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LuCane said:
I watched the Gates play a few times last year, but can't say I'm close to being an expert on their roster. I know one of the big things to look for is they lost basically their entire OL. With only a month or so remaining, going to be posting about our matchups a lot more and watching all of their games. In the first game I watched, I noticed there were 4 OL from last year's unit who are now gone. Here are the dudes who'll supposedly comprise their new OL unit:

Stone Forsythe - Former 3 star in class of 2016, RS Junior, has some starts sprinkled in over his career, but all at RT.
Brett Heggie - Former 3 star in class of 2016, RS Junior, some starts under his belt from 2017, has been injured on and off for last couple years, did get game action in most of their games last year
Nick Buchanan - Former 3 star in class of 2015, RS Senior, the lone returning starter (12 games) from last year's unit, former 3 star, not the biggest dude you'll see lined up at center.
Noah Banks - Dude's a transfer from Iowa Western College, RS Senior. *** This is apparently Chris Bleich. Banks has a medical issue and may not be cleared. Bleich is also a former 3 star.
Jean Delance or Richard Gouraige - Both former 4 stars. Delance is from class of 2016; Gouraige is from class of 2018. Delance is a former transfer from Texas, played in a handful of games last year. Gouraige took a redshirt last year.

Good chance I missed something since I only now began checking out the matchup with this disgusting program. Nonetheless, this matchup with our DL and blitz packages likely is the #1 or #2 key determinant for 08/24.

On the surface, it's a plus matchup for us because we get Garvin against a dude who's mostly played RT and has minimal career starts on one side, and Hill/Rousseau/Patchan against whoever they choose to settle in to their RT spot. Inside, one thing I'm afraid of early in the season would be big, mauling OL like Wiscy going up against Bethel, Ford, Nesta and company. Luckily for us in this game, I wouldn't necessarily call label their OL as "big and mauling." I'm sure we're likely gonna get hit with some misdirection and hope Blake Baker can clean up some of it, but if you're as excited for 08/24 as I am, this is a key matchup to dig in on.

If you know more or can add to info about 08/24 matchup(s), please post here...
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While I cant add anything specific to this thread, I did spend some time with a few gator buds over the weekend. They are EXTREMELY confident. Expecting a 17 point easy win. Of course, I wouldn't expect anything less from them. Hopefully this isn't an LSU repeat
 
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rayray said:
both offensive lines will be at a severe disadvantage... the interesting wrinkle to me is that manny should know mullen's offense from the inside and mullen the same with manny's defense. i don't know who that benefits but it makes the match up when we're on defense a little different than when we're on offense where grantham will be going in blind vs enos.
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I think it benefits Diaz because the shot-in-the-dark hope is Baker brings an added perspective rather than mirror exactly what Manny has done. For example, I can see us utilizing a ton of 4-2-5 with Hill, Rousseau and Garvin all on the lineup. But, in order to get there, we'll need to stop their run game on early downs. If we can somehow get solid play from our DTs and some level of discipline from our LBs against what seems like a fairly average interior OL from the Gates, Franks should have a disproportionately difficult time on 3 and 7+.

I'm usually a big gambler and lean toward aggression on defense, but I don't think this is the game to over-utilize the zone blitz. Play their front straight up and see what happens.
 
d--1 said:
All 3 of the Big 3 schools are looking at major O Line questions that will likely set the course for the type of season each will have. I'll be honest, I don't know much about the guys UF will be rolling out on 8/24, but O line is more about player development than signing top prospects (in most cases), IMO. So I won't discount their abilities just b/c you see a bunch of ⭐⭐⭐ guys on their 2 deep. Definitely a huge position to watch for both Miami and UF once camp opens next week.
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The stars matter as a basis for evaluating certain prospect talents/attributes. I generally agree with your take, but if we were trotting out a bunch of first time starters who are both older and former 3 stars, without knowing more (which I don't yet), I'd be concerned. That's why, in my original post, I wrote "on the surface."
 
Poptimus said:
I sure hope so. Our LT spot does not inspire confidence, are we starting a freshman? I think we both will have trouble against each DL but that's where I think Enos can help mask deficiencies by utilizing Realus and it's also why I think Martell ends up starting for us. I don't see any QB necessarily head and shoulders above the other and if that's the case, the most mobile QB should get the nod.
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Florida d-line isn't all that. They aren't bad but they aint great either. There best d-linemen is DE zuniga and that could be a problem if nelson does start at LT.
 
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I wouldn't start Nelson at LT on 08/24, but I don't have the information the coaches do. From the outside, seems far more reasonable to roll with Scaife's talent and experience at that spot at such an early stage. Someone has to step up at RT. If someone does, I'm confident Enos can vary his run game and sets enough that our guys won't be playing on their heels along the interior.
 
