Some thoughts on the Louisville loss

DMoney
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I know his name is poison on this board, and some of it for good reason, but Bud Elliott does make some good points at times. One reason for some pessimism on Miami in general is exactly what D mentioned. These middle of the road ACC home games, we get zero juice from the building. No, it’s not an excuse why we lost. And it’s literally never going to get any better, we just have to deal with it. But he (and he’s not the only one by any means) has pointed out that the home crowd atmosphere critique is two-fold. People say we have no home field advantage. That’s patently false. For the big games, it’s absolutely an advantage. ND and UiF were absolutely advantageous situations.

But for these ACC games, the building is largely dead, most notably at the start. Many, many other teams in the P4 (just about all of them, to be fair) get energy from the home crowds every single time out. To be blunt, we don’t. Elliott has pointed that out as a reason that we’ve traditionally struggled in these spots. We can all roll our eyes, and part of me does. At the end of the day, it’s your job to coach and play well, whether there’s 8 or 80,000 in the building. You’re literally paid to do it these days. But to completely ignore it as a factor is disingenuous at this point. It’s beyond a trend.

I’m sure this post will get negged, and that’s fine. It’s NOT the reason we lost. And again, this is probably pointless, because we’re never going to just make the place Nebraska or Death Valley for “******” ACC teams. There’s no solution, frankly. But I do think it contributes to the performance in some way. I wish there was some way to change it, but it’s never going to happen. We just have to find ways to win in the 1-2 times a year when we do come out flat (EVERY team does it), because we’re not going to get carried by the building in these underwhelming on-paper matchups.
I agree with most of what you say, but bot that "almost all" P4 programs get a significant amount of energy from the crowd each time out.

Most of our own conference does not. FSU's home crowds will be garbage the rest of this year, in case Bud hasn't watched enough of their games over the years to know that.
 
Ole Miss? What in the world does Ole Miss have to do with anything? You have a crystal ball? Ole Miss has 4 more real games to play. But you’re calling it now that the final decision will be Miami or Ole Miss? Let the **** play out, man. It works itself out 99.9% of the time. Ole Miss plays in Norman on Saturday. What if they lose 30-13? We have half a season left to play, what are we even doing here?
I don't think people haven't looked at the schedules, it's like they think everyone will have a 1 loss
most 2 loss power 4's will be
 
Ole Miss? What in the world does Ole Miss have to do with anything? You have a crystal ball? Ole Miss has 4 more real games to play. But you’re calling it now that the final decision will be Miami or Ole Miss? Let the **** play out, man. It works itself out 99.9% of the time. Ole Miss plays in Norman on Saturday. What if they lose 30-13? We have half a season left to play, what are we even doing here?
No it was a hypothetical. Do you know what a hypothetical is? Miami can go 11-1 and not make it if GT beats Lville in the ACC championship game. Based on how the committee operates and how much incentive there is to put an SEC or BIG10 school in over 3 ACC schools.
 
For someone who says just getting to the playoffs is a success, that Mike Norvell former OC made it to the playoffs last year as a 2nd year head coach.

Mario has never made a college playoff and I am really hoping we make it this year.

In the end, the loss doesn’t mean much if it’s the only loss and we make the playoffs but the track record of Mario leaves plenty of doubt and discounting that or dismissing it is disingenuous.
Fair. I am not discounting the skepticism. And you are right, Mario doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I just always think it is a bit disingenuous when we start pining away (not saying you are doing that, but some are) for coaches like Kenny Dillingham. If we had lost to Mississippi State in the second game of the year, this is board would be at 18 million posts and counting already and Mario would be slanging croquetas at Islas Canarias.

Good teams and good coaches lose games they shouldn't. I am not saying Mario is necessarily a good coach. I am not even saying we are a good team. But he has the arrow pointing in the right direction for once at this godforsaken program and for now, that is what matters most to me.
 
Lmao in what world would a 11-1 Miami team be left out of the playoff, we are literally ranked #9 right now so somehow we will win out and not looked at as one of the 11 best teams in the country ?
The world we live in where the committee is influenced by money more than merit and the conference we are in is not a priority.
 
The world we live in where the committee is influenced by money more than merit and the conference we are in is not a priority.
You’re being over dramatic after a bad loss I get it, but if we win out we will be in the playoffs, you can take that to the bank.
 
Correct on point one. Wildly incorrect on point 2. 11-1 Miami is in the playoff, easily. I don’t understand why some of you are failing to grasp this. It’s mid-October and there are SIX undefeated teams left. Six. Out of, what? 136? It’s really, really, really hard to go 12-0. Wanna know how many teams did it last year? One. There is going to be carnage for the next 6 weeks. There literally always is. ****, nine ranked teams lost JUST YESTERDAY.

Just win. I’d argue there’s a scenario where a 2-loss Miami gets in, depending on how things go. Didn’t we finish 13th last year, as a 10-2 team who didn’t go to Charlotte, and we beat literally no one good? We have wins over two Top 18 teams right now. ND very well might be in the Top 6 at the end of the year. It’s crazy to me how many people are so shortsighted when this **** is Groundhog Day every single year. There’s literally half the **** season to play still. Chill out with the certainties.
I don't think it's EASILY a playoff team in the scenario an 11-1 Miami *That misses out of the conference championship game*. That specific scenario is very weird and imo likely eliminates us unless the B1G just also only gets 3 teams in.

