effectively praising the defender because he 'got just enough of him to impact the timing on the play.' Yeah, just enough OF HIS FACE MASK.

I have no idea how a face mask or hands to the face can ever be missed on a QB. It was clear as day.

 

[Ziggy]

You're not wrong but Manny always spits these scenarios out after losses. Bottom line is we didn't get off the field on 3rd down, we didn't score at the inch line, we didn't make the play.

 

[CaneThang2020]

There were a couple of blatant calls that went Bama’s way that did change momentum. But they could’ve went for 70 if they really wanted to. So yes it mattered, but at the same time it didn’t change the inevitable.

STRONGLY DISAGREE....and I'm usually with you NC Cane. If Bama could've went for 80 they would've done it, Saban has every reason to do it especially vs us due to our recruiting footprint. If you don't think he doesn't want Shemar or didn't want LT and JW, should think again. Now he's going to win more of those crootin battles than he'll lose, but if we can just win 2 out of 5 consistently vs Saban it'll completely upgrade the level of talent on our depth chart.

You're right in the sense that it was going to be very tough, and likely would result in a loss. But those blatant calls didn't go our way, nor did we get ANY breaks from the calls that went against us. And we STILL kept the game from spiraling out of control after it went to 27-0 by finishing over 2Q with a 17-13 Bama score. Our kids STOPPED Bama from scoring 70 on us, they didn't stop trying to score.

 

[TUSKtimes]

And as a ref myself, I can tell you that there's no wrong time to throw your flag if it's the right call. The PI and targeting on Redding both could've been called even AFTER the play was blown dead. Misconception out there that you CAN'T throw your flag if the play is over.....wrong....it looks bad and coaches will absolutely go nuts, screaming and cuss and everything else, BUT....it is absolutely within the officiating rules/guidelines that you can flag and/or correct anything from the play before as long as the ball hasn't snapped yet..........

PERFECT EXAMPLE IS THE BOLDEN TARGETING CALL....no flag on the play but right before Bama snapped the ball the replay official buzzed down and stopped play. On field officials can do the same thing. Officials have a very tough job out there, not as easy as it looks....but on all levels of football SAFETY is being rammed in our brains...no way they should've missed that call vs Redding. I think there were about 4 players ejected in the Ole Miss vs Louisville game last night....refs have to get it right on both sides every time. Targeting call on Bolden was a tough call but by the nature of the rule, it was correct, but they ABSOLUTELY can't miss it vs Miami later in the game when its clear as day. Can't be a judgment call on one side and then let it go on the other side, that's the part that stings the most.

The refs take forever to huddle together after a play to discuss intentional grounding. I guess there's a lot to consider from a lot of sets of eyes on that one. But targeting is clear and I wonder how hard some coaches are teaching fundamentals when it comes to tackling. Last night was a targeting slugfest and even after the 2nd and 3rd guys went out they were still trying to blow each other up.

I would really like to see a flagrant 1 or 2 in these situations as a way of keeping some of these players in the game. Some of this is obviously more grievous than others. Getting a helmet in the lower extremities as opposed to helmet-on-helmet crime should be a quick review. They do it quick enough in the NBA, it's doable. Some of these targets should only be a 15-year penalty and if someone gets cranked in the mouth or head, that's different.

 

[Babscanes]

the targeting rule needs to be modified. Make the first a 15 yard penalty and the second an ejection.

 

[Page305]

Y'all really think Nick Saban is that nice to take his foot off the gas?? Dude had his starters still in late in the fourth and he also **** near had an heart attack just because he had to call his first timeout late on the game. It's just as simple as we played better later on. Still wouldn't have made any difference tho. Bama is on another level and it's BEYOND comparing the talent of the players. It's literally everything. They're light years ahead of us in every aspect. Grown men vs kids, NFL coaching talent vs coaches that's still trying to learn how to coach.

 

[561Cane]

Excuses is for losers. It’s three straight losses. All three to start the game showed unpreparedness. The classic deer in the headlights.

Two of last three games were blowouts.

HC and assistant coaches as well just make excuses.

Keep making them and Canes will continue losing.

 

[RaisingCane26]

It doesn’t help that Manny almost never gets in these refs ***. You get on them even if it’s a correct call against you. Not the 10th no call.

Dabo didn’t get a late hit that was right in front of him, he was getting after the officials for 10 minutes. Handful of plays later Clemson draws a pass interference against Georgia on what truthfully should’ve been a no call. They called that simply to balance out or fix the no call.

It’s the game within the game, and Manny in year 3 still doesn’t get that. Manny is playing Checkers while your top couple tiers of coaches play chess. It’s not just X’s and O’s.

Lot of psychology and manipulation involved, especially dealing with officiating. A lot of great coaches majored or at least took psych classes. Jimmy Johnson, Saban, Urban, etc. Its a massive part of the game.