LuCane said:
I wouldn't start Nelson at LT on 08/24, but I don't have the information the coaches do. From the outside, seems far more reasonable to roll with Scaife's talent and experience at that spot at such an early stage. Someone has to step up at RT. If someone does, I'm confident Enos can vary his run game and sets enough that our guys won't be playing on their heels along the interior.
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That's the issue. There is nobody at RT other than scaife. It's a problem to me that nelson was able to come in and pass up campbell and herbert that quickly.

I'm actually good with the interior of donaldson, gaynor, and if reed starts at rg. 3 big strong physical dudes who can hopefully open up some holes in the run game.
 
LuCane said:
I wouldn't start Nelson at LT on 08/24, but I don't have the information the coaches do. From the outside, seems far more reasonable to roll with Scaife's talent and experience at that spot at such an early stage. Someone has to step up at RT. If someone does, I'm confident Enos can vary his run game and sets enough that our guys won't be playing on their heels along the interior.
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Yeah I’d rather start scaife at left tackle and possibly work Nelson into the game on certain drives depending how it goes in game 1
 
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I think we will match up well against their O line. Should be able to cause disruption and hopefully some turnovers from the pressure. That being said the one thing that does concern me, is even though most of them were not starters most are upper class men that have been there for three or more years. Generally thats when O linemen do their best in college is the junior and senior years. But this is the match up im looking forward to the most.
 
LuCane said:
I wouldn't start Nelson at LT on 08/24, but I don't have the information the coaches do. From the outside, seems far more reasonable to roll with Scaife's talent and experience at that spot at such an early stage. Someone has to step up at RT. If someone does, I'm confident Enos can vary his run game and sets enough that our guys won't be playing on their heels along the interior.
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Just a question but if Nelson were a 5 star would you feel comfortable starting him that week 1?
 
Poptimus said:
Both teams' offensive lines will likely be significantly overmatched. I think a key difference and benefit for us is that we'll utilize Realus George to help block whereas UF doesn't use a FB.
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I don't agree with that a FB isn't going to really change the OL issues he's meant to get to the second and pick up LBs not take on DTs getting through the line. Florida uses spacing to compensate for the OL issues so there's less hats in the box and in turn less possibilities for a multiple guys coming free. Think the key for Miami will be tackling/angles in those light boxes cause u miss one and now it could be a problem
 
LuCane said:
The stars matter as a basis for evaluating certain prospect talents/attributes. I generally agree with your take, but if we were trotting out a bunch of first time starters who are both older and former 3 stars, without knowing more (which I don't yet), I'd be concerned. That's why, in my original post, I wrote "on the surface."
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Oh, don't disagree. When we're talking about guys who have seen little to no action, it's definitely relevant and honestly there isn't much else to go on. I like how you approached it.
 
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MS11 said:
Just a question but if Nelson were a 5 star would you feel comfortable starting him that week 1?
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No. It's not binary like 5 star = yes and lesser rated prospect = no. When I even mention stars, it's because there is a basis for athletic profile. For Nelson to be a 5 star, maybe that means he would have come in at 310. If he came in at 310 and was already more polished from a technique standpoint, it'd be a different decision making process.
 
Who cares who they got on their o-line, hopefully they have five 1st team all sec starters, that way our d-line will be forced to consistently play at a high level plus we getting close to being back to this anyway so its not gone matter:
 
Poptimus said:
Both teams' offensive lines will likely be significantly overmatched. I think a key difference and benefit for us is that we'll utilize Realus George to help block whereas UF doesn't use a FB.
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Agreed. I foresee a lot of 20/21/22 personnel in this game.
 
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verobeachcane said:
I think we will match up well against their O line. Should be able to cause disruption and hopefully some turnovers from the pressure. That being said the one thing that does concern me, is even though most of them were not starters most are upper class men that have been there for three or more years. Generally thats when O linemen do their best in college is the junior and senior years. But this is the match up im looking forward to the most.
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It's an interesting point. Would you rather a lesser athlete who's been in the system for longer but has not started or a better athlete who's younger?
 
LuCane said:
No. It's not binary like 5 star = yes and lesser rated prospect = no. When I even mention stars, it's because there is a basis for athletic profile. For Nelson to be a 5 star, maybe that means he would have come in at 310. If he came in at 310 and was already more polished from a technique standpoint, it'd be a different decision making process.
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Okay cause for me it's none of the other candidates have real game experience either so and I'm sure the coaches didn't think Nelson would be the guy when he first got on campus so I think he had to perform far above everyone else to be in the position he's in. My guess is he's our best option even if he has some growing pains
 
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