Numbers Breakdown

Aug 15, 2012

Using Ofacekilla’s eligibility chart (http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?21884-O%92s-Eligibility-Chart-7-18-2012), I have laid out how the numbers work for this class in regards to recruiting.
There are 83 players on scholarship right now after the Josh Witt incident. The maximum number of scholarship players for any year is 85.

Graduating Seniors plus 2 open spots = 13 available spots
1. Mike James
2. Kendal Thompkins
3. Davon Johnson
4. Jeremy Lewis
5. Ben Jones
6. Darius Smith
7. Ramon Buchanon
8. Vaughn Telemaque
9. Brandon McGee
10. Jake Wieclaw
11. Dalton Botts
12. Open
13. Open

From all indications, this class will have anywhere from 16-18 signees, which means there must be some attrition and or players leaving early for all to fit. As it is right now, there are 11 commits in the class including Angelo Jean-Louis, who is enrolling in January. While he will count against the 2012 class number, it ultimately does not matter because the number to worry about is the total 85.

1. Keith Bryant
2. Artie Burns
3. Jamal Carter
4. Alex Collins
5. Standish Dobard
6. Alex Gall
7. Angelo Jean-Louis
8. Travis Johnson
9. Jeremy Kerr
10. Ray Lewis III
11. Kevin Olsen

If no players left early and there were no transfers/cuts, there would only be room for 2 more members maximum in this class, but obviously that’s not the case.

Possible Transfers/Cuts/Pro Entries

1. Jared Wheeler (cut/transfer)
2. Hunter Wells (cut/transfer)
3. Seantrel Henderson (draft)
4. Jalen Grimble (transfer)
5. Corey King (cut/transfer)
6. Ricardo Williams (transfer)
7. Corey White (health still uncertain)
8. David Thompson (highly doubt he ever takes a snap, will focus on baseball)

Not all of those things will happen obviously, I am just throwing them out there as possibilities. We have seen a good amount of attrition under Golden and it has to continue to be able to fit the type of class the staff wants before sanctions hit. The bigger this class is, the better.

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bathtubgin

Aug 16, 2012

I don't get people saying Seantrel is going pro when right now it looks doubtful he'll even start.

Grimble is going into his true freshman year, right? How is this a late bloomer?

Canesfan1899

Aug 17, 2012

bathtubgin said:
I don't get people saying Seantrel is going pro when right now it looks doubtful he'll even start.

Grimble is going into his true freshman year, right? How is this a late bloomer?

Grimble will be a sophmore? Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not.

Henderson may not be ready to go, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave so he can start getting paid.

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TheStorm305

Aug 17, 2012

At what point will some of these predictions include the scholarship reductions i'm sure we will face. I don't think anyone here is naive enough to believe we will not face at least some minor reductions. Which could be another reason Golden has spoken about having 80 scholarship players.

Ajax

Aug 17, 2012

As Storm mentioned above, this doesn't take into account that we will probably know our sanctions by the time this class signs. We are probably going to get at least a 5 scholly reduction from 85 to 80.

So we have 83 on scholarship - 11 graduating seniors = 72. That leaves 8 spots plus whatever spots are gained through attrition.

Andrew

Aug 17, 2012

I really don't think we will know our full penalty until after NSD. I don't think it is this class but rather the next one that gets hit my sanctions.

Ajax

Aug 17, 2012

Andrew said:
I really don't think we will know our full penalty until after NSD. I don't think it is this class but rather the next one that gets hit my sanctions.

I don't think it is a good thing. We need to get this out of the way already.

Peter Ariz

Aug 17, 2012

I think the sanctions will affect the numbers for the next recruiting class, not this one.

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TheStorm305

Aug 17, 2012

I understand the penalties might not hit before signing day, but I was thinking as well as Golden has things planned out, when would the staff begin to approach things differently? Its not so much a matter of IF, its WHEN they hit, would it not be wise to be somewhat proactive the same way we were by taking a bowl ban last year?

Just a thought, seeing how USC has chosen to delay their scholarship reductions until this point, not sure if we would approach it the same way.

bathtubgin

Aug 17, 2012

Canesfan1899 said:
bathtubgin said:

I don't get people saying Seantrel is going pro when right now it looks doubtful he'll even start.

Grimble is going into his true freshman year, right? How is this a late bloomer?

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Grimble will be a sophmore? Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not.

Henderson may not be ready to go, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave so he can start getting paid.

I meant to say Grimble will be a true sophomore. Just mistyped.

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hawaiicane

Aug 17, 2012

TheStorm305 said:
I understand the penalties might not hit before signing day, but I was thinking as well as Golden has things planned out, when would the staff begin to approach things differently? Its not so much a matter of IF, its WHEN they hit, would it not be wise to be somewhat proactive the same way we were by taking a bowl ban last year?

Just a thought, seeing how USC has chosen to delay their scholarship reductions until this point, not sure if we would approach it the same way.

To prepare for future schollie reductions, Golden needs to max out as many schollies as he can NOW. That means make the team as YOUNG and as DEEP as he can now, BEFORE we are restricted. We stockpiled 50+ kids the last two classes. If we get at least 20 more in for 2013, that means we will have 70 kids on the team to give us as big a cushion as possible as we enter the restricted schollie years 2014 and 2015 and maybe 2016 where we could end up with 15-20 max schollies instead of 25 for each of those years.

Restricting schollies now or keeping deadweight SOs/JRs is a recipe for disaster. That is why this idea of taking only 16 ish kids is foolhardy. Frankly, i'd like to jam in 21-22 kids by getting rid of a ton of older kids now.

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Ajax

Aug 18, 2012

hawaiicane said:
TheStorm305 said:

I understand the penalties might not hit before signing day, but I was thinking as well as Golden has things planned out, when would the staff begin to approach things differently? Its not so much a matter of IF, its WHEN they hit, would it not be wise to be somewhat proactive the same way we were by taking a bowl ban last year?

Just a thought, seeing how USC has chosen to delay their scholarship reductions until this point, not sure if we would approach it the same way.

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To prepare for future schollie reductions, Golden needs to max out as many schollies as he can NOW. That means make the team as YOUNG and as DEEP as he can now, BEFORE we are restricted. We stockpiled 50+ kids the last two classes. If we get at least 20 more in for 2013, that means we will have 70 kids on the team to give us as big a cushion as possible as we enter the restricted schollie years 2014 and 2015 and maybe 2016 where we could end up with 15-20 max schollies instead of 25 for each of those years.

Restricting schollies now or keeping deadweight SOs/JRs is a recipe for disaster. That is why this idea of taking only 16 ish kids is foolhardy. Frankly, i'd like to jam in 21-22 kids by getting rid of a ton of older kids now.

USC was able to perfectly execute a similar strategy by appealing the sanctions thereby giving them one more year to sign a lot of kids. I don't think we will appeal when all is said and done.

RickMoaranus

Aug 18, 2012

shows a lot. that is a lame list of seniors :eekeyes:

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