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Here is a perfect example of what has happened to UM football from a staff perspective. Look what we had and look where we are:

Jimmy: Became Cowboys HC
Wanny: Became Bears and Dolphins HC
Butch: Became Cowboys DC and Browns HC
Dave Campo: Became Cowboys HC
Gary Stevens: Became Dolphins OC
Hubbbard Alexander: Became Cowboys WR Coach
Tony Wise: Became Cowboys OL Coach
Joe Brodsky: Became Cowboys RB Coach

And oh by the way Coach O and Tommy Tuberville were grad assistants with Coach O handling the D line I would think that is one of the top college staffs of all time. You’d need a calculator to count the rings!
 
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There is nothing usual for a head coach to bring many members of his current staff with him when he gets a pro head coaching job, or even
if the move is lateral, Stevens, Alexander, Wise, and Brodsky. Weinst., Butch, and Campo continued on successfully.
 
Bernie 2-0 said:
Here is a perfect example of what has happened to UM football from a staff perspective. Look what we had and look where we are:

Jimmy: Became Cowboys HC
Wanny: Became Bears and Dolphins HC
Butch: Became Cowboys DC and Browns HC
Dave Campo: Became Cowboys HC
Gary Stevens: Became Dolphins OC
Hubbbard Alexander: Became Cowboys WR Coach
Tony Wise: Became Cowboys OL Coach
Joe Brodsky: Became Cowboys RB Coach

And oh by the way Coach O and Tommy Tuberville were grad assistants with Coach O handling the D line I would think that is one of the top college staffs of all time. You’d need a calculator to count the rings!
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it's not just the number of guys who went on, but how good they were as UM position coaches:

Wanny: Probably the Best LB coach in UM history (Tubberville was a dirtbag, but he knew LB's. So did Randy Shannon, despite his record as HC).
Butch: Harold Allen was the Best DL coach, but Butch was up there (top 3)
Dave Campo: As DB coaches, he and Chuck Pagano were the top ones at UM. Wesley McGriff was really good too
Gary Stevens: Had his flat spots, but was very good as a college OC (top 3-4 at UM, even though he cost us the Fiesta Bowl against PSU)
Hubbbard Alexander: He and Curtis Johnson were the best as WR coaches. Hubbard was a good recruiter as well. CJ was not
Tony Wise: As OL coach, he was as good as they come. And Chris Vagotis was great
Joe Brodsky: Best.RB.Coach.Ever. (Soldinger knew RB's, but was pretty miserable as a recruiter, so he's no. 2. Tommie Robinson is up there as well)
 
rch said:
There is nothing usual for a head coach to bring many members of his current staff with him when he gets a pro head coaching job, or even
if the move is lateral, Stevens, Alexander, Wise, and Brodsky. Weinst., Butch, and Campo continued on successfully.
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Jimmy made demands and was able to bring 6 guys with him, very uncommon when moving from college to the league. That being said, the success of that staff may be unparalleled.
 
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Bernie 2-0 said:
Here is a perfect example of what has happened to UM football from a staff perspective. Look what we had and look where we are:

Jimmy: Became Cowboys HC
Wanny: Became Bears and Dolphins HC
Butch: Became Cowboys DC and Browns HC
Dave Campo: Became Cowboys HC
Gary Stevens: Became Dolphins OC
Hubbbard Alexander: Became Cowboys WR Coach
Tony Wise: Became Cowboys OL Coach
Joe Brodsky: Became Cowboys RB Coach

And oh by the way Coach O and Tommy Tuberville were grad assistants with Coach O handling the D line I would think that is one of the top college staffs of all time. You’d need a calculator to count the rings!
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BooYah!!! You just nailed it. Coaching matters ...
 
Swampcity said:
BooYah!!! You just nailed it. Coaching matters ...
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That 88 UM Staff was in a class of its own, and as RedSquare stated above, Tony Wise, Joe Brodsky and Hubbard Alexander were all great coaches who were very successful at UM and the Cowboys. Coach Ax was one of UM’s greatest assistants and was a better person than coach.
 
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Jimmy was an absolute genius at evaluating talent of all types.

