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**** Kelly did Notre dame dirty he didn't even tell his players they found out on Twitter and kelly didn't even wait for a counter offer makes you hmm lol.. he wanted out I'm guessing but went by it the slimy way
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
The cost of college skyrocketed bc the government got involved in loans and number of administrators keeps rising along with their salaries. Add that to new construction and you get we have now. Tax payers are footing that bill.

Athletic budgets don’t support schools, they are almost completely separate entities.

To simplify my point, athletics aren’t there to support the school. They are there to be self sufficient and pay for themselves. They are there to attract students and gain exposure to the school.
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The optics are terrible and getting worse.

Fast forward ten to twenty years. Just take current trends to their inevitable conclusions. A state college coach will be the highest paid "employee" of the state, with an annual salary equal to or in excess of CEO's of major multinational corporations. Select players will make near NFL salaries per NIL deals, with a source of potential tension being whether they should be required to take classes at all. But regardless, they'll be driving around campuses not in Saban lease specials, but in Bentleys and Ferraris. They'll have large entourages to accompany them as they go to class. Certain colleges will have what can best be described as athletic palaces. Player exclusive amenities will abound, aside from food and workout facilities. Player only entertainment centers, pools (wave or otherwise), rollercoasters, laser tag ect.

Meanwhile college tuition will continue to go up at an escalating rate. Non-athletic students will see the spending, will see the player exclusive luxury facilities and start to really wonder what all of this is for. And then it will start to get political. And when that happens, we'll get the Great College Football contraction, as schools begin to drop the sport.

We're going to look back on these years as a late-stage Guilded Age for CFB.
 
GojiraCane said:
The optics are terrible and getting worse.

Fast forward ten to twenty years. Just take current trends to their inevitable conclusions. A state college coach will be the highest paid "employee" of the state, with an annual salary equal to or in excess of CEO's of major multinational corporations. Select players will make near NFL salaries per NIL deals, with a source of potential tension being whether they should be required to take classes at all. But regardless, they'll be driving around campuses not in Saban lease specials, but in Bentleys and Ferraris. They'll have large entourages to accompany them as they go to class. Certain colleges will have what can best be described as athletic palaces. Player exclusive amenities will abound, aside from food and workout facilities. Player only entertainment centers, pools (wave or otherwise), rollercoasters, laser tag ect.

Meanwhile college tuition will continue to go up at an escalating rate. Non-athletic students will see the spending, will see the player exclusive luxury facilities and start to really wonder what all of this is for. And then it will start to get political. And when that happens, we'll get the Great College Football contraction, as schools begin to drop the sport.

We're going to look back on these years as a late-stage Guilded Age for CFB.
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H you life overvaluing players. Is anyone a millionaire yet? Bryce Young is supposedly close and Quinn Ewers got that supposed big deal, but after the Rattler thing, people are gonna be careful spending their money on these kids. It won’t explode like most people think. I bet you 85% or more of kids haven’t seen a dollar yet.

Beach coaches are already the highest paid public employee in most states. Doesn’t rake a lot honestly. $500k does it almost everywhere.

As for tuition rates, stop hiring 75 people for diversity and inclusion departments. Stop paying people $100k to give a speech on safe spaces and race. Stop paying admin people $200k when they have 9 people under them that do their job. Get government out of loans. Make it harder to get loans and make it worse when people default on them. You might not like that answer but it’s the truth.
 
Hurricane4lyfe said:
**** Kelly did Notre dame dirty he didn't even tell his players they found out on Twitter and kelly didn't even wait for a counter offer makes you hmm lol.. he wanted out I'm guessing but went by it the slimy way
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I wouldn’t want to be a grad assistant at LSU right now with him coming on board and the way the wind can blow in the storms they get there.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
H you life overvaluing players. Is anyone a millionaire yet? Bryce Young is supposedly close and Quinn Ewers got that supposed big deal, but after the Rattler thing, people are gonna be careful spending their money on these kids. It won’t explode like most people think. I bet you 85% or more of kids haven’t seen a dollar yet.

Beach coaches are already the highest paid public employee in most states. Doesn’t rake a lot honestly. $500k does it almost everywhere.

As for tuition rates, stop hiring 75 people for diversity and inclusion departments. Stop paying people $100k to give a speech on safe spaces and race. Stop paying admin people $200k when they have 9 people under them that do their job. Get government out of loans. Make it harder to get loans and make it worse when people default on them. You might not like that answer but it’s the truth.
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1. Show us the "75-person Diversity and Inclusion Department", and it better not be from Ohio State or UCF.
2. Speech fees come from activity/program fees, not tuition.
3. Any organization can pay an administrator that has 9 people working under him/her. Have you ever seen a corporate org chart? Not exactly a model of efficiency.
4. Loans are not what is driving this. Besides, a huge component of student loans (until recently) involved for-profit universities like the University of Phoenix and ITT Tech. Miami was still jacking up the tuition 9.9% PER YEAR when student loans were capped at $2,500 per year.
 
Lol;

1. LSU hired a guy who’s been the BCS Championship game & two CFP appearances in the past 8 yrs, on the verge of a 3rd CFP this yr.

2. We’re gushing over two guys that have zero of this on their resume, yet somehow LSU over paid?

Lol. Kelly’s contract is 10 yrs/$95m. If he hits certain bench marks, then bonuses kick in.

To put this in perspective, LSU hired an accomplished coach w/ a base salary of $9.5m…The University of Miami paid a total sum for 1st yr, journeymen DC w/ no HC experience coming off a 7-6 season, $9.5m in his 1st yr here, per allocation docs provided on this site. Lol. Some of ya’ll man. Yeeeeesh.
 
