Paranos said:

Cubana said:

I think a team like Miami allows itself to be divided within the recruiting game when it says, "We are going to put a fence around SoFl" publicly. That right there kills you. Today these statements causes an unconscious division between Miami's Recruiters and top prospects outside Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. Believe it or not, it plays right into, "UM favors local kids more" which causes kids from outside those county's to look else where first and develop a little hate for our program. And then you wonder how come a kid like JC would choose Florida first over Miami when Immok is right next door and around the corner.

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The state of Miami aka putting a fence around south Florida: is the entire area from I-4 south to the keys which includes Collier County ( that is where JC Jackson is from). Find a map and you will this area produces the most FBS players in the country. Miami's tradition was built with these players. Every program says publicly they need to win the battle for recruits in their backyard then supplement from Out of State.

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The State of Miami from yesterday means exactly what you described the map to be. However, today's version of the State of Miami the map only depicts the trio-county area in the minds of most people that don't immerse themselves in Miami's recruiting like you and I. You can look at the posts within this thread and others on this site to confirm what is referenced today as it relates to the State of Miami. You will find that many posters specifically refer to Dade, Broward and Palm Beach as the place to be secured.

With that said, you pointed out that every program says publicly that they need to win the battle for recruits in their backyard then supplement from "Out of State". So then, why would Miami do itself a disservice by creating another state within a state?

Miami should consider the entire state to be its backyard.

South Florida produces most NFL draftees in past three years - NFL.com

This was from the 2014 drat Analysis, this why UM needs to focus on home first, 2nd, and 3rd. **** one year Miami Central HS had 11 kids sign FBS offers.

The South Florida area (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) has produced 57 NFL draft picks over the last three years, more than any metropolitan area in the nation, according to scout.com. Top players from this year's draft who come from the area include Minnesota Vikings first-round pick Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina Panthers first-rounder Kelvin Benjamin and St. Louis Rams second-rounder Lamarcus Joyner.

Miami's Dade County, with a heavy concentration of upper-classification high schools, produced 27 of South Florida's 57 picks.

The Los Angeles area ranked second with 42 picks over the last three drafts, followed by Dallas/Fort Worth (27), Houston (26) and Metro Atlanta (22). Not surprisingly, state rankings over the same period reflected a similar theme. Florida led the way with 104 draft picks, followed by California (84) and Texas (82)

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Paranos said:

South Florida produces most NFL draftees in past three years - NFL.com

This was from the 2014 drat Analysis, this why UM needs to focus on home first, 2nd, and 3rd. **** one year Miami Central HS had 11 kids sign FBS offers.

The South Florida area (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) has produced 57 NFL draft picks over the last three years, more than any metropolitan area in the nation, according to scout.com. Top players from this year's draft who come from the area include Minnesota Vikings first-round pick Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina Panthers first-rounder Kelvin Benjamin and St. Louis Rams second-rounder Lamarcus Joyner.

Miami's Dade County, with a heavy concentration of upper-classification high schools, produced 27 of South Florida's 57 picks.

The Los Angeles area ranked second with 42 picks over the last three drafts, followed by Dallas/Fort Worth (27), Houston (26) and Metro Atlanta (22). Not surprisingly, state rankings over the same period reflected a similar theme. Florida led the way with 104 draft picks, followed by California (84) and Texas (82)

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Now, How may of those recruits that you quoted enrolled at the University of Miami? When you brake down the data it will tell you why you still need to recruit the State and not just the Tri-County area.

DMoney said:

GaCane1213 said:

There are good players in the region. But there are players like Trey Blount outside the region that we need to pursue as well

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Agreed but we should leave the region for difference-makers only. Build the foundation locally.

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That has to be the formula. South Florida first, rest of state, OOS. In the end you will always end up with a mix that is about 50/50. Current team is no different. Kids from OOS still want to come here, which is amazing. Next year Kaaya, Berrios, Cager, Young, Elder, AQM, Jenkins, Njoku, Dobard, Edwards and Badegely, Odogwu and willis will all start or play alot. roughly 50%.

Please sticky this [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] so we can refer to it easily during the year.

