The Franchise said:

MIATL said:

CanesAreAble said:

Another key point Rudy made:


Teams are playing heavy cover 2 man because they're confident they can rush Brad with 4, and they know he's not a threat to take off. Richt is trying to run teams out of the two deep look so Brad can see more single-high coverage, but we're not really making teams pay. It's forcing WRs to beat press coverage and Brad to make tight throws. The results have been inconsistent.

He suggested we use Njoku/Hernon on more deep routes, as well as going to some 4 and 5-WR sets to get some favorable one-and-one matchups and get the ball out quick.


I thought his analysis was on point, especially the part about cover 2 man.

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I didn't listen to the interview, but this is exactly what I see as the issue.

Against the more talented defenses, we don't consistently win the battle at the LOS to force another defender down. And teams are better able to defend our passing game with 2-high.

Teams play us with single high when they blitz, and they're getting there fast enough to throw our timing off. So, we don't make them pay by breaking pass plays.

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Rick is letting teams tee off on us by constantly getting us in 2nd and 3rd and long and by not testing defenses deep often enough to keep them honest. He can also put more WRs on the field to get defenses out of that phone booth.

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I feel like a broken record, but maybe we wouldn’t be in these 2nd & 3rd and long situations if we weren’t giving the ball to Walton so **** much.

Walton over the last 4 games:
- 69 Carries
- 46 Carries (67%) have gone for 3 yards or less
- 3 Carries (4%) have gone for 10 yards or more

Yikes

I sure as **** wouldn't mind seeing us throw it to Yearby in the middle a little bit. He's nearly untackleable with a LB or the first guy. He's a master of catching those short passes and sticking his foot in the ground and making the first guy miss. Remember that little pass against FAU last year?

LuCane said:

AutoCANE said:

LuCane said:

HurricaneAce07 said:

Honest question that someone may recall from our first 6 games:

1. Have we seen a single reverse or fake reverse play this year?
None that I can think of...
2. Have we seen any 4-wide or 5-wide formations this year?
A few 4-wide, but no unique looks/packages; no 5-wide
3. Have we seen any wheel routes for Walton/Yearby this year?
I do not see our RBs in the passing game other than the occasional screen pass.
4. How many 2-TE formations were pass plays vs run plays?
I would say nearly ever 2-TE formation we have has been a running play
5. How many times have Walton/Yearby been on the field at the same time?
None that I recall - why not have a pitch option play with 1 RB as the fake and the other rolling out for the pass? At least it pulls the LBs/Safety out of position every now and then.

The above questions are my main concern. I thought Coley was a mediocre OC, but did all of the above rather consistently and it kept defenses on their toes and had no problem using our play makers to "make plays". Best example of this was his usage of Yearby/Walton in the passing game.

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1. No
2. Tons and Tons of 4WR sets. A lot of them with trips right
3. No. That one actually requires a good bit of time, so I understand trying to reduce the [lack of protection] variable
4. A decent amount of balance, though tipping toward run, in 12 personnel (2 TEs). My problem here is that there aren't enough on 1st downs and between the hashes
5. I have not seen the expected 2RB formations and we haven't thrown the ball in the flats enough when opportunities were there (especially FSU)

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You're on point as usual. I myself said in another thread I would group Walton, Yearby, Njoku, Herndon, and Coley (or Richards, depending).

From there you could do so many things...Herndon @ H, Yearby in the slot with Coley out wide, etc etc etc.

I just haven't seen anything super creative to try to force mismatches.

I also can't recall a single offensive player ever going in motion this year. Am I wrong on that?

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My biggest concern was highlighted by Rudy in his interview: where are the seam throws. Even though Richt adjusted to some inside the hash throws, they were of the quick in variety. So, people will say we don't have enough time from the OL for a 15-18 yard seam throw, but we have enough time for some sideline throws? I don't understand that at all. Kaaya lived off 4Vert during Coley's tenure. Get him some more of that. He's good with it.

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I don't understand why the same OL with an extra year together can't Kaaya enough time to throw the same passes he had time to throw last year.

