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And they have the #1 total defense in the nation, and the #3 scoring defense in the nation. And they are doing it with the old regimes players, who were recruited for a 4-3.

Why is it that those coaches could come into that program, who never recruits anyone worth crap, and completely change the scheme to a 3-4 and by the second year have arguably the best defense in all of football? Yet our coaches in year 4 feature the 15th total defense and 32nd scoring defenses with a half dozen blue chip recruits.

I've said it a million times, especially in todays game: recruiting ability of the head coach and the coordinators is the most overrated thing on earth. Great coaches can get their program humming their way by the second year. It doesn't take 5 recruiting classes to go from a 4-3 to an elite 3-4 defense. Wisconsin proved it.

Our offense is #43 in total O, and #47 in scoring O, with one of the best players in all of football, and elite QB, an NFL TE, NFL wideouts, and an NFL left tackle. In year two of Coley's system. Is it unreasonable to expect that we have at least a top 25 offense in year two?
 
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A lot of aspects going into total offense. We play at a slow pace on offense which hurts our total numbers. We have currently run 65.1 plays a game which is good for 124th out of 128 in the nation. Miami is currently 6th in yards per play vs D1 opponents. You can tell its a concerted effort to slow the game down by the coaches, I'm assuming this comes from Golden. I wouldn't be so quick to blame Coley on this issue.

I personally don't have a huge problem with this for this year with a true FR QB (don't love it). That said, this better not be a thing we do in the future. We need to take advantage of our athletic advantage, the more snaps that we can get on offense the better.

Sometimes you have to peel back the layers of these stats to see the true story.
 
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As far as Wisconsin, I"m a big fan of Aranda, their DC. He shows a ton of different pre snap looks and put a lot of pressure on an offense and QB. That said, Wisconsin also holds the ball a lot on offense and hasn't played good offenses this year.

He would be a good option here if we ever go to a more attacking style 3-4 (please let this happen).

For comparison, Wisconsin (with Wisconsin athletes) and Miami vs Nebraska

Total Yards given up:

Wisconsin: 180
Miami: 456

Rushing:

Wisconsin: 118
Miami: 343

Abdullah:

Wisconsin: 69
Miami: 229


Pretty telling stuff. Schemes/Philosophies matter.
 
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I like Whiskys 3-4, they bring alot of pressure and play mostly single gap, no 2 gap BS





And I expect the Golden slurpers to try to bump this thread and beat there chests after the next Whisky loss, in typical fashion.
 
Aranda is a very bright upcoming coach. He did very. good work at Utah State previously. Aranda is one of these coaches that affects positive change immediately wherever he goes. In other words he's a **** good coach and pretty soon he is going to get snapped up by one of the truly elite programs as a DC or get a shot to be the HC at a school like Indiana or Iowa State.

I would be absolutely thrilled if we could land him as our DC. I would be perfectly happy to have a talent like him calling the defense for 3 years before landing an NFL gig. At this stage however I seriously doubt we could/would offer enough money to compete with the likes of the $EC/FSU

Therin lies the problem with the current administration. They are not nearly proactive enough in terms of identifying young coaching talent before they become known commodities and command more money than we are willing to pay.

I realize that hindsight is 20/20 but if we had an admin committed to the football program we could have scooped up coaches such as Gary Patterson, Jim Harbaugh, Gus Malzahn( we were calling for him since his OC days at Tulsa) and whoever else I can't remember right now before they became hot. The point being that if many on this board can identify promising young coaching talent then there should be somebody within the administration capable of doing the same.
 
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They made a great hire with Gary Andersen. He is a great defensive coach too. Was the Utah d coordinator when they beat bama in the sugar bowl.
 
You could hire Bill Walsh as OC and Buddy Ryan as DC, and Folden would still fck it up. It's his approach to the game of football and lack of ability to lead men and push the right buttons to get the most out of them that is killing the program.

For instance, we're almost last in plays per game. That's the sort of philosophical approach you see from a HC at an overmatched program. They slow the game down in an attempt to protect their defense and sneak out with a win. They don't trust their athletes to make plays.

Coley has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with that philosophical approach. The HC dictates all of that. Does anyone who isn't drawing white smoke from Folden's meat pipe think Coley has that sort of personality and soft approach to the game?
 
