LB recruiting...again

Jan 13, 2018

As I've posted throughout this entire cycle, the plan has been to only take one linebacker, which their target all along was Patrick Joyner. That will remain the case, but I got some more clarification as to why.

Miami believes they "over-signed" last year with Waynmon Steed, Bradley Jennings, and DeAndre Wilder -- and not in a bad way. They are high on all three of those guys and see Steed as a potential breakout star now in spring practice. Wilder got more burn the Jennings, but each can play a different role. Steed redshirted, so that spreads the numbers out a bit.

On top of their confidence in the 2017 LB class, they are bullish on the 2019 crop down here at the position.

Jesiah Pierre is committed and they view him as one of the best-kept secrets in the country.

They have Sam Brooks from Northwestern near the top of their board regardless of position, even with the knee injury he suffered this past season

Anthony Solomon and Jahmar Brown are two other prospects that they really want right now too.

So next year's class will be 3-4 most likely. They didn't want to compromise numbers, not to mention how highly they regard Joyner as a guy who can play any linebacker spot.

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Tony Perps

Jan 13, 2018

TheSwagger1 said:
King Slayer said:

westcoastcanes said:

Peter Ariz said:

supersaiyanshel said:

Thank you for this response. Taking 3 lbs isnt oversigning. Its common sense. It should be your goal every cycle regardless of who you have or think youre getting.

You think Wilder, Steed, and Jennings are the goods? Awesome! Now go recruit somebody who can potentially be better. Never get comfortable, even of you have a stable of 5 Stars.

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You want 12 linebackers over a 4-year span?

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12 over four years puts you at 9 or ten on the roster. Yes, three a season is reasonable. Only reason to slow down is if you get to the point of red shirting multiple linebackers per class. If they think they have hit on all three in both the 16 and 17 class, then the case for only two this year is strong. We may lose as many as 5 next off season if not sooner if two of the three starters have great years.

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Unless one of them looks like Roquan Smith next season or become sack artists, none of them are leaving. LBs don't declare unless they get to the QB.

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I've never seen a kid who looked more likely to leave early based on their behaviour than Mike Pinckney. Kids who carry extra weight, get in the dog house, and still manage to be your best player at a position are guys who jump ship the second they're able to do so.

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SpikeUM

Jan 13, 2018

UknowWhat said:
JgDaCane said:

UknowWhat said:

gogeta4 said:

i take 2 lbs in this class.

I forsee one of our lbs leaving next year...Mccray shouldnt even be here...i would like to stockpile that position..regardless of whats there in 19.

i like proactive recruiting..not reactive. Its the reason they are scrambling around now at DT. Thats ok when u have a Kul a dl coach...who we have at LB coach not sure if he can just get the same production out of guys. our starting 3 lbs were golden recruits.

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Actually UGA was in Shaq's top 4 and Pinkney camped with Right at UGA ... I agree that u need to be proactive.. at a minimum 3 deep at every position ... +2Lb. +3DL +2Nics thats 40 schoolies for the D

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Any idea what Shaq & Mikes thoughts are on leaving early?

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I'm sure they both think about realizing their goal of making it to the NFL one day... But I would strongly advise that a premature leap could be costly. There are Pros and Cons and a ton of variables to consider. If Shaq had the same draft advisory as Nort.. I would have strongly advise to stay and better your stock... If I was a coach... I would consider the possibility of all three leaving... How often do you see 4 year starters... I would recruit as they were leaving... its better to have and not need than need and not have... Like our current DT situation.

King Solomon like advice and wisdom

Sigma_Cane_7

Jan 13, 2018

Meat said:
Man, I'm not seeing it. Here's what the depth chart looks like right now:

Starters -
Shaq Quarterman - stud
Michael Pinkeny - stud
Zach McCloud - average

Backups
Jennings - 3 star. Played limited snaps and looked like a 3 star.
Teraz McCray - JAG
Charles Perry - 3 star, JAG
Mike Smith - 3 star, average in space. Undersized DE playing LB with a history of injuries
Wayman Steed - 3 star, hasn't played football since puberty
Deandre Wilder - 4 star, flashed a bit. Good speed but underweight

Seems to me like we need to upgrade the talent at this position in a big way. And it's not like the D-line where you have the best position coach in America.... who the **** do we have coaching linebackers that is going to turn all these 3 stars in to studs?

This ain't Mississippi State... we need Miami caliber athletes at the LB position not a cupboard full of 3-stars and jags.

