Vernon on Hurtt, Hill, Pannunzio (Re Shapiro)

Feb 26, 2012

Olivier Vernon, who received the stiffest penalty of any of the UM players punished by the NCAA last August, told a few reporters at the NFL Combine on Saturday that "the person recruiting me introduced me to Nevin Shapiro." I asked him who that person was. "It was Clint Hurtt," he said. "And Aubrey Hill. I hold no grudges [toward them] but I feel if they knew the type of person he was, they shouldn't have introduced me to him."

Vernon has told both the NCAA and NFL teams that Hurtt and Hill introduced him to Shapiro.

Vernon isn't the only player who told the NCAA that former UM assistants took them to Shapiro, which will be problematic for UM (and potentially those assistants) when the NCAA decides its punishment. At least one current player blamed Joe Pannunzio. Hurtt is now at Louisville, Pannunzio at Alabama and Hill at Florida.

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[]_[]Fan2010

Feb 27, 2012

You guys remember how many players were in Shannon's doghouse? For example, Streetee was in it all the time. I wonder if that was him dealing with it

Shogungts

Feb 27, 2012

[]_[]Fan2010;286407 said:
You guys remember how many players were in Shannon's doghouse? For example, Streetee was in it all the time. I wonder if that was him dealing with it

Um, except how many of those players that were suspended for the MD game and beyond were in his doghouse? And if that really was his way of dealing with it, he is even dumber than I thought, but I really dont think it was. He either didnt know it was going on or conveniently didn't know it was going on.

bathtubgin

Feb 27, 2012

Dingaan1828 said:
bathtubgin said:

No, it's not. Lack of institutional control generally involves higher ranking school employees (compliance people, or a head coach, for instance) being aware of a problem and doing nothing about it, not having the proper steps in place to monitor these things, etc. Low ranking employees, like assistant coaches, acting on their own isn't really what LOIC is for.

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This makes me wonder. What did Shannon actually DO about it? He apparently knew about it for years. Beyond verbally warning people, what did he do?

This is just a guess, but Hurtt going to Louisville probably was due to this, at least in part.

Shogungts

Feb 27, 2012

bathtubgin said:
Dingaan1828 said:

bathtubgin said:

No, it's not. Lack of institutional control generally involves higher ranking school employees (compliance people, or a head coach, for instance) being aware of a problem and doing nothing about it, not having the proper steps in place to monitor these things, etc. Low ranking employees, like assistant coaches, acting on their own isn't really what LOIC is for.

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This makes me wonder. What did Shannon actually DO about it? He apparently knew about it for years. Beyond verbally warning people, what did he do?

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This is just a guess, but Hurtt going to Louisville probably was due to this, at least in part.

That would seem to make sense, but didnt Hill stay on after that? Maybe Hurtt took it too far or Shannon didnt know about Hill?

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Dingaan1828

Feb 27, 2012

Shogungts said:
bathtubgin said:

Dingaan1828 said:

bathtubgin said:

No, it's not. Lack of institutional control generally involves higher ranking school employees (compliance people, or a head coach, for instance) being aware of a problem and doing nothing about it, not having the proper steps in place to monitor these things, etc. Low ranking employees, like assistant coaches, acting on their own isn't really what LOIC is for.

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This makes me wonder. What did Shannon actually DO about it? He apparently knew about it for years. Beyond verbally warning people, what did he do?

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This is just a guess, but Hurtt going to Louisville probably was due to this, at least in part.

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That would seem to make sense, but didnt Hill stay on after that? Maybe Hurtt took it too far or Shannon didnt know about Hill?

Hill and Panunzio stayed. I thought the HC had to get this stuff reported to the NCAA, not just move it up the line and throw your hands up (hey, I tried). How many people think Paterno's reporting it to the next guy up in the chain was good enough? Either you are in charge or you aren't. It amazes me that Shannon gets a free pass on this cause "he tried".

bathtubgin

Feb 27, 2012

Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

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Dingaan1828

Feb 27, 2012

bathtubgin said:
Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

I have not read one single word critical of Shannon in all of this on multiple sites. That's a free pass.

I'm not saying you're giving him a free pass. I'm saying not one person has called him out on this. Not one.

SmokeyRone

Feb 27, 2012

Dingaan1828 said:
bathtubgin said:

Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

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I have not read one single word critical of Shannon in all of this on multiple sites. That's a free pass.

I'm not saying you're giving him a free pass. I'm saying not one person has called him out on this. Not one.

It was on Shannon. I said it all along.

At best, he was as unaware of what his people were doing as he was unaware of the score, time on the clock, downs and yardage, etc during games.

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CaneHammer

Feb 27, 2012

How in the **** do you have the players locked down Gestapo style but have zero clue potentially damaging rules being broken...

