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DE/DT Daniel Carson update

DE/DT Daniel Carson update

Peter Ariz
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brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
For years
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Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels
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Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
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Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt
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He definitely was a 4star
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At DE not DT.
 
brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
For years
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Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels
Click to expand...

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
Click to expand...

Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt
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He definitely was a 4star
View attachment 56465
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That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"
 
Kyle Liburd said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
Kyle Liburd said:
DT recruiting has been a mess two cycles in a row
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For years
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Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels
Click to expand...

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
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I’ll only reply once because you fail to recognize any legitimate issue with this team. You are being disingenuous. Ford has little experience and we will need him to start next year. Silvera will be a true freshman. Bethel has little experience and switched from de to dt this past year. Willis can barely stay at Miami a semester without getting in trouble (and also has never been a starter here). To make it all worse, this is assuming that all them stay healthy and all pan out (4* can bust too). 3 Dts in 3 cycles (even if we land Carson and make it 4) is BAD.

You need experience at DT more than anywhere else. Everyone knows this is a strong class and we had a strong year. That doesn’t mean we can’t be worried as **** about our depth DT for 2018 & 2019
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We are going to deal with it because it’s not a strong dt class period. We got the best one imo and need to add on a few more . It Is what it is, but I know For **** sure I have the ability to hang on kools developments skills for his positions. If you go only by rankings clemson, Bama, fsu Ohio State, lsu, usc our recruited Miami on the dline yet who led the country in sacks and was #2 in tfls? Miami...
 
Cribby said:
brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels
Click to expand...

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
Click to expand...

Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt
Click to expand...

He definitely was a 4star
View attachment 56465
Click to expand...

That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"
Click to expand...

It was very apparent he would grow into a dt in a college strength program, same thing for Briggs imo
 
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
brock said:
htownkidd said:
brock said:
Only a handful, Sheldon Richardson and terry Becker were 5 stars
Aldon Smith’s and Shane ray were 4 stars
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Is Mizzou the bar for us now? How many titles did they compete for?
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I’m listing who he recruited as 4stars I know of. 3 of those 4 were 1st round picks too
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Kool didnt recruit those dudes.
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It’s also not about the stars either. I’m estimating, but Gerald Willis will be the only DT who’s played over 150 snaps at DT on our roster next year.

Edit: forgot about Bethel
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And before last year how many did mcintosh and norton play before 2016 season?...
 
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brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
Click to expand...

Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt
Click to expand...

He definitely was a 4star
View attachment 56465
Click to expand...

That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"
Click to expand...

It was very apparent he would grow into a dt in a college strength program, same thing for Briggs imo
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Yep. But don't even bother any more. This fanbase is stupid af. This is the most proven assistant coach in the country and this dumb fanbase wants to shi$ on him for the mist idiotic reasons. This guy turns western Kentucky talent into nfl prospects and these fans have already relegated guys like Martin and fines into the scrap heap.
 
AdrianP said:
brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
Cribby said:
Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt
Click to expand...

He definitely was a 4star
View attachment 56465
Click to expand...

That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"
Click to expand...

It was very apparent he would grow into a dt in a college strength program, same thing for Briggs imo
Click to expand...

Yep. But don't even bother any more. This fanbase is stupid af. This is the most proven assistant coach in the country and this dumb fanbase wants to shi$ on him for the mist idiotic reasons. This guy turns western Kentucky talent into nfl prospects and these fans have already relegated guys like Martin and fines into the scrap heap.
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Yeah I’m done, people stuck on that woe it’s me bullsh*t all the time . Done with this thread
 
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
brock said:
htownkidd said:
Is Mizzou the bar for us now? How many titles did they compete for?
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I’m listing who he recruited as 4stars I know of. 3 of those 4 were 1st round picks too
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Kool didnt recruit those dudes.
Click to expand...

It’s also not about the stars either. I’m estimating, but Gerald Willis will be the only DT who’s played over 150 snaps at DT on our roster next year.

Edit: forgot about Bethel
Click to expand...

