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craval85 said:
As usual you're placing importance on all of the wrong numbers-just like with hoe *** recruiting rankings. A much better barometer to judging offensive efficiency & productivity, is S&P+ ratings. In the future learn to be humble, and expand your horizons. It'll serve you well-maybe not on wall st, but in all other aspects of your life it will.

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S&P+ offensive ratings for 2018.
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What difference does “ last years” stats even mean.They have different people just like we have different people on O.especially on the Oline.

Hate to say it but if they had the same offensive line as last year putting up last nights stats the game might not have been close.They lost pretty much their whole Oline and we couldn’t do anything with a bunch that was touted as bad or worse than ours.Id hate to think that if they had “ last years” Oline how much time Franks would have had back there.

Never understood about comparing things to last year when all things on both side of the ball have all changed..
 
jjacks93 said:
I agree with everything you said , I wouldn’t say our D dominated, but at the same time, unforced errors are just a part of the game and will happen **** near every game. Although I think Rousseau played a factor in that 1st INT, he flashed inside on a stunt and made Franks think he had to throw it higher than he did . Even with their DEs wreaking havoc and with all of our unforced penalties and mistakes (which if you tally them all up we had much more than they did) , we still outgained them

But on the other side of the coin their offense was also gifted the ball on the 11 yard line, a blatant false start on a key 4th down was ignored, a bs pass interference call, and there were multiple missed holds and also a missed delay of game call . All benefits for their offense .
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Agreed
 
Canes305acc ball said:
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what happened to jw and enos freaking suck we in trouble should let Martell play or Perry we had a offense of curse
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I’m not sure why Tate wasn’t allowed to throw the ball to keep them honest. He would’ve served well b/c there’s no game film on him in this capacity, especially.

The first script was cool, but all these false starts, holding, players not knowing when the snap count was....I mean, come on. The refs had a major hand, but we kept shooting ourselves time & time again.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m not sure why Tate wasn’t allowed to throw the ball to keep them honest. He would’ve served well b/c there’s no game film on him in this capacity, especially.

The first script was cool, but all these false starts, holding, players not knowing when the snap count was....I mean, come on. The refs had a major hand, but we kept shooting ourselves time & time again.
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Yeah but the offense is on the QB he not ready to lead
 
There's lot to be said but lets see how these guys respond in two weeks. I think the future is bright under Diaz. This loss hurts but it's not nearly as bad as losing to teams like Duke and Pitt which is the direct result of having the OLine and depth issues we have.

These fools need to leave the dolls and jewelry at home. The gimmicks are played out. Just show up to the game and play football.

And for the love of God, stop comparing these jags to UM greats and hall of famers. JT4 and Santana Moss aren't in the same stratosphere. I love me some Shaq but he isn't half the LB Denzel Perryman is. And the most overrated DLine I've ever heard about.
 
craval85 said:
FYI..UF had the 15th ranked Offense in the country last yr. We held them to 304 total yds, 50 yds rushing, and forced 4 TOs.
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UF 2018 is different than UF 2019. Miami was one of the worst offenses last yr; that had 0 to do w this yr. Its not even the same UF team. Their OL was completely different. No Scarlett, No Cleveland, No Taylor, No Stephens.

Bruh, u r comparing apples to oranges. This was a different UF team than 2018.
 
Rellyrell said:
UF 2018 is different than UF 2019. Miami was one of the worst offenses last yr; that had 0 to do w this yr. Its not even the same UF team. Their OL was completely different. No Scarlett, No Cleveland, No Taylor, No Stephens.

Bruh, u r comparing apples to oranges. This was a different UF team than 2018.
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Yeah..I don't think you have ANY CLUE as to what you're talking about. They returned their starting QB, best RB, all of their WRs, and most importantly they kept their entire coaching staff on that side of the ball in-tact: but yet somehow you're still trying to advance the argument that its an apples to oranges comparison?? FOH. The apples to oranges comparison..is trying to equate the level of turnover on MIA's offense to UFs - only a dumbass would do that. At the conclusion of the season when UF once again finishes in the top 20 on offense..what will you say then? If you had any self-respect you would stop posting on this forum forever, but of course you don't have the heart or guts to do that.

Also..the only clowns are the individuals in this hoe *** fanbase who spend an inordinate amount of time discussing trivial things like alternate football jerseys/uniforms, turnover chains, & touchdown rings-things that have no bearing whatsoever on W's & L's.
 
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KWConch said:
What difference does “ last years” stats even mean.They have different people just like we have different people on O.especially on the Oline.