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

MIATL said:

CanesAreAble said:

Another key point Rudy made:


Teams are playing heavy cover 2 man because they're confident they can rush Brad with 4, and they know he's not a threat to take off. Richt is trying to run teams out of the two deep look so Brad can see more single-high coverage, but we're not really making teams pay. It's forcing WRs to beat press coverage and Brad to make tight throws. The results have been inconsistent.

He suggested we use Njoku/Hernon on more deep routes, as well as going to some 4 and 5-WR sets to get some favorable one-and-one matchups and get the ball out quick.


I thought his analysis was on point, especially the part about cover 2 man.

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I didn't listen to the interview, but this is exactly what I see as the issue.

Against the more talented defenses, we don't consistently win the battle at the LOS to force another defender down. And teams are better able to defend our passing game with 2-high.

Teams play us with single high when they blitz, and they're getting there fast enough to throw our timing off. So, we don't make them pay by breaking pass plays.

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Rick is letting teams tee off on us by constantly getting us in 2nd and 3rd and long and by not testing defenses deep often enough to keep them honest. He can also put more WRs on the field to get defenses out of that phone booth.

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I feel like a broken record, but maybe we wouldn’t be in these 2nd & 3rd and long situations if we weren’t giving the ball to Walton so **** much.

Walton over the last 4 games:
- 69 Carries
- 46 Carries (67%) have gone for 3 yards or less
- 3 Carries (4%) have gone for 10 yards or more

Yikes

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He's been masterful at running into the backs of OLinemen.

LuCane said:

AutoCANE said:

LuCane said:

HurricaneAce07 said:

Honest question that someone may recall from our first 6 games:

1. Have we seen a single reverse or fake reverse play this year?
None that I can think of...
2. Have we seen any 4-wide or 5-wide formations this year?
A few 4-wide, but no unique looks/packages; no 5-wide
3. Have we seen any wheel routes for Walton/Yearby this year?
I do not see our RBs in the passing game other than the occasional screen pass.
4. How many 2-TE formations were pass plays vs run plays?
I would say nearly ever 2-TE formation we have has been a running play
5. How many times have Walton/Yearby been on the field at the same time?
None that I recall - why not have a pitch option play with 1 RB as the fake and the other rolling out for the pass? At least it pulls the LBs/Safety out of position every now and then.

The above questions are my main concern. I thought Coley was a mediocre OC, but did all of the above rather consistently and it kept defenses on their toes and had no problem using our play makers to "make plays". Best example of this was his usage of Yearby/Walton in the passing game.

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1. No
2. Tons and Tons of 4WR sets. A lot of them with trips right
3. No. That one actually requires a good bit of time, so I understand trying to reduce the [lack of protection] variable
4. A decent amount of balance, though tipping toward run, in 12 personnel (2 TEs). My problem here is that there aren't enough on 1st downs and between the hashes
5. I have not seen the expected 2RB formations and we haven't thrown the ball in the flats enough when opportunities were there (especially FSU)

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You're on point as usual. I myself said in another thread I would group Walton, Yearby, Njoku, Herndon, and Coley (or Richards, depending).

From there you could do so many things...Herndon @ H, Yearby in the slot with Coley out wide, etc etc etc.

I just haven't seen anything super creative to try to force mismatches.

I also can't recall a single offensive player ever going in motion this year. Am I wrong on that?

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My biggest concern was highlighted by Rudy in his interview: where are the seam throws. Even though Richt adjusted to some inside the hash throws, they were of the quick in variety. So, people will say we don't have enough time from the OL for a 15-18 yard seam throw, but we have enough time for some sideline throws? I don't understand that at all. Kaaya lived off 4Vert during Coley's tenure. Get him some more of that. He's good with it.

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Agree 100%. I think some of what we do is ending up being counterproductive by compressing the defense into smaller spaces and success in those situations requires laser focus, which seems to be lacking right now. Space them out and send 'em upfield, give Kaaya some green grass to see. Maybe he won't **** it up this time.

Novacane32000 said:

BALLHAWKU said:

not a trainer but my question is possible during last off season that Kaaya could of got quicker feet or faster to fit this system? Not asking a lot like 3 yards or just move one step fast. This is a question, would just like to know.

