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clevelandcane81 said:
The refs certainly didn't help. Pi on blades but no call on jordan. The play clock ran out on one of the 4th downs and they didn't call. The false start on another 4th that kept their drives going. The missed fg and the muff hurt as well. Couldn't believe the missed tackles we had. But the biggest fail was the oline. Maybe we need to bring back kehoe back to help out. Never seen a Cane team give up 10 sacks. What the ****
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You had me until Kehoe. Agree with everything else. We’ve got to give Butch Barry more than one road game to show what he can do with a very young line.

That first drive last night was poetry, watched it again as I finally fell asleep. We’re going to be ok.
 
I can not for the life of me fathom why teams with ****tier o lines move the ball and score points and we cant.
I can not understand why a qb doesn’t understand how to throw the ball away.
I don’t think we have to worry about enos leaving.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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you are right about overhyping are players. Jeff Thomas is perfect example. elite athlete not elite player.

our LB's have always been overrated. Huff and Brooks are probably the most talented kids we had since DP.

Pope has a problem remember the playbook

i disagree. this team showed toughness and heart. mainly the defense who has been under manny for 3 years.

there was some positive, as you said our DB's looked good. Hall, Amari, Gil, look like they have improved.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
You had me until Kehoe. Agree with everything else. We’ve got to give Butch Barry more than one road game to show what he can do with a very young line.

That first drive last night was poetry, watched it again as I finally fell asleep. We’re going to be ok.
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10 of their pts came from refs. the first TD they missed two calls. The one FG came after they missed the false start on 4th and 5.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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Even on Florida's first touchdown Bandy was being held, you can see when he finally got away from the blocker he still was pulling the back of his jersey!
 
nycane said:
10 of their pts came from refs. the first TD they missed two calls. The one FG came after they missed the false start on 4th and 5.
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I was screaming that live, no one around me seemed to see it, so I’m glad to hear so many on here confirm what I saw with my own eyes live from the upper God **** deck. Don’t know how the **** they missed that. Also missed a delay of game on them too.
 
nycane said:
you are right about overhyping are players. Jeff Thomas is perfect example. elite athlete not elite player.

our LB's have always been overrated. Huff and Brooks are probably the most talented kids we had since DP.

Pope has a problem remember the playbook

i disagree. this team showed toughness and heart. mainly the defense who has been under manny for 3 years.

there was some positive, as you said our DB's looked good. Hall, Amari, Gil, look like they have improved.
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And Frierson was in at corner on that long TD pass. If Ivey isn’t suspended, that play probably doesn’t happen. I know, it’s what if’s, but still, just saying.
 
CaneMonster said:
I know most of you guys are judging based on a standard but that won't happen until we schedule SEC teams year in year out like Clemson did to build their program to an elite level. I wish we played in the Atlantic division so we can play against Clemson every year. I remember how FSU used to spank Clemson every season and they took it like men and learned from it. They play South Carolina every year, Auburn some years, as well as UGA to get a feel of what it means to play SEC teams. The ACC Coastal has lowered our level of play significantly. We're built like an Coastal ACC team, weak and inferior to the other big conferences and that's including the Atlantic Division teams. We have to get Bethune Cookman, FIU, FAU, and the MAC teams the **** off our schedule and I mean fast. The Coastal has enough cupcakes in it for crying out loud.
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Great points all around. "Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are" we keep ******** around with these weak teams OOC teams and then playing weak coastal schools and that's who we become.

We need to get uncomfortable and toughen up the schedule if we are going to take the step up
 
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Dghustla said:
I’m just not sure what anyone expected. It’s not excuses it’s fact.

Go back and look at the history, of first time starters, first time coaches and first time OC, ....then add in new Tackles and you have the recipe for what you saw last night. What makes it sting as a canes fan is that we’ve seen this same
Act over and over as we’ve burned through coach after coach.

Every example you gave of a freshman is a kid on a stacked team littered with 4 and 5 star talent. By your own admission you said our guys are not elite so what is the comparison.

And also revisionist history at his best. Trevor Lawerence WAS TRASH in his 1st start @Home vs Cuse last year. Dude was shell shocked and eventually got knocked out of the game. At the time ppl were saying he low key quit. Dabo was shock him for. The kid rebounded and the rest is history.

I agree with you Shaq...dude has missed more sacks that anyone I can remember.

And toughness I don’t know what you define as tough. I saw a lot toughness in many areas of this team. Our QB took double digit sacks never held his head down and kept standing the pocket. He was almost too poised maybe if he was a little rattled and he would have threw to his check down.

We held a very physical running team in check with only our front I consider that toughness.