Ditto. That’s why this is so frustrating. I know I’m not a coach but I’m not Stevie Wonder either. We all see what CP wrote above.

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Plzwork4

Jan 13, 2018

supersaiyanshel said:
Plzwork4 said:

supersaiyanshel said:

Plzwork4 said:

supersaiyanshel said:

They basically recruit 3 yr players. Its part of Saban and Urbans pitch actially.

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Wrong. From 2014 - 2017 a 4 year period OSU signed 10 LBs, Clemson 9 LBs, Bama actually signed 12 b/c 3 are no longer on the team (surprise). We have signed 6 over the last 2 years...and 11 over the past 4 years even with the Golden debacle. We are on pace with the 3 teams mentioned in LB signings. But please continue bending the facts to fit your narrative...

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Im not sure how that disputes what was said about their pitches, or what the others did.

Was there ever a yr they took 1 LB ? Or 1 DT?

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Clemson took 0 LBs last year. Boom.

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Anomaly. They also only took 14 kids total. Cmon cuzzo.

Lol. They also took no DTs, no TEs, and 2 Qbs. Clearly an atypical class

Of course it is, but your exact question was "Was there ever a yr they took 1 LB?" Don't be an idiot...you know what else is an anomaly? Taking 3-4 LBs every year in a 4 year span. You asked and I showed you the result...you didn't like the answer b/c it blew up your narrative once again so you called it an anomaly.

Also they only took 9 in 4 years...don't you think they'd be in full fvckin panic mode during that last class where they took 0?? HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE WITH TAKING 9 LBS IN 4 YEARS!!!??!

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nycane

Jan 13, 2018

UknowWhat said:
nycane said:

you guys are neurotic. we lost how many DL? and you are freaking out of LB's where we are 2 deep easily and just added a potential stud?

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DT Depth is the lit match between our toes.. most likely to get injured .. they rotate the most.. I think it's the most important Corp on the team... Bama made it through most of the season - 3 of their best LBs because of their DT depth.

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i meant our focus should be on the DT issue, not LB's. Im fine with how our LB's look.

gogeta4

Jan 13, 2018

TheSwagger1 said:
King Slayer said:

westcoastcanes said:

Peter Ariz said:

supersaiyanshel said:

Thank you for this response. Taking 3 lbs isnt oversigning. Its common sense. It should be your goal every cycle regardless of who you have or think youre getting.

You think Wilder, Steed, and Jennings are the goods? Awesome! Now go recruit somebody who can potentially be better. Never get comfortable, even of you have a stable of 5 Stars.

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You want 12 linebackers over a 4-year span?

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12 over four years puts you at 9 or ten on the roster. Yes, three a season is reasonable. Only reason to slow down is if you get to the point of red shirting multiple linebackers per class. If they think they have hit on all three in both the 16 and 17 class, then the case for only two this year is strong. We may lose as many as 5 next off season if not sooner if two of the three starters have great years.

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Unless one of them looks like Roquan Smith next season or become sack artists, none of them are leaving. LBs don't declare unless they get to the QB.

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I've never seen a kid who looked more likely to leave early based on their behaviour than Mike Pinckney. Kids who carry extra weight, get in the dog house, and still manage to be your best player at a position are guys who jump ship the second they're able to do so.

Also he is not tru;ly a jacksonville kid. He is from Carol City. And based off of his instagram likes Material things...if he goes off as expected next season he;s the one i can see leaving early.

gogeta4

Jan 13, 2018

skeeter said:
KrazyCane said:

skeeter said:

Gi0logy said:

Any of those guys have a chance to overtake Zach or do you think he will bounce back and keep his spot?

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Mcloud got better as the year progressed. Played very well vs. Pitt and I thought pretty good in the bowl loss.

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Nah he was average at best against Pitt and was terrible the entire season.

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Nope, I was at the Pitt game and he had a pretty good game. Definitely had some downtimes this year though...So much potential, hope the lightbulb goes on.

downtimes??. Saying he was avg is putting it on the highside. He was downright bad and i thought Perry or Owens should have ate his mins wayyyy earlier

Scoot Scoot

Jan 13, 2018

I could just be making this up but I thought I heard something about an eventual shift to a 4-2-5 defense. What effect do you think that would have?

Samson Doyo

Jan 13, 2018

Based on the track records of the board prognosticators #53 is headed for a break out year next year. Looking forward to see Zach play next year. Steed is a natural LB. Canes fans haven't seen an LB like him since Vilma. He moves great in the box, sheds and takes on blocks, and his tackling fundamentals are second to none. All three of our current starters should go to a Steed tackling clinic. Spring ball can't get here soon enough. Would love to see a pic of our posters Mr. Q & Mr. Steed beaming with pride after we stomp FSU at home next year.