 

[3GC]

during the game that I think would have changed the perception of the game.

-Miami punches that ball in on the 2 foot line. That makes the game 27-10, and it was consecutive drives our offense was moving the ball down the field. Miami gets the momentum.

Instead Bama scores on a few plays later and its 34-3. Then on Miami's next drive King throws to Redding, the CB is holding his jersey clear as day, and then TOTO hits Redding high in the head/neck area and launched at the WR. Clear targeting by rule. Miami would have moved to around mid field with those 2 penalties. The announcers both called out the 2 penalties watching the replay, but didn't raise a stink obviously because score was big at the time. Had that been in a tight game, the announcers would have made much more of a fuss about it.

INSTEAD of Miami having the ball at midfield and first down, Bama gets short field scores their last TD.

Miami puts together 2 more scoring drives after that.

Punch it in from the 2 foot line, and Refs make the clear right calls and this score is more like 37-20. The mood around here would have been MUCH DIFFERENT.

Miami is not on Alabama's level. Again Miami's best class in past 5 years would be Alabama's worst recruiting class.

Alabama has 12 ALL SEC players. Miami has 2 ALL ACC players.

Alabama has a NFL Head Coach as an OC. They beat Miami by 31, just won the NC by beating Ohio State by 28, beat Notre Dame by 17, Texas A&M by 28, UGA by 17 9 months ago.


Miami has got to figure out when they are outmatched like Clemson and Alabama games, to do the things that make them more competitive. Last year vs. Clemson the first 2 TD drives by Clemson shouldn't have happened. Roche was offsides on 4th down when Miami had a stop on 1st TD drive, then Amari targeting ON 3RD AND LONG kept the next TD drive going. This year punching the ball in from 2 foot out.


Few players I noticed re watching the game closely.

Deriq King started the game 18-19 passing. I feel like his accuracy has improved throwing the ball this year.

-- Manny Diaz said Miami got Alabama in 3rd and 5 plus FOURTEEN times, and Alabama converted 10 of those opportunities. I was telling my buddies watching the game we can't get off the filed on 3rd down.

King didn't look 100 healthy though. I think some nerves, some rust, and some overcoming mental of the knee injury.

-The WR's made catches Rambo, Harley, Smith will be an improvement. X man had a great TD catch, he did drop an open 14 yard pass though. It was our only drop.

-After re watching the tape, I feel better about this OL than I have in years after Justice took over at RT. He is strong and physical. RIVERS belonged at this level. Nelson was solid, although I thought Will Anderson gave him trouble in the run game. Got penetration. Navaughn is good when he is in a box. He is strong, he pancaked a guy one time, but if he has to move in any space, he can become a liability. Gaynor was fine. He will be better this year because Rivers and Donaldson are beside him.

-Flagg plays faster than his 40 time. He is more explosive shooting a gap than you think he is. Keontra has speed, is physical, and is a fearless player, he just needs to wrap better, and continue learning the position. He has been playing this position for about 7 months, and Flagg made his first career start and is just starting his 2nd year. I like the projection of that duo.

-Harvey is better against the run than you think. It was sorta weird to me sometimes we brought 5 and didn't get much pressure, and I thought a few times we rushed 3 and got some pressure. I thought all 4 DE's flashed at times with their pass rush.

-Amari CARTER is seemingly always around the ball, BUT he misses too many tackles. I think I counted 3 big missed tackles that would have greatly helped.

-Couch and Stevenson are the best secondary tacklers. They are physical.

-Also Gurvan Hall got slack because he had deep third on the long pass play TD, he got caught peeking at Metchie....BUT Hall played a good game. HE WAS a TACKLING machine, I thought I saw 2-3 open field big tackles on those big backs that would have gone for more yardage had he not played well.

Miami lost, we need to play better in big games. Clemson and UNC also lost. Long season, and I do think this team is better than last years team. They could still go anywhere between 7-5 and 10-2, depends on how hard and smart they play rest of the season.

One offensive play over 20 yards.
We've regressed..

 

[supacane]

Game ended on that 3rd and 7.

Told my friend that cal showed we were scared on the first drive. Bama was so glad we continued to try and run up the middle. A&M is gonna beat them in College Station. Ole Miss dicing them up again too

 

[Juancane]

Agreed on Hall, I like the way he played better than Bolden: On the long TD, I thought he was the single high safety, I think I would have also shifted to Metchie side also .

I gotta rewatch but i thought our safeties did absolutely nothing. If we the barometer is they make a few tackles but don't make a single play on a ball ever and don't come up and make hits before its ten yards down field, then its because they are pretty limited. I'd like to see Williams and Kinchens get more run and see what they offer.