And before last year how many did mcintosh and norton play before 2016 season?...
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Norton was 2nd string NT. Mcintosh didn't play a lot.
 
brock said:
AdrianP said:
brock said:
Cribby said:
brock said:
He definitely was a 4star
View attachment 56465
Click to expand...

That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"
Click to expand...

It was very apparent he would grow into a dt in a college strength program, same thing for Briggs imo
Click to expand...

Yep. But don't even bother any more. This fanbase is stupid af. This is the most proven assistant coach in the country and this dumb fanbase wants to shi$ on him for the mist idiotic reasons. This guy turns western Kentucky talent into nfl prospects and these fans have already relegated guys like Martin and fines into the scrap heap.
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Yeah I’m done, people stuck on that woe it’s me bullsh*t all the time . Done with this thread
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Wasnt you the one having a panic attack last year saying we needed better recruiters on the staff?
 
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252cane said:
brock said:
htownkidd said:
brock said:
hotshot said:
Did Coach Kul have a bunch of 4 and 5 stars at Mizzou? Don't think so!
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Only a handful, Sheldon Richardson and terry Becker were 5 stars
Aldon Smith’s and Shane ray were 4 stars
Click to expand...

Is Mizzou the bar for us now? How many titles did they compete for?
Click to expand...
I’m listing who he recruited as 4stars I know of. 3 of those 4 were 1st round picks too
Click to expand...

Kool didnt recruit those dudes.
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Yes he did.He was involved in each of their recruitment. Me might not have been the lead guy as Mizzou knew he was not a strong recruiter but I know for a fact he was involved with them.
 
252cane said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
brock said:
I’m listing who he recruited as 4stars I know of. 3 of those 4 were 1st round picks too
Click to expand...

Kool didnt recruit those dudes.
Click to expand...

It’s also not about the stars either. I’m estimating, but Gerald Willis will be the only DT who’s played over 150 snaps at DT on our roster next year.

Edit: forgot about Bethel
Click to expand...

And before last year how many did mcintosh and norton play before 2016 season?...
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Norton was 2nd string NT. Mcintosh didn't play a lot.
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And they bursted on the scene right? But we can’t expect for ford or bethel to do that according to you?...
 
Loose Cannon said:
I have a different take on DT recruiting. No draft analysis I've been able to find rates Norton better than the 16th best draft eligible DT. He's projected to maybe go in rounds 3-5. RJ McIntosh isn't in anybody's top 25 that I have been able to find. UM has a problem of barely draft ready guys bolting early for the NFL. These guys, based on the information I've been able to find, would be gambling on a lot of DT's leaving the board and early.

This is a problem Richt needs to address. As bad as I hate even the slightest appearance of agreeing with broke, the numbers are what they are. We don't have real depth issues at DT unless BOTH Norton and RJ leave. Not many top rated DE's are going to give Kul the time of day knowing they may not play serious minutes for two or three years. If our guys leave, IMO they'll both be making a mistake, but it just might open up recruiting once playing time becomes something Kul can definitely pitch.
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Underrated point you made in the first paragraph. We have 2 guys leaving to go pro to be drafted in the middle-late rounds (if either of them go in round 2 I’ll admit I was wrong). Not many teams can survive 2 true juniors going pro at DT.

Regardless of who goes pro or not, our DT numbers aren’t quite there. We need to land another high level guy (Thompson) this year.

Another point is you don’t recruit DTs for next year, relying on true frosh isn’t a good idea. You recruit 2-3 guys this year for a few years down the road. Taking only Martin and Ford in back to back years was poor planning.


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brock said:
hotshot said:
Did Coach Kul have a bunch of 4 and 5 stars at Mizzou? Don't think so!
Click to expand...

Only a handful, Sheldon Richardson and terry Becker were 5 stars
Aldon Smith’s and Shane ray were 4 stars
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Other guys that turned out to be studs for Mizzou while Kool was there..Ziggy Hood, Mike Sam, Walter Brady (tranferred out after issues) Charles Harris, Shane Ray, Dominique Hamilton, Markus Golden and Kony Ealy.