Go Canes!

grover

Jan 13, 2018

Sigma_Cane_7 said:
Meat said:

Man, I'm not seeing it. Here's what the depth chart looks like right now:

Starters -
Shaq Quarterman - stud
Michael Pinkeny - stud
Zach McCloud - average

Backups
Jennings - 3 star. Played limited snaps and looked like a 3 star.
Teraz McCray - JAG
Charles Perry - 3 star, JAG
Mike Smith - 3 star, average in space. Undersized DE playing LB with a history of injuries
Wayman Steed - 3 star, hasn't played football since puberty
Deandre Wilder - 4 star, flashed a bit. Good speed but underweight

Seems to me like we need to upgrade the talent at this position in a big way. And it's not like the D-line where you have the best position coach in America.... who the **** do we have coaching linebackers that is going to turn all these 3 stars in to studs?

This ain't Mississippi State... we need Miami caliber athletes at the LB position not a cupboard full of 3-stars and jags.

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Ditto. That’s why this is so frustrating. I know I’m not a coach but I’m not Stevie Wonder either. We all see what CP wrote above.

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I actually thought Perry looked better than Smith just before the injury, and think he has more upside. Smith is too stiff in space, more of a pass rushing specialist, whereas Perry has better lateral and hip movement. Same thing I liked about Steed's HS highlights. No idea how quickly either can recover. Hope it's not the 3-year plan like Owens.

Overall, I completely agree with the main point, which is that while we have "numbers" in a nickle-heavy 4-3 defense, there are too many question marks, so you want to stack chips. Right now, we have only 2 guys we know we can rely on. And it's not like people are asking for 5 LBs this class. Just one more (Bonitto) and most of us would be happy.

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Cribby

Jan 13, 2018

grover said:
Sigma_Cane_7 said:

Meat said:

Man, I'm not seeing it. Here's what the depth chart looks like right now:

Starters -
Shaq Quarterman - stud
Michael Pinkeny - stud
Zach McCloud - average

Backups
Jennings - 3 star. Played limited snaps and looked like a 3 star.
Teraz McCray - JAG
Charles Perry - 3 star, JAG
Mike Smith - 3 star, average in space. Undersized DE playing LB with a history of injuries
Wayman Steed - 3 star, hasn't played football since puberty
Deandre Wilder - 4 star, flashed a bit. Good speed but underweight

Seems to me like we need to upgrade the talent at this position in a big way. And it's not like the D-line where you have the best position coach in America.... who the **** do we have coaching linebackers that is going to turn all these 3 stars in to studs?

This ain't Mississippi State... we need Miami caliber athletes at the LB position not a cupboard full of 3-stars and jags.

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Ditto. That’s why this is so frustrating. I know I’m not a coach but I’m not Stevie Wonder either. We all see what CP wrote above.

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I actually thought Perry looked better than Smith just before the injury, and think he has more upside. Smith is too stiff in space, more of a pass rushing specialist, whereas Perry has better lateral and hip movement. Same thing I liked about Steed's HS highlights. No idea how quickly either can recover. Hope it's not the 3-year plan like Owens.

Overall, I completely agree with the main point, which is that while we have "numbers" in a nickle-heavy 4-3 defense, there are too many question marks, so you want to stack chips. Right now, we have only 2 guys we know we can rely on. And it's not like people are asking for 5 LBs this class. Just one more (Bonitto) and most of us would be happy.

With our DL situation, and the Lb depth being a little deeper I wonder if smith possibly moves to De? That's his natural position from hs and was a natural pass rusher. He's hovering around 240 pounds ,adding 10 more pounds wouldn't be asking much. Smith would at least be a decent option in the rotation , especially on third and longs.

Just a thought.

407cane

Jan 13, 2018

i'm all for the staff bringing in one LB this cycle. Can get a little dicey if there's attrition and he dips out after a year ala dj johnson style. Other than that we should be good. Really excited about what joyner brings to the table.

grover

Jan 13, 2018

407cane said:
i'm all for the staff bringing in one LB this cycle. Can get a little dicey if there's attrition and he dips out after a year ala dj johnson style. Other than that we should be good. Really excited about what joyner brings to the table.

