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demcanes26 said:
Just watch 2015 Arkansas, and there's your answer. It was one of the most explosive offenses in the country that season, and Miami has better WR's
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True. It only took me watching a couple of games from that season to get very excited about the Enos hire.

Do you or anyone else know what type of QB Brandon Allen was? Do any of our QB's share a similar playing style as him?
 
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I wouldn’t be shocked to see three te’s at times , in say a third down and short. Then shift , or motion guys out wide. Jordan , Brevin and Irvin/Hodges in space would cause some problems. There’s lots of option since these guys run like wr’s.
 
streetja said:
True. It only took me watching a couple of games from that season to get very excited about the Enos hire.

Do you or anyone else know what type of QB Brandon Allen was? Do any of our QB's share a similar playing style as him?
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from what i know, i thought he was a PP but could be wrong. it seems thats what enos prefers (based on his recruiting). hes smart enough to find a way to make it work w whoever ends up winning the job though.
 
LuCane said:
What in the world are you talking about? 3 teams ran it for more than 1/3 of their plays. 5 teams ran it for 1/4 of their plays or more. Using that as a reference for the direction a college team, with more depth at the position, can use it, is a completely reasonable baseline to predict our number to exceed how much it's used in the NFL. You're actually strengthening the point while calling it "silly."
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Not calling the statement of the percentage of use TEs in NFL silly.

The comparison I think is just very exaggerated because theres only a very little handful, maybe 3 to 5 on a yearly basis throughout the NCAA that are able to give the sort of mismatches you can really expose. Meanwhile because the greater deal of disparity of talent in NCAA compared to NFL.

Maybe it isn't silly, your right, just the difference between NFL Wrs and Tes is blurry at best.
 
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Arehel said:
Not calling the statement of the percentage of use TEs in NFL silly.

The comparison I think is just very exaggerated because theres only a very little handful, maybe 3 to 5 on a yearly basis throughout the NCAA that are able to give the sort of mismatches you can really expose. Meanwhile because the greater deal of disparity of talent in NCAA compared to NFL.

Maybe it isn't silly, your right, just the difference between NFL Wrs and Tes is blurry at best.
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It’s more to give folks an idea of how often particular sets are used in football. NFL-wide usage of 11 personnel, for example, is 2/3s of plays with the teams using it most heavily being over 75% (Rams were 87%!). Don’t have those numbers available for college, so giving an idea of how often it’s used in NFL and then using that baseline to get some general number for what we might expect. Considering the differences between NFL and college game, one (depth at TE) that you mentioned, and how it might apply to our situation (where we have depth at TE, but also a solid WR group).

We have decent potential with 11 personnel, too, as by the end of year I think we’ll have Thomas, Osborne, Pope and Hightower as reliable options. Even with those options, I expect Enos to use 12 personnel a ton. ****, like someone else said, I can see us try out 3 TEs in more than just goal line scenarios (although admittedly minimal spots).

Enos has a ton of options. Our tackles need help, though, so I expect personnel groupings to reflect that vulnerability.
 
AutoCANE said:
I don't think there's any question that we're going to see a bunch of this happening. One in-line and one split out, both split out, both in-line, three TE sets in goal line / short yardage, there's no limit to what Enos could do in personnel packages and moving them around.

This is one spot on the roster where our depth gives us a distinct advantage against pretty much everybody we will face.
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I pray we take advantage of this distinct advantage. And, as always, love the Avatar.
 
Cribby said:
I wouldn’t be shocked to see three te’s at times , in say a third down and short. Then shift , or motion guys out wide. Jordan , Brevin and Irvin/Hodges in space would cause some problems. There’s lots of option since these guys run like wr’s.
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I was waiting for someone to mention this. Gotta have some motion or shifts - and then enjoy watching the opposing DC pulling his hair out.
 
streetja said:
How often do you expect we line up with it and just how much of an advantage is it going to create for us?

Listened to the amazing Greg Cosell the other day and he emphasized just how difficult it is for defenses to defend against multiple TE formations. Defenses will often play their base personnel and if you can line up your TE's outside the formation as a WR that's where you really create major mismatches. Brevin fits that mold to the T, and if reports are true going all the way back to Spring Practice, we're 3 deep at TE since Irvin II is really coming into his own. Which means we should be able to always have 2 fresh TE's at any given moment.

They say a TE is a QB's best friend, so how about giving him two?
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Actually Mallory would be the better choice to split out wide and have Brevin at the line since Will is faster and Brevin is the better blocker. But this is going to be a huge mismatch for teams when we face them.
 
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All these offensive formations we’re talking about here gives me a boner. What did we all say last year... the playbook sucked bad.
As long as we can execute we should throw everything at them... move the ******* chains, run it up there *** in between and hope the OL plays lights out.
TNM will be a new and effective chess game... can’t wait!
 
The 2 TE set will be our greatest weapon. For the UF game specifically, having brevin or mike irvin jr constantly chip to help Zion or Herbert will likely be necessary to buy our chosen qb time to operate. I struggle to find many defenses in America who can handle mallory in the slot so we have to capitalize on that mismatch. If we're able to exploit the 2 TE sets properly it'll open up the run game and give our receivers more 1 on 1 coverage. And if that happens, we back.
 
Been watching 2015 Arkansas film today. They used the two TEs VERY often and in a variety of ways.

You would often see the two lines up on the same side of the line and block while Enos runs the ball to the weak side.

He would shift both to the same side of the line very often.

Occasionally he’d split one out wide. But not as much as he used them on the same side. I didn’t see many times (so far) where they have been lined up on opposite sides of the field.

But they will be used often
 
motorcitycane said:
Been watching 2015 Arkansas film today. They used the two TEs VERY often and in a variety of ways.

You would often see the two lines up on the same side of the line and block while Enos runs the ball to the weak side.

He would shift both to the same side of the line very often.

Occasionally he’d split one out wide. But not as much as he used them on the same side. I didn’t see many times (so far) where they have been lined up on opposite sides of the field.

But they will be used often
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Once we get some rhythm going in the run game, watching the TEs go across the formation and catch passes on crossers is going to bring tears to my eyes.
 
Honestly we should do it just about every down. We have the two best TE’s in America. And we have questionable tackles.

Two birds, one stone.

Seems like a total no-brainer to me.

They can help us in the running game as well.
 
LuCane said:
For reference, the highest usage percentage of 12 personnel in the NFL last year was about 36%. Teams like the Eagles, with Ertz and Goedert, ran 2 TEs 35% of the time. Comparing their NFL roster to our college roster, I think we have WRs who have advantages against our opponents more than they had advantageous WR matchups. So you might think we run it less. But, specifically because of Enos and our unique Jordan/Mallory + depth situation, I actually think we'll still be around 35-40% of our snaps with 2 TEs.
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It will be great to see Jordan and Mallory attacking the seams and creating space for guys like Thomas and Osborn on crossing routes in the short/intermediate areas. There should be a lot of room to work and if we hit receivers in stride a lot of potential yac.
 
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I would say quite often. Especially if the TEs are playing the way we expect them to! It's basically 2 more blockers if the OL is struggling. It's 2 more very athletic weapons in the passing game. It makes the defense more unsure. It makes complete sense. The Pats (man I hate them) do it more than anyone and look at the success they have had over the years.
 
If the Pats were able to do this with that POS Hernandez and Gronk AND have huge advantages, count me in.
 
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