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Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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imo a good coach can adapt to the talent around him not the other way around.

kryptonite said:

KrazyCane said:

CanesAreAble said:

Another key point Rudy made:


Teams are playing heavy cover 2 man because they're confident they can rush Brad with 4, and they know he's not a threat to take off. Richt is trying to run teams out of the two deep look so Brad can see more single-high coverage, but we're not really making teams pay. It's forcing WRs to beat press coverage and Brad to make tight throws. The results have been inconsistent.

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And the reason is bc of Brad Kaaya.. He's holding the offense back bc he isn't making good decisions or throws when we need him to "make teams pay." So defenses aren't being forced to make adjustments.

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The OL needs to be able to stand up to a 4 man rush. If they can't, Then Kayaa will have difficulty making plays. People get hung up on QB play without looking at the OL and what their performance means for coverages. If we can't force defenses to send a blitzes or move a safety to the box we're going to have a rough go in the passing game. Bottom line, we need to start forcing defenses to change what they're doing or we won't be successful.

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That is a valid point but I think Brad Kaaya seeing ghost is a bigger problem than the oline. He can't avoid pressure and hes so shook he panicks even when the oline is doing their job. No excuses if you're an upperclassmen "NFL level" qb

KrazyCane said:

kryptonite said:

KrazyCane said:

CanesAreAble said:

Another key point Rudy made:


Teams are playing heavy cover 2 man because they're confident they can rush Brad with 4, and they know he's not a threat to take off. Richt is trying to run teams out of the two deep look so Brad can see more single-high coverage, but we're not really making teams pay. It's forcing WRs to beat press coverage and Brad to make tight throws. The results have been inconsistent.

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And the reason is bc of Brad Kaaya.. He's holding the offense back bc he isn't making good decisions or throws when we need him to "make teams pay." So defenses aren't being forced to make adjustments.

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The OL needs to be able to stand up to a 4 man rush. If they can't, Then Kayaa will have difficulty making plays. People get hung up on QB play without looking at the OL and what their performance means for coverages. If we can't force defenses to send a blitzes or move a safety to the box we're going to have a rough go in the passing game. Bottom line, we need to start forcing defenses to change what they're doing or we won't be successful.

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That is a valid point but I think Brad Kaaya seeing ghost is a bigger problem than the oline. He can't avoid pressure and hes so shook he panicks even when the oline is doing their job. No excuses if you're an upperclassmen "NFL level" qb

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I agree that Kayaa looks shook, well just agree to disagree about which is the bigger issue.

The Franchise said:

LuCane said:

AutoCANE said:

LuCane said:

HurricaneAce07 said:

Honest question that someone may recall from our first 6 games:

1. Have we seen a single reverse or fake reverse play this year?
None that I can think of...
2. Have we seen any 4-wide or 5-wide formations this year?
A few 4-wide, but no unique looks/packages; no 5-wide
3. Have we seen any wheel routes for Walton/Yearby this year?
I do not see our RBs in the passing game other than the occasional screen pass.
4. How many 2-TE formations were pass plays vs run plays?
I would say nearly ever 2-TE formation we have has been a running play
5. How many times have Walton/Yearby been on the field at the same time?
None that I recall - why not have a pitch option play with 1 RB as the fake and the other rolling out for the pass? At least it pulls the LBs/Safety out of position every now and then.

The above questions are my main concern. I thought Coley was a mediocre OC, but did all of the above rather consistently and it kept defenses on their toes and had no problem using our play makers to "make plays". Best example of this was his usage of Yearby/Walton in the passing game.

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1. No
2. Tons and Tons of 4WR sets. A lot of them with trips right
3. No. That one actually requires a good bit of time, so I understand trying to reduce the [lack of protection] variable
4. A decent amount of balance, though tipping toward run, in 12 personnel (2 TEs). My problem here is that there aren't enough on 1st downs and between the hashes
5. I have not seen the expected 2RB formations and we haven't thrown the ball in the flats enough when opportunities were there (especially FSU)

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You're on point as usual. I myself said in another thread I would group Walton, Yearby, Njoku, Herndon, and Coley (or Richards, depending).