Cubana said:

Paranos said:

South Florida produces most NFL draftees in past three years - NFL.com

This was from the 2014 drat Analysis, this why UM needs to focus on home first, 2nd, and 3rd. **** one year Miami Central HS had 11 kids sign FBS offers.

The South Florida area (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) has produced 57 NFL draft picks over the last three years, more than any metropolitan area in the nation, according to scout.com. Top players from this year's draft who come from the area include Minnesota Vikings first-round pick Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina Panthers first-rounder Kelvin Benjamin and St. Louis Rams second-rounder Lamarcus Joyner.

Miami's Dade County, with a heavy concentration of upper-classification high schools, produced 27 of South Florida's 57 picks.

The Los Angeles area ranked second with 42 picks over the last three drafts, followed by Dallas/Fort Worth (27), Houston (26) and Metro Atlanta (22). Not surprisingly, state rankings over the same period reflected a similar theme. Florida led the way with 104 draft picks, followed by California (84) and Texas (82)

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Now, How may of those recruits that you quoted enrolled at the University of Miami? When you brake down the data it will tell you why you still need to recruit the State and not just the Tri-County area.

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You really don't need to recruit the state, there's no reason why 16-18 of our signees every shouldn't be from Tampa/Orlando/Daytona beach to the the keys. Then you cherry pick from Louisiana, Jacksonville, Pensacola, Georgia, and Texas that's the way it was when butch was here. Cubana's right to a point, most people on this board are too "South Florida", I've said it a thousand times we should be on SFL like white on rice but this isn't the late 70's when schnellenburger took over, everyone knows how loaded SFL is with talent so keeping every one of the top tier guys home is unrealistic and we can get more talent following the principle butch followed which was top tier in Miami/Broward/palm beach come first but so is the kid in Lakeland, cocoa, or Bradenton if he's better than the SFL guys at his position. This doesn't have anything to do with DMoney's lists because you can only report what you see and hear but for the est of the board to put blinders on and narrow themselves to SFL is crazy.

Cubana said:

Paranos said:

South Florida produces most NFL draftees in past three years - NFL.com

This was from the 2014 drat Analysis, this why UM needs to focus on home first, 2nd, and 3rd. **** one year Miami Central HS had 11 kids sign FBS offers.

The South Florida area (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) has produced 57 NFL draft picks over the last three years, more than any metropolitan area in the nation, according to scout.com. Top players from this year's draft who come from the area include Minnesota Vikings first-round pick Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina Panthers first-rounder Kelvin Benjamin and St. Louis Rams second-rounder Lamarcus Joyner.

Miami's Dade County, with a heavy concentration of upper-classification high schools, produced 27 of South Florida's 57 picks.

The Los Angeles area ranked second with 42 picks over the last three drafts, followed by Dallas/Fort Worth (27), Houston (26) and Metro Atlanta (22). Not surprisingly, state rankings over the same period reflected a similar theme. Florida led the way with 104 draft picks, followed by California (84) and Texas (82)

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Now, How may of those recruits that you quoted enrolled at the University of Miami? When you brake down the data it will tell you why you still need to recruit the State and not just the Tri-County area.

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Well in 2014 three UM players were drafted and in 2015 seven UM Players were drafted and with the exception of Seantrel Henderson all the rest where from South Florida.

Link to List of UM players Drafted over the years this doesn't include kids whom sign as Free Agents which UM has had alot of as well during that period.
Hurricanes Football: Canes in the NFL Draft - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

I will say this generally Miami should only need to leave the state on occasion to recruit O/D linemen.

Go Canes

So we should recruit South Florida?

Paranos said:

Well in 2014 three UM players were drafted and in 2015 seven UM Players were drafted and with the exception of Seantrel Henderson all the rest where from South Florida.

Link to List of UM players Drafted over the years this doesn't include kids whom sign as Free Agents which UM has had alot of as well during that period.
Hurricanes Football: Canes in the NFL Draft - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

I will say this generally Miami should only need to leave the state on occasion to recruit O/D linemen.

Go Canes

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Here is the analysis of the 2014 Data that you presented above.