Hate to say it but if they had the same offensive line as last year putting up last nights stats the game might not have been close.They lost pretty much their whole Oline and we couldn’t do anything with a bunch that was touted as bad or worse than ours.Id hate to think that if they had “ last years” Oline how much time Franks would have had back there.

Never understood about comparing things to last year when all things on both side of the ball have all changed..
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1st of all YOU or anyone for that matter don't really know how bad their offensive line is compared to last yrs unit. What some hoe *** prognosticators said about them going into this season..doesn't mean ****.

2nd of all..the reason why it's 100% appropriate to compare their offense to last yrs unit which finished 15th in the country is because they returned their..STARTING QB, BEST RB, ALL OF THEIR WRs, and MOST IMPORTANTLY THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF ON THAT SIDE OF THE BALL. Only a moron would think that the level of turnover/change that MIA experienced on offense is comparable to theirs. I'm curious to know..what you and your friends on this hoe *** forum are going to say, when UF once again finishes in the top 20 on offense? Knowing ya'll I'm sure you guys will come up with another excuse and say"MIAs defense only played well against them because it was the 1st game" huh?? Smh
 
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craval85 said:
Yeah..I don't think you have ANY CLUE as to what you're talking about. They returned their starting QB, best RB, all of their WRs, and most importantly they kept their entire coaching staff on that side of the ball in-tact: but yet somehow you're still trying to advance the argument that its an apples to oranges comparison?? FOH. The apples to oranges comparison..is trying to equate the level of turnover on MIA's offense to UFs - only a dumbass would do that. At the conclusion of the season when UF once again finishes in the top 20 on offense..what will you say then? If you had any self-respect you would stop posting on this forum forever, but of course you don't have the heart or guts to do that.

Also..the only clowns are the individuals in this hoe *** fanbase who spend an inordinate amount of time discussing trivial things like alternate football jerseys/uniforms, turnover chains, & touchdown rings-things that have no bearing whatsoever on W's & L's.
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Their best RB was Scarlett. Scarlett missed games and still almost had the same production of Perine. And who gives af about their QB! Wtf r u even talking about?? U talking the dude that was benched several times last year? Lol. Naw blood; it’s u who don’t know wtf u talking bout. U bringing up last yrs stats and last yr don’t mean a **** thing. UF lost their OL, DL, and Safeties. They had a DB playing on one leg last night.

This whole time we’ve been talking about how this ain’t the same UF team and our DL should eat their inexperienced OL, yet yo dumb *** is trying to cape up bringing us some Mosaic stats from 2018 to excuse why we didn’t do just that. Sick & tired of u “Johnny that-a-boy” fans who look to excuse chit.

I can excuse Jarren, what I can’t excuse is how tf we got no pressure on an experienced line. What I can’t excuse is why is a four yr starting LB continuing to take wrong angles and making wrong reads. What I can’t excuse is y in YEAR 4 UNDER MANNY can we still not fcking tackle??! What I can’t excuse is how do we continue to trot out Jeff Thomas on punt returns. What I can’t excuse is y in tf is Osborne used on ANY sweeps? What I can’t excuse is y is Mallory beasting in practice, but disappearing in games? U answer those ?’s for me, then we can talk. If u can’t, then don’t @ me, blood.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Lets take baby steps and start scheduling Pac-12 teams first. Then we can move up to big 12 teams.
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In either event, let's get rid of the Wagners, Charlestown Southerns and Savannah States. I'm not even keen on the FIUs and FAUs. The tune-ups should at least be MAC level (or similar) to give them credible reps.
 
Dghustla said:
I’m just not sure what anyone expected. It’s not excuses it’s fact.

Go back and look at the history, of first time starters, first time coaches and first time OC, ....then add in new Tackles and you have the recipe for what you saw last night. What makes it sting as a canes fan is that we’ve seen this same
Act over and over as we’ve burned through coach after coach.

Every example you gave of a freshman is a kid on a stacked team littered with 4 and 5 star talent. By your own admission you said our guys are not elite so what is the comparison.

And also revisionist history at his best. Trevor Lawerence WAS TRASH in his 1st start @Home vs Cuse last year. Dude was shell shocked and eventually got knocked out of the game. At the time ppl were saying he low key quit. Dabo was shook and had to defend the kid after the game. The kid rebounded and the rest is history.

I agree with you Shaq...dude has missed more sacks that anyone I can remember.

And toughness I don’t know what you define as tough. I saw a lot toughness in many areas of this team. Our QB took double digit sacks never held his head down and kept standing the pocket. He was almost too poised maybe if he was a little rattled and he would have threw to his check down.

We held a very physical running team in check with only our front I consider that toughness.

We battled through adversity and gave ourself a chance to win, I would consider that showing mental toughness.