From there you could do so many things...Herndon @ H, Yearby in the slot with Coley out wide, etc etc etc.

I just haven't seen anything super creative to try to force mismatches.

I also can't recall a single offensive player ever going in motion this year. Am I wrong on that?

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My biggest concern was highlighted by Rudy in his interview: where are the seam throws. Even though Richt adjusted to some inside the hash throws, they were of the quick in variety. So, people will say we don't have enough time from the OL for a 15-18 yard seam throw, but we have enough time for some sideline throws? I don't understand that at all. Kaaya lived off 4Vert during Coley's tenure. Get him some more of that. He's good with it.

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I don't understand why the same OL with an extra year together can't Kaaya enough time to throw the same passes he had time to throw last year.

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because Kehoe>Searels thats how.

The oline isnt being taught good technique, imo.

They look lost against the most pedestrian Dline moves.

The oline plays Beasts with tons of moves in practice everyday but arent getting better?

Indictment on Searels.

he sucks. Kehoe is a better coach.

LuCane said:

Cortez55403 said:

djrion said:

Cliff notes?

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Great stuff. Thanks Pete

* need to be less predictable on O and come out aggressively early in games. Poor start against UNC really hurt.
* quick hitters to WRs a must as a form of the running game. Takes pressure off the OL. Less predictable.
* roll Brad out a bit more and encourage him to run for 2-4 yard gains once in awhile. Brady, the Mannings, and Rivers can't run either. But they can make it second and seven rather than second and ten.
* got to use Berrios on third downs from the slot for 3-10 yard completions. Not using him now.
* DLs getting pressure with only 3-4 rushers puts Brad in a bad spot. He's having to throw against 7-8 defenders.
* Brad himself must step up and win games. Richt can and should put the game more in Brad's hands.

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One thing I'll say is that, while he recommends for Kaaya to roll out more, he's been below average throwing on the move this year.

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Another thing related to Kaaya running is that there should be no need to have him make 3-4 yard runs on roll outs. If our rbs can't consistently get us in 2nd and 7 we have bigger issues than qb.

Brad looks like an awkward robot giraffe in every motion he makes because he's been trained to "look" like an NFL QB since 8th grade by Rudy. This is why "coached up" Cali QB's look great in shorts but look like a baby deer on a frozen lake when the rush is on.

The Franchise said:

bshaw28 said:

The Franchise said:

MIATL said:

CanesAreAble said:

Another key point Rudy made:


Teams are playing heavy cover 2 man because they're confident they can rush Brad with 4, and they know he's not a threat to take off. Richt is trying to run teams out of the two deep look so Brad can see more single-high coverage, but we're not really making teams pay. It's forcing WRs to beat press coverage and Brad to make tight throws. The results have been inconsistent.

He suggested we use Njoku/Hernon on more deep routes, as well as going to some 4 and 5-WR sets to get some favorable one-and-one matchups and get the ball out quick.


I thought his analysis was on point, especially the part about cover 2 man.

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I didn't listen to the interview, but this is exactly what I see as the issue.

Against the more talented defenses, we don't consistently win the battle at the LOS to force another defender down. And teams are better able to defend our passing game with 2-high.

Teams play us with single high when they blitz, and they're getting there fast enough to throw our timing off. So, we don't make them pay by breaking pass plays.

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Rick is letting teams tee off on us by constantly getting us in 2nd and 3rd and long and by not testing defenses deep often enough to keep them honest. He can also put more WRs on the field to get defenses out of that phone booth.

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I feel like a broken record, but maybe we wouldn’t be in these 2nd & 3rd and long situations if we weren’t giving the ball to Walton so **** much.

Walton over the last 4 games:
- 69 Carries
- 46 Carries (67%) have gone for 3 yards or less
- 3 Carries (4%) have gone for 10 yards or more

Yikes

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He's been masterful at running into the backs of OLinemen.

