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Saban walked into a program coming off sanctions at Bama and a roster with literally zero NFL talent. Manny is not walking into a rebuild like that. Based off everything you posted above, 9-3 is what we should all be looking at as the barometer. 9-3 and playing in Charlotte has to be the goal...

Well then that is failure. That’s all I’m saying. 4 losses is a failure. There is no other way to spin it.

His coaching arc is he is a **** glorified trainer for QB’s right now. He trains high school kids haha. He sucks.

Mark was asleep at the wheel worse than Coker. Something wasn’t right with him mentally. He has to be going through something with his health because his decision making was awful.

Worse than Patrick Nix?

I don’t think he should be fired at 8 wins but nobody should be ok with that. I think we win 9 games and that would be a success and likely mean we win the coastal. We got to win the coastal this year.

Or the coaching. It’s 9 wins or bust.

But last year we had Rosier and an dead man walking at head coach. So it is not equal from top to bottom with our roster and staff.

You are agreeing with me that 4 losses is failure! Those past seasons are failures and those coaches all got fired for being terrible. There is no way to spin 4 losses and it’s unacceptable. If manny is a legit coach, he doesn’t let sorry *** teams with less talent beat him. Will it happen at...

What 4 teams have better talent than us that we play? Please name them.

No manny isn’t gone at 8-4 but his leash would be short. The recruiting class would fall apart and we would continue this death spiral of average.

I typically am on the negative said and called it last year before it started that the team was high overrated and we had a terrible QB and line. This year I don’t agree with you. We have elite talent this year and multiple guys who will be drafted off this team. If he doesn’t win 9 games, he is...

Agreed but even with a lose to them, we shouldn’t lose 3 others. Max is 3 loss season or it’s a failure! There is no explaining it any other way for me to agree.

That’s why I expect 2-3 losses but not 4. I’m going to guess our losses are Florida, F$U and one other random coastal team. I just don’t see us losing 4. That would be disastrous because we could beat both FSU and Florida so where are all these other losses coming from?

Anything less than 9 wins with this schedule is considered a failure. I understand he is a first year head coach, but we have better talent top to bottom than everyone on our schedule besides Florida and arguably FSU. There is no team in the coastal that has the roster talent we have. I’m tired...