5 Fall Camp Questions on both sides of the ball

Jul 23, 2019

Offense

1. QB: Will whoever is selected at QB, assuming Enos' effectiveness and a more varied attack, give us a significant leap from Malik Rosier version 2017?
2. OL: Who will solidify themselves as the best Tackle combination and spark a domino effect for remainder of the OL? (Zion/Scaife, Scaife/Herbert, etc.)
3. RB: Will Harris or Lingard make a sophomore leap into superstardom. I'm not talking about natural progression or Travis Homer's leap in 2017. I'm talking Clinton Portis flashes when he made the leap.
4. WR: Will JT and Pope be used as they should - being moved around, jet sweeps, option routes, etc.? This alone can change 3rd down conversion %.
5. TE: Will the TEs be used in a way to dictate defensive coverage? Another enormous factor in the transformation of 3rd down conversion %.

Defense

1. DT: My second biggest question on the team in terms of the committee approach we seem to be heading toward. Who will disrupt 3rd down pockets? Who will consistently collapse plays to get teams behind schedule, as per Manny's previous system requires. I'm fine with getting it from a committee, but someone needs to leap.
2. S: My third biggest question on the team is whether our young Safeties will be adequate or surprise in comparison to two experienced, NFL-level Safeties who'd played in our defensive system that places a lot of pressure on Safeties.
3. DE: Will Hill be healthy, Rousseau make a leap and Garvin show out in his contract year to the level of what I've called the best pass rushing trio in the country? The numbers would have to show 35+ TFLs between them, if healthy.
4. LB: Will Pinck or Shaq have a Dan Morgan-type senior year?
5. CB: Will the second corner (Ivey?) make a leap like Michael Jackson in 2017?

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bshaw28

Jul 24, 2019

brock said:
Those fumbles greatly attributed to the 3 losses imo especially the ga tech and duke games. But i hope he proves me wrong too and as you said there are concerns there for sure. Pretty sure on the duke fumbles Miami had momentum and at least one was near midfield. Not only that but that was a point swing because who’s to say we wouldn’t have scored on that drive if not because of the fumble

He only fumbled in 2 games

BC
Deejay didn't fumble in this game....but you're attributing the loss to Deejay fumbling.
Deejay fielding 1 kickoff at the 3 yd line was nothing compared to Malik throwing 2 INT's at our own 10 & 33 on back to back possessions.

GT
Deejay fumbled at our own 23 in the 1st Quarter when the game was 7-7
N'Kosi fumbled at our own 40 in the 2nd Quarter when the game was 14-7
Thomas fumbled at our own 10 in the 3rd Quarter when the game was 17-14

Duke
No argument if you say Deejay's 2 fumbles were the main cause of this loss.

Blaming Deejay for Duke is fine. Blaming him for GT is a big stretch. Blaming him for BC has no basis at all.

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DadeBaby

Jul 24, 2019

ThomasM said:
No one will have a Dan Morgan type senior season. I wish, but I just can't see it. Morgan was everywhere.

FACTS

brock

Jul 24, 2019

bshaw28 said:
He only fumbled in 2 games

BC
Deejay didn't fumble in this game....but you're attributing the loss to Deejay fumbling.
Deejay fielding 1 kickoff at the 3 yd line was nothing compared to Malik throwing 2 INT's at our own 10 & 33 on back to back possessions.

GT
Deejay fumbled at our own 23 in the 1st Quarter when the game was 7-7
N'Kosi fumbled at our own 40 in the 2nd Quarter when the game was 14-7
Why would Deejay's fumble be so much worse?

Duke
No argument if you say Deejay's 2 fumbles were the main cause of this loss.

Blaming Deejay for Duke is fine. Blaming him for GT is a big stretch. Blaming him for BC has no basis at all.

Year you are right, still can’t have that though either way

DadeBaby

Jul 24, 2019

@LuCane
I like these kids.... especially Pinck.... but what are you smoking dude... You just mentioned these kids in the same sentence as Dan Morgan

... Dan “The Great Freakin” Morgan... These are nice kids but, Dan was a “Killer” ...I think If Dan wouldn’t have had football, he would be in the same sentence as Ted Bundy, Dan had the potential to have even more bodies than Ted.
I respect you for your knowledge but you went overboard with this one my dude.