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That's definitely one of Walton's go to moves. My personal favorite is when he comes to a dead stop for no reason, but running into his blockers is a good one.

Walton is just painful watch.

Kaaya is too perfect and that's his issue. He is overcoached to where he only does what he's coached and what is fundamentally sound or mechanically sound. When something doesn't go as he is coached to do, he breaks down. For instance, no QB goes to a QB coach and the coach gives lessons assuming the OL is terrible. QB lessons are all clean pocket technique. I'm more intelligent in coaching baseball and hitting than I am QBs and I compare him to showcase baseball players. Like someone said above, looks good in shorts but what does he do on the field? I'm not questioning the talent but he's just not a gamer.

The showcase baseball players are the guys that hit everything in the gap and over the wall in bp because everything is so fundamental and the pitches are right down the middle. The gamers are the guys that can hit when it's not down the middle. Some guys bring it to a game, some guys are bp heroes. That's what Kaaya is right now. Doesn't mean he'll never figure it out but he's got a ways to go in terms of being a game changer and innovating when something doesn't go perfectly the way it was drawn up.

Novacane32000 said:

BALLHAWKU said:

not a trainer but my question is possible during last off season that Kaaya could of got quicker feet or faster to fit this system? Not asking a lot like 3 yards or just move one step fast. This is a question, would just like to know.

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Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

The Franchise said:

I sure as **** wouldn't mind seeing us throw it to Yearby in the middle a little bit. He's nearly untackleable with a LB or the first guy. He's a master of catching those short passes and sticking his foot in the ground and making the first guy miss. Remember that little pass against FAU last year?

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In lieu of a strong, consistent running game, throwing to the backs on early downs can become a version of the running game( and we have two backs who can be very good in that role). Go back to the late 80's when Miami wasn't a great power running team, they were great at doing this and creating 2 and shorts on a consistent basis

The way this offense is being run currently, it's just one 3rd down and long after another one.

Rellyrell said:

Novacane32000 said:

BALLHAWKU said:

not a trainer but my question is possible during last off season that Kaaya could of got quicker feet or faster to fit this system? Not asking a lot like 3 yards or just move one step fast. This is a question, would just like to know.

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Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

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I want to agree, but I'm not sold on Kayaa taking several more hits per game so that he can get us to 3 and 3 a few times.

kryptonite said:

Rellyrell said:

Novacane32000 said:

BALLHAWKU said:

not a trainer but my question is possible during last off season that Kaaya could of got quicker feet or faster to fit this system? Not asking a lot like 3 yards or just move one step fast. This is a question, would just like to know.

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Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

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I want to agree, but I'm not sold on Kayaa taking several more hits per game so that he can get us to 3 and 3 a few times.

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It's so easy for a QB not to take a hit. It's called sliding. He's not the athletic type to try to fight for more yards which will get you murdered. He could literally run for four to five then slide or take a dive.

Rellyrell said:

kryptonite said:

Rellyrell said:

Novacane32000 said:

BALLHAWKU said:

not a trainer but my question is possible during last off season that Kaaya could of got quicker feet or faster to fit this system? Not asking a lot like 3 yards or just move one step fast. This is a question, would just like to know.

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Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

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I want to agree, but I'm not sold on Kayaa taking several more hits per game so that he can get us to 3 and 3 a few times.

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It's so easy for a QB not to take a hit. It's called sliding. He's not the athletic type to try to fight for more yards which will get you murdered. He could literally run for four to five then slide or take a dive.

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Lets reason. Going in we know Kayaa was miles away from any of the QB's behind him both in practice and games. So after an entirely new offense was installed 10 months ago and not one QB has come close to challenging Kayaa for the starting position. Do you really want to risk your best QB that can give you what you are ultimately looking for which is a winning season at this point and a respectable bowl? Is it worth 3 yards and a cloud of dusk from a QB you know is not fleet of foot? Or would you rather the OC to be more creative in getting the ball to more guys who have the athleticism do those things? I'm saying if you are satisfied with 4 wins and would rather tuck it all in and take an L for the remaining games then... just say that because that's what's going to happen if he can't go for the rest of the year.

