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I wonder if TVDs mechanics have been impacted at all by working with coaches outside the program and then having to try to roll back into what Ponce/Gattis want him to do. Like you said he doesn’t look comfortable or natural back there like he did last year. As you mentioned, we don’t know what...

Bump.

Fair enough sir. I loved every hire up until this point, but we shall see, hoping for the best. Your Giants are in much better hands now with Daboll, that’s for sure.

Well, the 5 mock drafts I looked at all had Jones going in the first round so they were right with that prediction. Again, to get back on topic, Jones was developed by Cutcliffe, once he lost his coach he started to blow in the NFL. Ponce hasn’t even had a Qb he’s coached make an NFL roster but...

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2827208-2019-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-latest-3-round-picks-with-one-month-to-go.amp.html This is the only mock draft I can find that the giants don’t take Jones in the top 15. In this draft the redskins take Jones at 15. He was going first round no...

He still put them in a position to get drafted and to hang on NFL rosters. Easier said than done. Name another coach who had 3 QBs drafted in the top 10 of the first round in 3 different decades.

Who did he develop at App state? Taylor lamb was basically the same guy all 4 years under Ponce. Chase Brice’s improvement can easily be attributed to going down to the sun belt from the ACC.

It doesn’t matter what year it is? We are talking about 2020 and 2021. You were trying to argue that Brice received better coaching from Ponce when Cutcliffe was a year removed from turning a QB who looks completely lost in the NFL into a top 10 pick because of how he developed him while he was...

But he was because Cutcliffe developed into a QB that NFL teams believed they could build around.

Because Thad played 8 years in the NFL and Tee was drafted, something a Ponce coached QB has never done.

So from 2018 when Cutcliffe coached Daniel Jones who absolutely blows now into a top 10 pick (while Ponce has never had a QB drafted) to 2020 when he coached chase Brice…he lost all of his coaching ability in a 1 year span?

Not at all, I love every hire so far, but people are making Ponce out to be something he’s not. He’s only here because he’s from Miami and him and Mario are friends.

Yes the same David Cutcliffe who developed Peyton Manning, tee Martin, Eli manning, Thad Lewis, and Daniel Jones and is regarded as one of the most highly respected QB coaches in football history? Yes that David Cutcliffe

Are you trying to say frank Ponce is a better QB coach than Brandon Streeter who has directly coached Taylor Heinecke at ODU and deshawn Watson and Trevor Lawrence at Clemson? And a better QB developer than David Cutcliffe? Brice played better because he went from the ACC to the sun belt.

Some great spin zones going on in here. App states offense scored 10 points against Miami and 16 points in 2021. So either 1. Diaz’s defense is good, 2. ponce stinks, or 3. it’s because of the talent gap. 1. We all know Diaz’s defense isn’t good unless it’s generating turnovers. 2. Ponce...