Point is this. We will never have an elite team without earning it on the field. We aren’t going to risk and aren’t capable of out bidding teams for players. So we Are going to have growing pains.

I’m not high I’m not low. Unfortunately it takes time. UNC will be more telling than this game.
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It been a long time since we've been able to do that.
 
NorthEastCane said:
In either event, let's get rid of the Wagners, Charlestown Southerns and Savannah States. I'm not even keen on the FIUs and FAUs. The tune-ups should at least be MAC level (or similar) to give them credible reps.
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If you want my honest opinion. I think we should start the season with a G5 game to warm us up and let the coaches work the kinks out without having to worry to much about losing. I think a MAC or a MWC team would be perfect. No way we should schedule an AAC team, since some of them have legit shots of beating us, especially if we come out cold.

Then play an FCS team later in the season and use it basically as a bye week.

Then play 2 pac-12 teams. No way in **** should we schedule an SEC or B1G team because they will roll us unless we pick a bottom feeder like Rutgers. Then in a few years we could move up to scheduling Big 12/pac 12 teams. Then way later on we can start with the B1G then SEC teams.
 
Mnhurricane said:
We have 0 elite players on the team and the closest to it by a mile is Brevin.
JT and Mallory were jags on the big stage last night I hope that changes going forward.
Plus we dominate the gaytor drive 1 then abandon that style for PA fakes with an OL who couldn’t block at all.
I would be livid if I were pope and Hightower.
Wow does our DL get overrated. They got manhandled most of the day
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I've stated in the past we throw around elite too loosely around here and have been called out on it. But just because they're not elite doesn't make them Jags. There's a lot of gray area in between. We a little too quick throwing people under the bus.

And I don't see how you can call the DL overrated and manhandled. The just shut down a power running team to what to 52 yards using just the front four. You may prefer the splash plays like sacks or tackles for loss but that's what they were asked to do and they dominated. If anything gripe about the coaching strategy even if it gives us less chance to win.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
If you want my honest opinion. I think we should start the season with a G5 game to warm us up and let the coaches work the kinks out without having to worry to much about losing. I think a MAC or a MWC team would be perfect. No way we should schedule an AAC team, since some of them have legit shots of beating us, especially if we come out cold.

Then play an FCS team later in the season and use it basically as a bye week.

Then play 2 pac-12 teams. No way in **** should we schedule an SEC or B1G team because they will roll us unless we pick a bottom feeder like Rutgers. Then in a few years we could move up to scheduling Big 12/pac 12 teams. Then way later on we can start with the B1G then SEC teams.
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I don't mind an SEC or Big 10 team. We need a litmus test to see were we stand. If we lose so be it. But not the first game of the year. We're not built for it like we used to be. Towards the end of September, before the conference schedule kicks in would be perfect.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
I don't mind an SEC or Big 10 team. We need a litmus test to see were we stand. If we lose so be it. But not the first game of the year. We're not built for it like we used to be. Towards the end of September, before the conference schedule kicks in would be perfect.
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The thing is beating a pac or Big 12 team will be better for recruits than losing to a B1g or SEC team. Once we have the horses I am down, but right now its foolish imo.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing through my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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Best analysis I’ve read after the game. Thanks for keeping it 💯, Relly.

Manny was quoted as saying that we played a top ten team really good. In what universe was that **** show anywhere near good?

The worst OL performance that I have ever witnessed at the U. Awful would be a kind word to describe it.

Jarren can be the truth. Just has to be taught to throw the ball away when nothing is there. I feel for the kid having to play behind those dudes.

Enos has got to make adjustments when **** ain’t working. Saw nothing that was encouraging as far as going to a max protect, or even chipping the DE with a TE.

Going full spread would have forced the Gates into some tough decisions, and would have made them change their defensive looks and aggressiveness.

We didn’t use uptempo at all. Another staph that so far doesn’t get it. You have stud athletes, you have to let them hunt. We have the athletic advantage in O over most teams. Use the spread to create mismatches all over the field. With this OL, they might just get JWill seriously hurt.
 
Rellyrell said:
Def played well; we couldn’t flip the field, but don’t get it twisted, UF had a poor showing as well. Those two fumbles? Those weren’t forced. That 1st int? That was a **** poor throw over a wide open WR. We got zero back field penetration dang near all game; although I’m wondering y Rosseau wasn’t in, b/c he was getting penetration.

My point is, if u go back & watch the game u’ll see that UF shot itself in the foot several times v. our def dominating like we had. As mentioned, our 2ndary was solid af, and kudos to Rumph and Banda.
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They couldn’t run the ball at all. We missed a FG, dropped a TD, and muffed a punt that led to a TD for them. We gave them the game.
 
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