You just stated the case for needing more than 1. Too much risk with just one. The arguments above that taking three a year for four years is too much because that leaves you with 12 really don’t reflect reality, either. Kids get hurt (Gordinier), turn out not to be as good as coaches evals projected (McCray) or they transfer out or go pro early (Owens, possibly Shaq or Pinckney).

SayWhat

Jan 13, 2018

You recruit 2 or 3 every year. That's what the big boys do and no, you don't end up with 12 in the roster in 4 years. The signers will sort themselves out, seeing there isnt playing time, and leave for somewhere they'll play. It really isn't a hard concept.

407cane

Jan 14, 2018

grover said:
407cane said:

i'm all for the staff bringing in one LB this cycle. Can get a little dicey if there's attrition and he dips out after a year ala dj johnson style. Other than that we should be good. Really excited about what joyner brings to the table.

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You just stated the case for needing more than 1. Too much risk with just one. The arguments above that taking three a year for four years is too much because that leaves you with 12 really don’t reflect reality, either. Kids get hurt (Gordinier), turn out not to be as good as coaches evals projected (McCray) or they transfer out or go pro early (Owens, possibly Shaq or Pinckney).

it's easier to say we recruit more, but there is a limit of 85

DT and WR would be the ones we would be taking a body from if you guys wanted another LB

LB is third on that list for priority right now

Definitely with WR having highest turnover consistently makes sense to have 4 come in, DT just had 3 guys leave the program and need bodies

with expected 4 next year (3 at worst)

taking one this year averages out to two a year over next two which is PLENTY considering our current depth chart. don't need 10-12 LB. 9-10 is plenty

01Canes

Jan 14, 2018

Jesiah Pierre's junior highlights look pretty dam impressive

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337CaneNation

Jan 14, 2018

However and whatever happened in 17' and will happen in 18', we just need to support the decision by the staff.. 19' is the reloading class and the LB position will be no different, their is a star studded group and our Canes will get the best talent from SoFla..

fivecent

Jan 14, 2018

gogeta4 said:
i take 2 lbs in this class.

I forsee one of our lbs leaving next year...Mccray shouldnt even be here...i would like to stockpile that position..regardless of whats there in 19.

i like proactive recruiting..not reactive. Its the reason they are scrambling around now at DT. Thats ok when u have a Kul a dl coach...who we have at LB coach not sure if he can just get the same production out of guys. our starting 3 lbs were golden recruits.

This +1000000

I think this a serious negative to Richt's recruiting strategy. He seems to be trying to get the numbers perfect and also do right by the kids in that regard. Its why we are scrambling for Dts now. Its why we were thin at cb this year(staff projecting for this class) Possibly why we got on Asante late(staff assuming we already had Jobe). Its why we almost got stuck with Sits(not wanting too many high star qbs log jammed) and why Richt didn't recruit Fromm when he had Eason. You would think this staff would have learned their lesson by now, especially with the Dt situation so present and glaring. Guess Not.

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prinmemo

Jan 14, 2018

Sigma_Cane_7 said:
Meat said:

Man, I'm not seeing it. Here's what the depth chart looks like right now:

Starters -
Shaq Quarterman - stud
Michael Pinkeny - stud
Zach McCloud - average

Backups
Jennings - 3 star. Played limited snaps and looked like a 3 star.
Teraz McCray - JAG
Charles Perry - 3 star, JAG
Mike Smith - 3 star, average in space. Undersized DE playing LB with a history of injuries
Wayman Steed - 3 star, hasn't played football since puberty
Deandre Wilder - 4 star, flashed a bit. Good speed but underweight

Seems to me like we need to upgrade the talent at this position in a big way. And it's not like the D-line where you have the best position coach in America.... who the **** do we have coaching linebackers that is going to turn all these 3 stars in to studs?

This ain't Mississippi State... we need Miami caliber athletes at the LB position not a cupboard full of 3-stars and jags.

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Ditto. That’s why this is so frustrating. I know I’m not a coach but I’m not Stevie Wonder either. We all see what CP wrote above.

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Our best LB this year (Pinckney) was a 3 star. Let’s not go overboard with being star shores.

Cane6

Jan 14, 2018

It'd be different if we were swinging and missing on top LB prospects, but that's not the case here. There is talented Miami quality LBs to be had this cycle. Our LB depth is not good enough to be turning away talent.

1. Watching mike smith and Charles Perry on the field in 2017 demonstrates my point on the quality of backup talent.
2. Special teams, historically, are filled with LBs and TEs. We are already super light at TE, it's no wonder our ST has been crappy.

I've seen the explanation from Pete, but I really feel like we are making a mistake only bringing one LB in

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