LuCane

Jul 24, 2019

DadeBaby said:
@LuCane
I like these kids.... especially Pinck.... but what are you smoking dude... You just mentioned these kids in the same sentence as Dan Morgan... Dan “The Great Freakin” Morgan... These are nice kids but, Dan was a “Killer” ...I think If Dan wouldn’t have had football, he would be in the same sentence as Ted Bundy, Dan had the potential to have even more bodies than Ted.
I respect you for your knowledge but you went overboard with this one my dude.

As has been explained multiple times, I’m not talking about current guys meeting the statistical production or level of a guy like Dan Morgan. I consider Morgan’s senior year a leap from his junior season. He hit a higher gear. I am asking the question if we might see a leap from either Pinck or Shaq. From THEIR previous year(s). Again, if they become more dominant than what they have shown, that would be *like* the *leap* Morgan made - not like Dan Morgan, the 1st rounder, as a player. See the difference?

streetja

Jul 24, 2019

Liberty City El said:
We replaced Rayshawn Jenkins & Jamal Carter in 2016 after their Senior years with Jaquan Johnson & Sheldrick Redwine. And Redwine was a converted CB that had never played Safety before.

Jaquan was a pretty significant contributor the year before he was named starter. Had nearly double the tackles than Hall and Carter had combined last year.

DadeBaby

Jul 25, 2019

LuCane said:
As has been explained multiple times, I’m not talking about current guys meeting the statistical production or level of a guy like Dan Morgan. I consider Morgan’s senior year a leap from his junior season. He hit a higher gear. I am asking the question if we might see a leap from either Pinck or Shaq. From THEIR previous year(s). Again, if they become more dominant than what they have shown, that would be *like* the *leap* Morgan made - not like Dan Morgan, the 1st rounder, as a player. See the difference?

NO!!! Still not a good comparison... Dan’s Sophomore year was more productive than these kids best years combined.
I understand what you’re saying, but they aren’t built like that. So in my opinion I would have to say NO if Dan’s gear is the standard of a leap we’re looking for this year from these nice boys.
It’s pretty unrealistic and quite unfair, and yes the game is played much different now, but they are still just a different breed of dogs.
Love them to death.
All I keep thinking about is Wisconsin 2yrs back 2 back.
Go Canes
Dan’s tackles
Fr-105
So-150
Jr-139
Sr-138

Shaq/ Pinck
Fr -84/61
So-83/68
Jr-82/74

DadeBaby

Jul 25, 2019

If they prove me wrong, I’ll eat it and pay. I just don’t see it

LuCane

Jul 25, 2019

DadeBaby said:
NO!!! Still not a good comparison... Dan’s Sophomore year was more productive than these kids best years combined.
I understand what you’re saying, but they aren’t built like that. So in my opinion I would have to say NO if Dan’s gear is the standard of a leap we’re looking for this year from these nice boys.
It’s pretty unrealistic and quite unfair, and yes the game is played much different now, but they are still just a different breed of dogs.
Love them to death.
All I keep thinking about is Wisconsin 2yrs back 2 back.
Go Canes
Dan’s tackles
Fr-105
So-150
Jr-139
Sr-138

Shaq/ Pinck
Fr -84/61
So-83/68
Jr-82/74

Ha. Listen, man, I feel ya, but you can't compare production solely off tackles in an era with totally different sets and style of play.

Let's just hope they hit a different gear during their money year.

DadeBaby

Jul 25, 2019

LuCane said:
Ha. Listen, man, I feel ya, but you can't compare production solely off tackles in an era with totally different sets and style of play.

Let's just hope they hit a different gear during their money year.

Hey I agree, it’s definitely a different game today.
And I Really hope they hit a different gear, but their gear is still going to be no where near Dan’s.
I think more realistically is the jump Colin McCarthy made his senior year with Jr-Sean Spence, a very solid duo that nobody wants to hear about in comparisons.
Not the Super Sexxi Dan Morgan, but it’s a lot closer to reality.
A Pit Bull is a Pit Bull and a Shih Tzu is a Shih Tzu. Both good dogs, just different breeds.
NEVER MENTION THESE KIDS IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THAT MAN!!!