Tri-County Area - There were 57 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 2 (3.5%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 55 (96.5%)

State of Florida (Including Tri-County) - There were 104 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 2 (2%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 102 (98%)

State of Florida (The Rest Of The State) - There were 47 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 0 (0%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 47 (100%)

What does this mean? It means that the University of Miami is not winning anywhere be it the Tri-County Area, the State Of Miami or the State of Florida.

You just can't make this stuff up. The numbers don't lie. We as a University is doing no better recruiting the Tri-County and the State of Florida than any other Top Out Of State College or University. No wonder there are so many Out Of State Schools here. This is the difference and results of today's recruiting success vs the Schnellenberger days.

Today Miami is short on D1 talent at DT, CB and WR. And my analysis of the data tells us exactly where the top prospects in the state didn't enroll.

Cubana said:

Paranos said:

Cubana said:

Paranos said:

South Florida produces most NFL draftees in past three years - NFL.com

This was from the 2014 drat Analysis, this why UM needs to focus on home first, 2nd, and 3rd. **** one year Miami Central HS had 11 kids sign FBS offers.

The South Florida area (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) has produced 57 NFL draft picks over the last three years, more than any metropolitan area in the nation, according to scout.com. Top players from this year's draft who come from the area include Minnesota Vikings first-round pick Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina Panthers first-rounder Kelvin Benjamin and St. Louis Rams second-rounder Lamarcus Joyner.

Miami's Dade County, with a heavy concentration of upper-classification high schools, produced 27 of South Florida's 57 picks.

The Los Angeles area ranked second with 42 picks over the last three drafts, followed by Dallas/Fort Worth (27), Houston (26) and Metro Atlanta (22). Not surprisingly, state rankings over the same period reflected a similar theme. Florida led the way with 104 draft picks, followed by California (84) and Texas (82)

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Now, How may of those recruits that you quoted enrolled at the University of Miami? When you brake down the data it will tell you why you still need to recruit the State and not just the Tri-County area.

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Well in 2014 three UM players were drafted and in 2015 seven UM Players were drafted and with the exception of Seantrel Henderson all the rest where from South Florida.

Link to List of UM players Drafted over the years this doesn't include kids whom sign as Free Agents which UM has had alot of as well during that period.
Hurricanes Football: Canes in the NFL Draft - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

I will say this generally Miami should only need to leave the state on occasion to recruit O/D linemen.

Go Canes

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Here is the analysis of the 2014 Data that you presented above.

Tri-County Area - There were 57 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 2 (3.5%)
Missed to Other Schools 55 (96.5%)

State of Florida - There were 104 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 3 (2.9%)
Missed to Other Schools 101 (97.1%)

What does this mean? It means that the University of Miami is not winning anywhere be it the Tri-County Area, the State Of Miami or the State of Florida.

You just can't make this stuff up. The numbers don't lie. We as a University is doing no better recruiting the Tri-County and the State of Florida than any other Top Out Of State Collage or University. Know wonder there are so many here. This is the difference and results of today's recruiting success vs the Schnellenberger days.

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Talk about damning....

[MENTION=13789]GaCane1213[/MENTION] - I updated the state of Florida number because I counted Seantrel Henderson and he is not from Florida. The real number is really 2% Miami and 98% Out Of State which is like you said still damning.

This is exactly why Miami needs to keep more of the local talent home, by putting a better product on the field while developing the talent Miami does sign.

You proved my point there is ridiculous amount of talent in Miami's backyard. But Miami not having the $EC bagman and then underachieving on the field turns kids off from the UM brand to a certain extent. UM has still been able to sign a lot of very good players over the last 10 years. **** Mark Rights first class was predominately filled with Florida kids.

Go Canes

Go Canes

Paranos said:

This is exactly why Miami needs to keep more of the local talent home, by putting a better product on the field while developing the talent Miami does sign.

You proved my point there is ridiculous amount of talent in Miami's backyard. But Miami not having the $EC bagman and then underachieving on the field turns kids off from the UM brand to a certain extent. UM has still been able to sign a lot of very good players over the last 10 years. **** Mark Rights first class was predominately filled with Florida kids.

