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2 Point Conversion

The 2 calls in the game that stood out the most to me as being wrong:

Going for 2
Giving it to Jimmy Murphy on 3rd & 1

Both got a good result, but I don't think they were the correct call. These 2 calls would've caused an absolute meltdown for their stupidity if they hadn't worked.
 
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jackbenimble71 said:
why did we go for 2? really? two words...

BUBBA
BAXA
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Faulty logic. Baxa already hit three PATs. If there was no faith in him on a point after, they'd have gone for two the three previous tries.

Diaz explained on Joe Rose that Baxa's issues might impact fourth down red zone calls, but not PATs.

Went for two because he's an analytics guy. When down 14 at that point of the game, you go for two with a belief that you'll make it (stating teams have a 45%-50% chance of making a two-point conversion.)

If you miss, you get another crack at going for two to tie—and with roughly 50% odds, you're likely to make at least one and wind up in a tie.

That said, if you make the first, then you're in a position to kick a PAT that puts you ahead after grueling comeback; opposed to forcing overtime.

Baxa whiff aside, people should be more ****ed about Miami not knowing how to deal with any prosperity—getting a f**king unsportsmanlike penalty after Dallas' run?

That isn't "coaching"—this kids know better.

Baxa booted a 71-yard kickoff from 15 yards back and Virginia Tech returned it to the 37-yard line—opposed to a touchback, or getting pinned deeper.

That unsportsmanlike call was as bad as the Baxa whiff. Same nonsense in Florida game where Miami intercepts it late and Al Blades goes double middle fingers at Franks and the Canes get a blocking penalty on first down; ****ing away 30 valuable yards in one tick off the clock.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Manny used his timeouts in the 4th quarter a lot earlier than most coaches do. And it worked out. He started taking timeouts with over 6 minutes remaining in the game.
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He took a timeout at the 6:21 mark on a crucial 3rd-and-10 with Miami trailing 35-21 and Virginia Tech deepen their own territory (19-yard line)—seeing their alignment and wanting to talk it over with his defense.

On the following play Trevon Hill sacked Hendon Hooker for a four-yard loss and the Hokies were forced to punt. Pretty goddamned good use of a timeout there.

Miami then drove 61 yards on six plays and Perry hit Thomas on 3rd-and-11 for a 25-yard touchdown, cutting the lead to seven.

Diaz used his second timeout with :21 remaining after Perry didn't find a receiver past the sticks and Pope was tacked three yards short of a first down.

Diaz never used his third and final timeout once Miami was in the red zone as Virginia Tech burned two in six seconds.

So again, what the **** was the point of your post? One timeout was taken on a crucial third and long, down 14 and absolutely needing the right assignment and a stop.

Why is this being attacked? It was six minutes remaining in the FOURTH quarter, not the THIRD and it was his FIRST timeout.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
He took a timeout at the 6:21 mark on a crucial 3rd-and-10 with Miami trailing 35-21 and Virginia Tech deepen their own territory (19-yard line)—seeing their alignment and wanting to talk it over with his defense.

On the following play Trevon Hill sacked Hendon Hooker for a four-yard loss and the Hokies were forced to punt. Pretty goddamned good use of a timeout there.

Miami then drove 61 yards on six plays and Perry hit Thomas on 3rd-and-11 for a 25-yard touchdown, cutting the lead to seven.

Diaz used his second timeout with :21 remaining after Perry didn't find a receiver past the sticks and Pope was tacked three yards short of a first down.

Diaz never used his third and final timeout once Miami was in the red zone as Virginia Tech burned two in six seconds.

So again, what the **** was the point of your post? One timeout was taken on a crucial third and long, down 14 and absolutely needing the right assignment and a stop.

Why is this being attacked? It was six minutes remaining in the FOURTH quarter, not the THIRD and it was his FIRST timeout.
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Are you on drugs? I literally said he took his timeouts earlier than usual and it worked out. As in, IT WORKED. I have no issues with him doing what he did, it was just unconventional. Did you just chug a redbull?

And even better, you're not even correct. He called his first TO with 6:26 left. Then, after the Hill sack on the next play, he called his 2nd TO. So he was clearly trying to save time with 6 and a half minutes left in the game, WHICH WAS A SMART DECISION, BOZO. He used the last TO after the Pope catch with about 30 seconds to go in the game.

CIS....never change. I come and say something praising the coach's decision, and the response is not only calling me out as if I criticized the dude, but the facts aren't even correct. Go to sleep.
 
He knew if we tied and went to OT, would likely depend on Baxa making a FG. He’s not good at those.
 
WIN said:
Up to that point Baxa was 4/4 on PAT's so why go for 2 then and not go for 2 on the next one???
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Because that’s 1 coin flip for a win or loss. If you go for it down 8 then you have a 98% play (with a normal kicker) for a win or a coin flip for a tie. It doesn’t increase your win percentage by a significant amount, but mathematically, it’s a smart play. Just people flip out if you don’t do something traditional.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Because that’s 1 coin flip for a win or loss. If you go for it down 8 then you have a 98% play (with a normal kicker) for a win or a coin flip for a tie. It doesn’t increase your win percentage by a significant amount, but mathematically, it’s a smart play. Just people flip out if you don’t do something traditional.
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Ok... should have kicked it
 
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emrok said:
If your goal is to win the game, going for 2 gives you a 12.5%(iirc) higher chance to win.

It was the correct call...and the 2pt worked.
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yeah it worked ..... only with a superhuman play from Dallas.
 
HighSeas said:
predictivefootball.com

Late and Trailing: Always Go For 2 Down Eight After a Touchdown

There’s been a lot of talk[note]More negative than positive recently.[/note] about the Browns analytics-driven front office, yet on Sunday we saw an example of how their coach Hue Jackson&nbs…
predictivefootball.com predictivefootball.com
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That's very interesting data - I wouldn't have thought that.

An important difference is those are NFL stats, where the XP kick is 33 yds vs. 20 yds in college.

It would be interesting to see the %'s for college - but the "when to go for 2" probabilities changed when the NFL made the XP longer. NFL XP's convert about 5% less since they moved it.
 
bshaw28 said:
That's very interesting data - I wouldn't have thought that.

An important difference is those are NFL stats, where the XP kick is 33 yds vs. 20 yds in college.

It would be interesting to see the %'s for college - but the "when to go for 2" probabilities changed when the NFL made the XP longer. NFL XP's convert about 5% less since they moved it.
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Yeah good points. I wouldn't say these stats are universal for college like they are in the NFL. If you have a good kicker and a lousy goal line offense then you might be better off playing for OT. You didn't mention the college 2 pt. line is at the 3 instead of the 2 so that's another mitigating factor.

In the context of Miami most would agree that Baxa is unreliable which tilts the math in favor of going for 2. Hypothetically speaking if Miami can't go 1/2 on 2pt converts there are bigger problems than game management. Indeed the play call was lousy but it still worked. When you have bad coaching and bad kicking there are no good options and 2-3 record is representative of that.
 
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