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Hurricane4lyfe said:
**** Kelly did Notre dame dirty he didn't even tell his players they found out on Twitter and kelly didn't even wait for a counter offer makes you hmm lol.. he wanted out I'm guessing but went by it the slimy way
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Kelly is a slimeball.

He bolted on Cincinnati after the best season in school history, a week or so before their biggest bowl game ever, Sugar Bowl vs. UF/Meyer/Tebow. His justification was recruting (couldn't wait a week, as if ND doesn't sell itself), and he paid a $2M buyout (ND did...).

Kelly is a dirtbag.

He'll fit right into the $EC culture.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
1. Show us the "75-person Diversity and Inclusion Department", and it better not be from Ohio State or UCF.
2. Speech fees come from activity/program fees, not tuition.
3. Any organization can pay an administrator that has 9 people working under him/her. Have you ever seen a corporate org chart? Not exactly a model of efficiency.
4. Loans are not what is driving this. Besides, a huge component of student loans (until recently) involved for-profit universities like the University of Phoenix and ITT Tech. Miami was still jacking up the tuition 9.9% PER YEAR when student loans were capped at $2,500 per year.
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He was specifically talking about state schools. Private schools are an entirely different category.

Speech/training fees come from the university when it buys training programs that teachers and admin people have to sit through. That is subsidized by tax payers. Just like those outrageous salaries are. And yes loans are enabling the price hikes bc so many federal loans are given out and the schools aren’t on the hook for them. If the schools were held responsible, less loans would be given out and less defaults would occur.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
H you life overvaluing players. Is anyone a millionaire yet? Bryce Young is supposedly close and Quinn Ewers got that supposed big deal, but after the Rattler thing, people are gonna be careful spending their money on these kids. It won’t explode like most people think. I bet you 85% or more of kids haven’t seen a dollar yet.

Beach coaches are already the highest paid public employee in most states. Doesn’t rake a lot honestly. $500k does it almost everywhere.

As for tuition rates, stop hiring 75 people for diversity and inclusion departments. Stop paying people $100k to give a speech on safe spaces and race. Stop paying admin people $200k when they have 9 people under them that do their job. Get government out of loans. Make it harder to get loans and make it worse when people default on them. You might not like that answer but it’s the truth.
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Let’s put the player payment aside, because those are valid points. NIL is new enough where we don’t know how it will shake out in a decade.

College tuition on the other hand will not be stabilizing. There is no reason for it to, until we get to the point where students can no longer pay or the federal government begins to foot public tuition. In the case of the latter, then you might start to see some cost control eventually as it would then become a tax issue for the entire populace.

We’ll see
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Here’s something I don’t think we’ve discussed: at what point are we overpaying for Mario? Obviously very few (if any) know the details of the contract and if it’s changed given last night’s whirlwind, so what do you think he deserves?
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Theoretically speaking, anything over $7-8mill a year is overpaying for any coach that’s never been to the playoffs.

But due to the circumstances, Miami has no choice but to overpay.

If Ruiz, Mas & Lemonis are willing to pay whatever, I hope Mario milks them for a $12-15mill a year contract.

If he takes anything less than 10.5 per, he’s low balling himself, make them MF’ers pay as much as you can possibly get & then some. If they’re convinced he’s the guy, then they have to pay him, he holds all the leverage, he needs to take full advantage of it & them.
 
Liberty City El said:
Theoretically speaking, anything over $7-8mill a year is overpaying for any coach that’s never been to the playoffs.

But due to the circumstances, Miami has no choice but to overpay.

If Ruiz, Mas & Lemonis are willing to pay whatever, I hope Mario milks them for a $12-15mill a year contract.

If he takes anything less than 10.5 per, he’s low balling himself, make them MF’ers pay as much as you can possibly get & then some. If they’re convinced he’s the guy, then they have to pay him, he holds all the leverage, he needs to take full advantage of it & them.
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He needs to make certain he can get his staff. It does Mario or Lane no good to get a $15M per year contract and then have no money for assistants.
 
GojiraCane said:
He needs to make certain he can get his staff. It does Mario or Lane no good to get a $15M per year contract and then have no money for assistants.
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That’s where I’m at too. I would love to see what they want to spend the “$20-30 million” on. Bc if you plan on building a new part to the weight room or locker room upgrades, half of that is immediately gone. Need 15 of it for a complete staff and analysts etc, assuming Mario doesn’t demand 10-12
 
GojiraCane said:
He needs to make certain he can get his staff. It does Mario or Lane no good to get a $15M per year contract and then have no money for assistants.
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If they can afford to pay him over $10mill a year, they can afford the assistants too.
 
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TemplarCane said:
Kelly is a slimeball.

He bolted on Cincinnati after the best season in school history, a week or so before their biggest bowl game ever, Sugar Bowl vs. UF/Meyer/Tebow. His justification was recruting (couldn't wait a week, as if ND doesn't sell itself), and he paid a $2M buyout (ND did...).

Kelly is a dirtbag.

He'll fit right into the $EC culture.
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And I suspect he'll be giving Orgeron like seasons but without the lightning in a bottle 2019.
 
This is such an example of just how warped and wrong all of this is. BK has not won a NC and Add Mel Tucker after one season too!
Just crazy....and we will feel it in ticket costs, booster donation levels, access fees, prices in general.

just out of control
 
JD08 said:
And I suspect he'll be giving Orgeron like seasons but without the lightning in a bottle 2019.
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Kelly is a better coach than Orgeron. Kelly has the most wins and most consecutive 10-win seasons in ND history. He's a POS but I have to give him credit where due.
 
TemplarCane said:
Kelly is a better coach than Orgeron. Kelly has the most wins and most consecutive 10-win seasons in ND history. He's a POS but I have to give him credit where due.
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I don't see him winning it all. I could be wrong, but we'll see.
 
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