**** MacPherson at Syracuse was right behind him. Dave Campo, Jeff Stoutland, George O'Leary, Paul Pasqualoni, Scott Pioli, Clarence Brooks, Randy Edsall, George DeLeone, Jim Tressel. Ken Conatser, and Tony Wise
 
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RedSquare said:
it's not just the number of guys who went on, but how good they were as UM position coaches:

Wanny: Probably the Best LB coach in UM history (Tubberville was a dirtbag, but he knew LB's. So did Randy Shannon, despite his record as HC).
Butch: Harold Allen was the Best DL coach, but Butch was up there (top 3)
Dave Campo: As DB coaches, he and Chuck Pagano were the top ones at UM. Wesley McGriff was really good too
Gary Stevens: Had his flat spots, but was very good as a college OC (top 3-4 at UM, even though he cost us the Fiesta Bowl against PSU)
Hubbbard Alexander: He and Curtis Johnson were the best as WR coaches. Hubbard was a good recruiter as well. CJ was not
Tony Wise: As OL coach, he was as good as they come. And Chris Vagotis was great
Joe Brodsky: Best.RB.Coach.Ever. (Soldinger knew RB's, but was pretty miserable as a recruiter, so he's no. 2. Tommie Robinson is up there as well)
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Harold Allen was the Best DL coach ✅
 
Ironmanfootball said:
Jimmy was an absolute genius at evaluating talent of all types
**** MacPherson at Syracuse was right behind him. Dave Campo, Jeff Stoutland, George O'Leary, Paul Pasqualoni, Scott Pioli, Clarence Brooks, Randy Edsall, George DeLeone, Jim Tressel. Ken Conatser, and Tony Wise
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Good call. Tressel was very close to getting the UM job when Butch was hired. Going thru an ugly divorce at the time and removed himself from contention, it was down to Tress and Butch and that is from multiple board members and YSU AD Joe Malmisuer who had given UM the go ahead
 
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Bernie 2-0 said:
Good call. Tressel was very close to getting the UM job when Butch was hired. Going thru an ugly divorce at the time and removed himself from contention, it was down to Tress and Butch and that is from multiple board members and YSU AD Joe Malmisuer who had given UM the go ahead
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Did Jim's wife try to trade her engagement ring for some tattoos?
 
RedSquare said:
it's not just the number of guys who went on, but how good they were as UM position coaches:

Wanny: Probably the Best LB coach in UM history (Tubberville was a dirtbag, but he knew LB's. So did Randy Shannon, despite his record as HC).
Butch: Harold Allen was the Best DL coach, but Butch was up there (top 3)
Dave Campo: As DB coaches, he and Chuck Pagano were the top ones at UM. Wesley McGriff was really good too
Gary Stevens: Had his flat spots, but was very good as a college OC (top 3-4 at UM, even though he cost us the Fiesta Bowl against PSU)
Hubbbard Alexander: He and Curtis Johnson were the best as WR coaches. Hubbard was a good recruiter as well. CJ was not
Tony Wise: As OL coach, he was as good as they come. And Chris Vagotis was great
Joe Brodsky: Best.RB.Coach.Ever. (Soldinger knew RB's, but was pretty miserable as a recruiter, so he's no. 2. Tommie Robinson is up there as well)
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Good breakdown, but gary stevens didn't cost us that game, cb testa was almost the sole reason , 5 picks, and instead of handing the ball off to highsmith who got us down their, he changed the play to a pass. There is a reason you barely here other players mention his name. While crime dogg was definitely a good db coach, as well as Chuck and campo, coach mark stoops says hello.

And most definitely tommie robinson, was real solid as the running backs coach, coach sol definitely gets the 1st place trophy.
 
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Calvin said:
Good breakdown, but gary stevens didn't cost us that game, cb testa was almost the sole reason , 5 picks, and instead of handing the ball off to highsmith who got us down their, he changed the play to a pass. There is a reason you barely here other players mention his name. While crime dogg was definitely a good db coach, as well as Chuck and campo, coach mark stoops says hello.

And most definitely tommie robinson, was real solid as the running backs coach, coach sol definitely gets the 1st place trophy.
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Joe Brodsky sends his best! Mark Stoops had good years here, he literally wanted to fight Porter after the game. Said in an interview after the game that they let us push and shove both sides all game, Including the blatant push off by Jenkins on fourth and 14th and then they throw that nickel **** flag Not exact wording, Stoops boys are intense
 
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rch said:
There is nothing usual for a head coach to bring many members of his current staff with him when he gets a pro head coaching job, or even
if the move is lateral, Stevens, Alexander, Wise, and Brodsky. Weinst., Butch, and Campo continued on successfully.
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Not to mention the second generation of NFL HCs Butch put out.
 
Brethren; I made a post very similar to this months ago. I said if u look at our staffs from 83 - 2001 were full of guys where the NFL, CFB, or start up football leagues were trying to or did pluck. Now? Go look at Coker’s staff once Butch’s guys defected. Go look at Shannon, Golden, Richt, and Manny’s staff, last year, & u’ll notice a common theme.
 
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