Anyone that wants to rip on Kool needs to step back and just enjoy how great he is at coaching the D line and let our other closers bring in the croots.
 
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No 2 ways about it...DL recruiting is disappointing this year. Need Briggs or Carson to save it, and even then it is still a little short on numbers.

You can love this class and acknowledge all the good things and acknowledge Kul being a top defensive line coach AND still admit his job recruiting DT has been disappointing this year.
 
OmahaCane said:
Anyone that wants to rip on Kool needs to step back and just enjoy how great he is at coaching the D line and let our other closers bring in the croots.
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Ok sounds good...So when they gonna do that? It's a top 3 need on the team with TE/Corner
 
OmahaCane said:
252cane said:
brock said:
htownkidd said:
brock said:
Only a handful, Sheldon Richardson and terry Becker were 5 stars
Aldon Smith’s and Shane ray were 4 stars
Click to expand...

Is Mizzou the bar for us now? How many titles did they compete for?
Click to expand...
I’m listing who he recruited as 4stars I know of. 3 of those 4 were 1st round picks too
Click to expand...

Kool didnt recruit those dudes.
Click to expand...

Yes he did.He was involved in each of their recruitment. Me might not have been the lead guy as Mizzou knew he was not a strong recruiter but I know for a fact he was involved with them.
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Involved and landed is 2 different things.
 
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skeeter said:
No 2 ways about it...DL recruiting is disappointing this year. Need Briggs or Carson to save it, and even then it is still a little short on numbers.

You can love this class and acknowledge all the good things and acknowledge Kul being a top defensive line coach AND still admit his job recruiting DT has been disappointing this year.
Click to expand...

He was never known to be an elite recruiter however he is known to be the best developer...
 
Kyle Liburd said:
brock said:
Kyle Liburd said:
252cane said:
Kyle Liburd said:
DT recruiting has been a mess two cycles in a row
Click to expand...

For years
Click to expand...

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels
Click to expand...

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction
Click to expand...

I’ll only reply once because you fail to recognize any legitimate issue with this team. You are being disingenuous. Ford has little experience and we will need him to start next year. Silvera will be a true freshman. Bethel has little experience and switched from de to dt this past year. Willis can barely stay at Miami a semester without getting in trouble (and also has never been a starter here). To make it all worse, this is assuming that all them stay healthy and all pan out (4* can bust too). 3 Dts in 3 cycles (even if we land Carson and make it 4) is BAD.

You need experience at DT more than anywhere else. Everyone knows this is a strong class and we had a strong year. That doesn’t mean we can’t be worried as **** about our depth DT for 2018 & 2019
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I don't get why this is so hard , it's plain as day.

We won't be a legit contender until we have legit depth at dt. We're pretty much losing majority of our dl depth, that's not how you get better, you get worse. Especially when you're replacing those starters with less talented people.
 
brock said:
skeeter said:
No 2 ways about it...DL recruiting is disappointing this year. Need Briggs or Carson to save it, and even then it is still a little short on numbers.

You can love this class and acknowledge all the good things and acknowledge Kul being a top defensive line coach AND still admit his job recruiting DT has been disappointing this year.
Click to expand...

He was never known to be an elite recruiter however he is known to be the best developer...
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Ok that's fine, but someone better recruit some DT to this team.
 
brock said:
skeeter said:
No 2 ways about it...DL recruiting is disappointing this year. Need Briggs or Carson to save it, and even then it is still a little short on numbers.

You can love this class and acknowledge all the good things and acknowledge Kul being a top defensive line coach AND still admit his job recruiting DT has been disappointing this year.
Click to expand...

He was never known to be an elite recruiter however he is known to be the best developer...
Click to expand...

Lot of kids play both ways in highschool . We need to start finding some big Athletic DT. That’s exactly why I wanted Slaton last year .
 
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