A 1 loss team in the SEC and B1G is an order of magnitude difference than a 1 loss team in the ACC or B12 - especially one that doesn't even play in their conference championship game. You can bet every dollar you have to your name the SEC is getting AT LEAST 4 teams in the CFP. Honestly 5 is firmly in the realm of possible to verging on likely. I mean as it stands the main hope FOR THAT SCENARIO is honestly that the B1G keeps crumbling (ND beating USC was big for us) and only gets 3 teams in. But they will 1000% get priority over a 2nd or 3rd ACC team.

Do you know its fully possible - perhaps even likely - that US, GTech, Louisville, UVA, and ND all win out from here on out in the regular season? Who makes the CFP then? What if Gtech beats UGA and UVA or Louisville wins out and thus are the 2 ACCCG teams and UVA beats Gtech? is the committe going to punish the undefeated loser of the ACCCG? Doubtfull. If Louisville has the same record as us with the H2H victory @Miami, why on earth would they be ranked lower? I mean the argument for us over ND is the same as Lousiville over US at the end of the day.

Obviously the clearest path to the CFP is winning the ACC. Which is why I just say we absolutely need GTech/Louisville/UVA to drop games - especially GTech.
 
No it was a hypothetical. Do you know what a hypothetical is? Miami can go 11-1 and not make it if GT beats Lville in the ACC championship game. Based on how the committee operates and how much incentive there is to put an SEC or BIG10 school in over 3 ACC schools.
in your scenario a 2 loss UL would be on the bubble and probably out
 
You’re being over dramatic after a bad loss I get it, but if we win out we will be in the playoffs, you can take that to the bank.
I hope we do. But if the ACC teams I discuss win out I’d be shocked to see the committee fill 3/11 spots with the ACCand they can’t leave out the champ and don’t see them leaving out an 11-1 team that beat us. Hopefully I’m wrong.
 
in your scenario a 2 loss UL would be on the bubble and probably out
That would be an 11-1 regular season Louisville team that beat us on the road in our head to head. I don’t know. Hopefully we win out and can get some help to get into the champ game ourselves.
 
I don't think people haven't looked at the schedules, it's like they think everyone will have a 1 loss
most 2 loss power 4's will be

We do this every year. In mid-October, there will be 20 teams undefeated or with one-loss. Has anyone heard of that thing called math? Jesus, like 3 weeks ago FSU was #8 in the country. Now they’re going to pay one hundred million dollars to make their coach go away.

**** changes real fast.

Of the 25 teams ranked in the AP poll right this second:

6 of them are outright underdogs on Saturday
9 more are single digit favorites

There’s gonna be carnage on Saturday. And the next week. And the next week. People really think 11-1 power four teams with wins like Miami would have are missing the playoff? I wish I was that drunk right now, I’m kinda jealous.
 
I hope we do. But if the ACC teams I discuss win out I’d be shocked to see the committee fill 3/11 spots with the ACCand they can’t leave out the champ and don’t see them leaving out an 11-1 team that beat us. Hopefully I’m wrong.
UL is 9 spots behind us, they will never be ranked ahead of us if we are in playoff contention
 
We do this every year. In mid-October, there will be 20 teams undefeated or with one-loss. Has anyone heard of that thing called math? Jesus, like 3 weeks ago FSU was #8 in the country. Now they’re going to pay one hundred million dollars to make their coach go away.

**** changes real fast.

Of the 25 teams ranked in the AP poll right this second:

6 of them are outright underdogs on Saturday
9 more are single digit favorites

There’s gonna be carnage on Saturday. And the next week. And the next week. People really think 11-1 power four teams with wins like Miami would have are missing the playoff? I wish I was that drunk right now, I’m kinda jealous.
I think we are being punked honestly
 
No it was a hypothetical. Do you know what a hypothetical is? Miami can go 11-1 and not make it if GT beats Lville in the ACC championship game. Based on how the committee operates and how much incentive there is to put an SEC or BIG10 school in over 3 ACC schools.

Alright. You win. 11-1 Miami is out. I’ll be here in December for you to tell me how dumb I am when it happens.
 
Alright. You win. 11-1 Miami is out. I’ll be here in December for you to tell me how dumb I am when it happens.
Why would I do that? You are not capable of having a friendly discussion about the canes on a canes message board? I’d be very happy to finish 11-1 and get in. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s as black and white as you do.
 
I hope we do. But if the ACC teams I discuss win out I’d be shocked to see the committee fill 3/11 spots with the ACCand they can’t leave out the champ and don’t see them leaving out an 11-1 team that beat us. Hopefully I’m wrong.
It would actually help our case if Louisville loses in the ACC chip while we’re 11-1……
 
It would actually help our case if Louisville loses in the ACC chip while we’re 11-1……
If they get blown out I would say yes. If not I doubt the committee punishes them for making the conference title game and they would have the same record and a win against us in Miami. Hopefully it doesn’t get to this point and they stumble along the way. We need to finish 11-1 for the sake of this program either way imo.
 
Why would I do that? You are not capable of having a friendly discussion about the canes on a canes message board?
we are, there were 9 playoff teams with at least 2 loses last year, it will be the same this year.
This isn't the 4 team playoffs anymore, tons of loses coming, look at the schedules, and there will be upsets on top of the guarantee loses, we must got to make sure we don't get upset, 2 more we out, 1 more we on the bubble
 
If they get blown out I would say yes. If not I doubt the committee punishes them for making the conference title game and they would have the same record and a win against us in Miami. Hopefully it doesn’t get to this point and they stumble along the way. We need to finish 11-1 for the sake of this program either way imo.
10-2 Louisville in a playoff over 11-1 Miami would be diabolical
 
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