SmokeyRone said:
Dingaan1828 said:

bathtubgin said:

Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

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I have not read one single word critical of Shannon in all of this on multiple sites. That's a free pass.

I'm not saying you're giving him a free pass. I'm saying not one person has called him out on this. Not one.

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It was on Shannon. I said it all along.

At best, he was as unaware of what his people were doing as he was unaware of the score, time on the clock, downs and yardage, etc during games.

kendallcanes

Feb 28, 2012

I think I will have a hard time rooting for Vernon in the pros. Something with this last year with him kind of turned me off.

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ICANEDOIT

Feb 28, 2012

CaneHammer said:
How in the **** do you have the players locked down Gestapo style but have zero clue potentially damaging rules being broken...

SmokeyRone said:

Dingaan1828 said:

bathtubgin said:

Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

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I have not read one single word critical of Shannon in all of this on multiple sites. That's a free pass.

I'm not saying you're giving him a free pass. I'm saying not one person has called him out on this. Not one.

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It was on Shannon. I said it all along.

At best, he was as unaware of what his people were doing as he was unaware of the score, time on the clock, downs and yardage, etc during games.

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Hats indoors = bad.

Assistant coaches taking players/recruits to crooked booster = OK.

Dude was a complete weirdo.

VinnDogg

Feb 28, 2012

No coach,parent,AD, girlfriend,roomate or anyone else can keep tabs on another person 24/7. Shannon has many many faults for sure. But from all accounts so far it seems like he was the only one concerned about Shapiro to the point where he was warning players and staff. Bash him when it's time and give him credit when it's due.

JimmyJohnsonsHair

Feb 28, 2012

CaneHammer said:
How in the **** do you have the players locked down Gestapo style but have zero clue potentially damaging rules being broken...

SmokeyRone said:

Dingaan1828 said:

bathtubgin said:

Who's giving Shannon a free pass?

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I have not read one single word critical of Shannon in all of this on multiple sites. That's a free pass.

I'm not saying you're giving him a free pass. I'm saying not one person has called him out on this. Not one.

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It was on Shannon. I said it all along.

At best, he was as unaware of what his people were doing as he was unaware of the score, time on the clock, downs and yardage, etc during games.

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Thank you. I'm glad people are finally discussing this and getting past the "Shannon ran Shapiro away from the program" meme. The freaking head of recruiting was taking loans from Shapiro and introducing recruits to him. Somehow Shannon was oblivious to all that while he was monitoring fan comments on internet message boards.

tsimonitis

Feb 29, 2012

My concern is that Shannon found out about Hurtt and Shapiro and fired Hurtt but then failed to report it as a self-violation. That could bite us in the *** as well.

bathtubgin

Feb 29, 2012

tsimonitis said:
My concern is that Shannon found out about Hurtt and Shapiro and fired Hurtt but then failed to report it as a self-violation. That could bite us in the *** as well.

this is a very valid concern. If it comes out that Shannon actually knew his coaches were dealing with Shapiro, and did not report it, we gon' get raped.

valid

Feb 29, 2012

Shannon isn't the smartest guy around, but I don't think he's dumb enough to fire Hurtt for a major violation and then not report anything.

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[]_[]Fan2010

Feb 29, 2012

valid said:
Shannon isn't the smartest guy around, but I don't think he's dumb enough to fire Hurtt for a major violation and then not report anything.

+1...while I'm glad he's gone from a football perspective, I really doubt he knew about the Shapiro stuff and I doubt he turned a blind eye. Apparently our compliance was good enough for Shapiro to want to fight the guy heading it up and RS gone on record numerous times for issuing warnings to stay away from the guy. Just wait to see what the NCAA says. Maybe I'll eat these words, but I really doubt Shannon knowingly had any knowledge of this stuff. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but most of this happened during the recruitment (which is a big no-no) of these guys, right? How is RS or any coach for that matter supposed to keep an eye on players not even on campus?

buckit

Feb 29, 2012

I really believe Shannon's dislike for the guy was purely personal. Midget wanted Shannon fired and Shannon didn't like it. End of story.

SFbayCane

Feb 29, 2012

Am I the only one who does not fault Olivier Vernon for his comments? The dude was a 18 year old kid when the coaches at his college introduced him to a dude that threw bene's his way. Then a couple years later the University acts like he's a bad seed for taking bene's from said dude. Now he's trying to earn a job and is willing to speak in an effort to clear his name. I cannot fault him for any of this.

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CaneHammer

Feb 29, 2012

I do not fault the kids much if at all. I do not blame him for talking at all. Besides, it is a bunch of message board freaks that are making him out to be a bad seed not the university. He does not have a gag order on him. My beef is where in the **** is Shannon when this stuff is going home. I also believe the brunt of the punishment should be given to coaches on these things.

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