We battled through adversity and gave ourself a chance to win, I would consider that showing mental toughness.


Point is this. We will never have an elite team without earning it on the field. We aren’t going to risk and aren’t capable of out bidding teams for players. So we Are going to have growing pains.

I’m not high I’m not low. Unfortunately it takes time. UNC will be more telling than this game.
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Agree with almost all your points with the exception that UNC will be more telling. That game will only make us think we are better than we really are, playing better teams (e.g UF) gives us a more accurate gage of where we are as a team. I do like the fact that the team didn't quit even though our OL was abused all game.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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I made a post last week about our PB core and people from the board tore into me like I don’t know what I’m watching
 
Rambodesambo said:
Agree with almost all your points with the exception that UNC will be more telling. That game will only make us think we are better than we really are, playing better teams (e.g UF) gives us a more accurate gage of where we are as a team. I do like the fact that the team didn't quit even though our OL was abused all game.
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I was speaking more to, the fact that we if we don’t crush a team like that after a pretty strong showing (minus the insane blunders) that we are bigger trouble.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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can't argue with anything in your post, but this is partucurly on point.
 
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g8rh8rMD said:
You had me until Kehoe. Agree with everything else. We’ve got to give Butch Barry more than one road game to show what he can do with a very young line.

That first drive last night was poetry, watched it again as I finally fell asleep. We’re going to be ok.
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Please.

Kehoe makes Butch Barry look like the second coming of Monte Clark.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had to wait late to post this; simply b/c of pure anger flowing threw my blood.

This was the classic “giving the game away” moment. Ya’ll know I keeps it 💯 w no homerism in game, so here’s my take from today’s game.

1. Can we please stop using the term “elite” w any of our players? Elite don’t miss tackle after tackle. Elite don’t drop TDs or muff punts in clutch moments. Elite don’t give up 10 sacks and an ungodly amount of QB pressure. Elite doesn’t allow a make shift OL to give a rattled-by-nature QB time to just throw the ball at will. Our young men are good, but not elite.

2. I’m not sure why Enos didn’t pull Jarren to the side and just tell him it’s OK to throw the ball out of bounds. Him holding on to the ball for literally 5-6 secs was inexcusable.

3. Will Mallory....he’s beginning to look like a Green Tree All American.

4. Shaq and Pinckney, extremely disappointed in them. I’m still waiting for Shaq to show me something in big games.

5. The DBs by far looked like the best coached unit, which is ironic b/c it’s so thin.

6. Bravo Mr Dallas; hats off to you! Helluva game by that boy!

7. ST is still broken in all facets. Ridiculous

8. UF tried to give us the game & we refused to take it.

9. Where tf is Pope???!!

10. The refs absolutely sucked. While they didn’t lose us the game, they certainly killed momentum and gave UF momentum several times by either calling bad PIs, missing blatant holds, calling holds on us that weren’t there (see Harris’ run) or missing a false start that was extremely egregious. Yet, they didn’t miss a beat on any resemblance of an infraction on us.

11. I’m tired of the talking. I didn’t see toughness; I saw confusion, and an ill-prepared team, and that was on both sides. Had we played against an actual good team w an offense, we would’ve got lit up, legit.

12. Get rid of the Turnover Knuckles. It’s weak & corny af! I don’t care if we would’ve won the game. The gimmicks r too much! It showed on & off the field. We’re beginning to look like clowns. The chain, in general, is losing its mystique and that happens when you’re continuing to lose & momentum is not shifting, despite the TOs.

Listen, I don’t want to hear this was Jarren’s 1st game, excuse. We have ample sample sizes now w Tua, Winston, Hurts, Manziel, & of course, Lawrence. These kids r coming out balling, despite youth & inexperience. The fact is, Jarren needs help; and unfortunately no matter how talented he may be, this OL is an unmitigated disaster. E

Yesterday was a mess on both sides of the coin. The trenches can no longer be filled w 3 star guys; in order to be back, the trench must be flushed w elite caliber players, not just Green Tree All Americans.
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If you don't think Bandy and Jordan are Elite then you need to stop watching football and go play chess.
 
craval85 said:
FYI..UF had the 15th ranked Offense in the country last yr. We held them to 304 total yds, 50 yds rushing, and forced 4 TOs.
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UF Returned their top 6 WRs, a 3rd year QB, and all their RBs, and TEs - with a PROVEN NC OC/QB coach. They got less than 2 yards per carry - and 66 passing yards off of one terrible tackling play.

They AVERAGED 45 points down the stretch last year. I don’t celebrate losses. I fugging hate the Gaytors. But, folks are going overboard with their criticism.
 
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