Go Canes

Go Canes

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We agree on the following:
Miami should secure it's backyard.
There is ridiculous amount of talent in the Tri-County Area.
Miami has underachieved on the field.
Miami has signed a lot of very good players over the last 10 years.

We disagree on the following:
Miami should consider the entire state its backyard.
Miami has missed on 100% of the top talent outside of the Tri-County Area.
Miami has missed on 96.5% of the top talent inside of the Tri-County Area.
Miami is getting the top talent in The State of Florida or Tri-County Area.
Mark Richt is recruiting the entire state as his backyard. (Keyword "Florida kids" Mark gets it - **** a fence).

You can't claim to have a backyard when you only get 2 of 104 or 2 of 57 of the top available recruits. When any and everyone can visit, camp, turn their dog loose to **** all over the place and leave. They call it a Public Park not a backyard.

DMoney said:

South Florida is overflowing with talent, and this year that talent is well-distributed. I can't remember better QB or OL classes. Wide receiver and defensive back are loaded as usual, and there is good depth in the front seven. The only weak position is running back.

Mark Richt has the opportunity to build the foundation of his first class without leaving the region.

Quarterbacks- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/canes/97260
Running backs- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/south-florida-17-rbs/97359
Wide receivers- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/canes/97390
Tight ends- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/south-florida-17-tes/97391
Interior OL- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/south-florida-17-interior-ol/97413
Defensive ends- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/canes/97511
Defensive tackles- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/south-florida-17-dts/97487
Linebackers- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/south-florida-17-lbs/97548
Safeties- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/recruiting/97612
Corners- https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/canes/97645

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D$ - Did you do a write up for Off. T? I see Guards...

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D$ - Did you do a write up for Off. T? I see Guards...

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Good catch. I fixed the OP. Thanks.

Cubana said:

We need to own the state of Florida. The economy has changed and pushed a lot of good talent to the Bay Area, Orlando, and J-ville. We can't walk around with blinders on thinking we just need to keep the fence in south Florida. We need to own the state like FSU and Florida. We have to let those two teams know who's boss again.

The State Is Ours!!!

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That's about 20-24 players from So Fla.
I'm good with that.

Cubana said:

Paranos said:

Well in 2014 three UM players were drafted and in 2015 seven UM Players were drafted and with the exception of Seantrel Henderson all the rest where from South Florida.

Link to List of UM players Drafted over the years this doesn't include kids whom sign as Free Agents which UM has had alot of as well during that period.
Hurricanes Football: Canes in the NFL Draft - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

I will say this generally Miami should only need to leave the state on occasion to recruit O/D linemen.

Go Canes

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Here is the analysis of the 2014 Data that you presented above.

Tri-County Area - There were 57 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 2 (3.5%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 55 (96.5%)

State of Florida (Including Tri-County) - There were 104 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 2 (2%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 102 (98%)

State of Florida (The Rest Of The State) - There were 47 NFL Caliber Prospects:
Actually Enrolled in to Miami 0 (0%)
Missed Recruit Attended Other Schools 47 (100%)

What does this mean? It means that the University of Miami is not winning anywhere be it the Tri-County Area, the State Of Miami or the State of Florida.

You just can't make this stuff up. The numbers don't lie. We as a University is doing no better recruiting the Tri-County and the State of Florida than any other Top Out Of State College or University. No wonder there are so many Out Of State Schools here. This is the difference and results of today's recruiting success vs the Schnellenberger days.

Today Miami is short on D1 talent at DT, CB and WR. And my analysis of the data tells us exactly where the top prospects in the state didn't enroll.

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Those numbers paint a very bleak picture of our ability to recruit effectively. Nobody can sugarcoat the facts. Our recruiting in general has been a complete and utter fail. It is inexcusable for UM to be short D1 quality players at WR and CB.

The good news is that those statistics are a direct reflection of Fat Albert's rank incompetence and that clueless loser has been removed from this program. I have every reason to believe that those numbers are going to paint a very different picture once Richt and staff get a few recruiting classes under their belts.

Recruiting today is a lot more national than it was 20 or even 10 years ago. Schnellenberger's "State of Miami" worked in the past but I'm not sure how feasible it is today.

[MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] Any chance we get a breakdown for '18?