Moro said:

Rellyrell said:

kryptonite said:

Rellyrell said:

Novacane32000 said:

Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

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I want to agree, but I'm not sold on Kayaa taking several more hits per game so that he can get us to 3 and 3 a few times.

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It's so easy for a QB not to take a hit. It's called sliding. He's not the athletic type to try to fight for more yards which will get you murdered. He could literally run for four to five then slide or take a dive.

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Lets reason. Going in we know Kayaa was miles away from any of the QB's behind him both in practice and games. So after an entirely new offense was installed 10 months ago and not one QB has come close to challenging Kayaa for the starting position. Do you really want to risk your best QB that can give you what you are ultimately looking for which is a winning season at this point and a respectable bowl? Is it worth 3 yards and a cloud of dusk from a QB you know is not fleet of foot? Or would you rather the OC to be more creative in getting the ball to more guys who have the athleticism do those things? I'm saying if you are satisfied with 4 wins and would rather tuck it all in and take an L for the remaining games then... just say that because that's what's going to happen if he can't go for the rest of the year.

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If that's the choice, I'd rather have the kid stay in the "pocket" such as it is. I think that the desire for Kayaa to run a bit is born from overall frustration about the offense. If the play calling were a littke better and he didn't look so panicked people wouldn't care about running. A few runs would be nice, it I think the best solution lies elsewhere.

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Novacane32000 said:

Kaaya is as quick as he is ever going to be. He will not get quicker by losing weight because he is not over weight ,so that wont help.

Speed drills can help, but you cant turn a 5.4 guy into 5.0 guy so what you see now from Kaaya is about as fast as you'll see. Cant teach speed or quickness.

I think part of the problem is that Kaaya looks great in practice ,in a controlled environment ,where he is not allowed to get hit or required to run but then is unable to duplicate that in a game.
He is very accurate standing still with little pressure but in a game situation ,he struggles when the pocket breaks down while other QBs are able to create. Kaaya's only option is 1. throw the ball away (which is why he always hovers around 60% and no better on completions) or 2. take the sack.
Some will say 60% is pretty good and it is if you can also take off 5 or 6 times every game for any kind of positive yardage which our QB cannot do.

Our coaching staff has a huge challenge to make this offense click against the better teams with a QB who cannot run and create when things breakdown.

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I've seen the field wide open for Kaaya...no one around and he doesn't run. That RPO would work b/c everybody automatically follows the RB w/ Kaaya in, leaving the other side of the field WIDE open. But he doesn't run for ish. He will never get 10 yards, but he could manage 3 and 4. Sometimes the best offense is keeping a defense honest.

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I want to agree, but I'm not sold on Kayaa taking several more hits per game so that he can get us to 3 and 3 a few times.

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It's so easy for a QB not to take a hit. It's called sliding. He's not the athletic type to try to fight for more yards which will get you murdered. He could literally run for four to five then slide or take a dive.

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Lets reason. Going in we know Kayaa was miles away from any of the QB's behind him both in practice and games. So after an entirely new offense was installed 10 months ago and not one QB has come close to challenging Kayaa for the starting position. Do you really want to risk your best QB that can give you what you are ultimately looking for which is a winning season at this point and a respectable bowl? Is it worth 3 yards and a cloud of dusk from a QB you know is not fleet of foot? Or would you rather the OC to be more creative in getting the ball to more guys who have the athleticism do those things? I'm saying if you are satisfied with 4 wins and would rather tuck it all in and take an L for the remaining games then... just say that because that's what's going to happen if he can't go for the rest of the year.

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While understanding what you say...I think there is inherent value in allowing Kaaya to roll right in a run-pass option situation. The alternative, if the defense is not set up to allow an immediate bubble or slant, is to let Kaaya sit there and continue to take kill shots because our line can't consistently provide a clean pocket against four pass rushers. With seven men consistently in coverage it is proving difficult to get the ball out quickly, and that spells disaster. If you can force the outside linebacker that you're reading to commit to the run box, then you open space behind him to work a receiver in. If he sinks in coverage then you can create the opportunity for free yards, and minimal risk if he knows how to slide.