Gideon15

Jul 25, 2019

D_G87 said:
6. How many times will I yell “ WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING KNOWLES?” During the course of the season...

5 Times in the first 4 games.

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Tee3000

Jul 25, 2019

Liberty City El said:
We replaced Rayshawn Jenkins & Jamal Carter in 2016 after their Senior years with Jaquan Johnson & Sheldrick Redwine. And Redwine was a converted CB that had never played Safety before.

Jaquan played a ton with jenk & Carter.

6ix Natty's

Jul 25, 2019

streetja said:
Jaquan was a pretty significant contributor the year before he was named starter. Had nearly double the tackles than Hall and Carter had combined last year.

Amari Carter was actually a significant contributor his Freshman year (26 tkls, 2 sks, 1 FF). Not sure what happened last year why Knowles got more snaps than him but Carter has a lot of game experience. 25 out of 26 games played (mostly special teams), 2 starts. Remember Redwine had never played safety in college prior to 2017 and stepped in just fine. I think the safety concerns might be a little overstated.

6ix Natty's

Jul 25, 2019

Let's not forget what he did in the 1st college game of his career
R.I.P.

OldhamA

Jul 25, 2019

streetja said:
The safety position is my biggest question mark on defense. We've seen the DL have to replace huge contributors each year Manny's been here and yet we've never skipped a beat. We lose Willis but we gained solid depth at DT and with a great combination of veterans and talented young guys.

The safety situation however is something we haven't seen before. No veteran presence, no returning starter, no significant playing time for either expected starter. I wonder if we see a change in aggressive mentality if the safeties can't be trusted and how much that'll affect our defense.

Did we not go from Jenkins / Carter to Johnson / Redwine under Diaz without much drop off?

streetja

Jul 25, 2019

OldhamA said:
Did we not go from Jenkins / Carter to Johnson / Redwine under Diaz without much drop off?

Jaquan was primed to take over the starting spot his Junior year. Played a lot throughout his sophomore season and saw plenty of action in our biggest games.

Redwine had his lapses at moments as you'd expect. It was huge having an experienced Jaquan to pair him with.

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NorthEastCane

Jul 25, 2019

Tee3000 said:
He is dynamic..as a pure football player & you just can’t recognize that. Guys that can run, catch, block, hit, tackle, & make routine plays are dynamic. He might not a game changing speed or explosiveness but his attributes makes him a beast football player in totality.

I didn’t call him a beast at RB. He’s a beast football player.

I guess we all have different definitions of beast. But the one most commonly heard is that regardless what attributes they have, they show up every game, particularly when the competition steps up. I'm sure he'll continue to improve. We shall see if he plays like a beast in the ACC championship game or bowl season.

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Tee3000

Jul 25, 2019

NorthEastCane said:
I guess we all have different definitions of beast. But the one most commonly heard is that regardless what attributes they, they show up every game, particularly when the competition steps up. I'm sure he'll continue to improve. We shall see if he plays like a beast in the ACC championship game of bowl season.

We sure do have different opinions so go away bc you aren’t changing mine.

That ain’t commonly heard ****...that’s Uber babble that you’ve made up.

He shows up every week in a multifaceted fashion. You can’t measure it bc you simply don’t know football. No player ever was 100% all the time.

simplycanes

Jul 25, 2019

I'd be happy with mere efficiency from the QB1 to start the season compared to the 4 yd/at or whatever we had last season...

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NorthEastCane

Jul 25, 2019

Tee3000 said:
We sure do have different opinions so go away bc you aren’t changing mine.

That ain’t commonly heard ****...that’s Uber babble that you’ve made up.

He shows up every week in a multifaceted fashion. You can’t measure it bc you simply don’t know football. No player ever was 100% all the time.

That's only your opinion.

Sean Taylor and Jerome Brown brought it every week (just to name a couple). I believe we both can agree they were beasts.

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5 Fall Camp Questions on both sides of the ball

5 Fall Camp Questions on both sides of the ball

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