The difference is our defensive coaches are humps and wouldn't be employed by anyone but big Al.


Pray some big 10 school thows cash at Albert and he bounces like round ball.
 
1 serious question: how would we have fared against Nebraska and ga tech playing like we have recently? It is baffling to me and I am sure many others why we waited to change but I can't deny I see progress and aggression.

3 comments:

1) iirc wisky got up early on Nebraska which really knocked them out of what they like to do. If we had done what we did against fsu to any of our other three losses we win those games handily. Again, baffling we didn't but gives me a sliver of hope.

2) wisky has played a dog**** schedule. We would have their record against that schedule.

3). The offensive observation is spot on regarding yards per play. Think unc basketball v UVA. Roy Williams runs up-tempo well and has had success with superior athletes. Tony Bennett slows the game down and competes with fewer stars. You could also look at tcu/Oregon/Baylor v bama but flip the talent scenario. I personally like our pro-set ball control with big play capability. I think being too conservative on occasion, our lack of success on third down, and tempo control are three entirely separate things.
 
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The Franchise said:
You could hire Bill Walsh as OC and Buddy Ryan as DC, and Folden would still fck it up. It's his approach to the game of football and lack of ability to lead men and push the right buttons to get the most out of them that is killing the program.

For instance, we're almost last in plays per game. That's the sort of philosophical approach you see from a HC at an overmatched program. They slow the game down in an attempt to protect their defense and sneak out with a win. They don't trust their athletes to make plays.

Coley has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with that philosophical approach. The HC dictates all of that. Does anyone who isn't drawing white smoke from Folden's meat pipe think Coley has that sort of personality and soft approach to the game?
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Some of the best teams in college football sit solidly in the bottom half of the rankings in plays per game. The difference? Their defenses get them the ball back more often. We have many issues. Tempo is not one.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
Aranda is a very bright upcoming coach. He did very. good work at Utah State previously. Aranda is one of these coaches that affects positive change immediately wherever he goes. In other words he's a **** good coach and pretty soon he is going to get snapped up by one of the truly elite programs as a DC or get a shot to be the HC at a school like Indiana or Iowa State.

I would be absolutely thrilled if we could land him as our DC. I would be perfectly happy to have a talent like him calling the defense for 3 years before landing an NFL gig. At this stage however I seriously doubt we could/would offer enough money to compete with the likes of the $EC/FSU

Therin lies the problem with the current administration. They are not nearly proactive enough in terms of identifying young coaching talent before they become known commodities and command more money than we are willing to pay.

I realize that hindsight is 20/20 but if we had an admin committed to the football program we could have scooped up coaches such as Gary Patterson, Jim Harbaugh, Gus Malzahn( we were calling for him since his OC days at Tulsa) and whoever else I can't remember right now before they became hot. The point being that if many on this board can identify promising young coaching talent then there should be somebody within the administration capable of doing the same.
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We outbid FSU for Coley. Both OC and DC make over 500k, I think. That will not buy Bama's guy but certainly get others attention. Randy and staff got shot dollars -- busy paying off that idiot B-ball coach and Coker's stupid extension. Al and staff got some paydays. He has worked the administration very well. Problem is not moeny now. It is coaches worth the money. Kaaya is making Coley look much better than last year(now that he has cut down on his stupid WR screens). Nobody can help Al's defense except different approach.
 
Lol, at recruiting ability being over rated.

Saban told Bama higher ups when he got the job, "you didn't get the best coach you got the best recruiter"

Look at FSU Dumbo sucked until he got Winston, and the example are all over the place.
 
umhurricano said:
1 serious question: how would we have fared against Nebraska and ga tech playing like we have recently? It is baffling to me and I am sure many others why we waited to change but I can't deny I see progress and aggression.

3 comments:

1) iirc wisky got up early on Nebraska which really knocked them out of what they like to do. If we had done what we did against fsu to any of our other three losses we win those games handily. Again, baffling we didn't but gives me a sliver of hope.

2) wisky has played a dog**** schedule. We would have their record against that schedule.

3). The offensive observation is spot on regarding yards per play. Think unc basketball v UVA. Roy Williams runs up-tempo well and has had success with superior athletes. Tony Bennett slows the game down and competes with fewer stars. You could also look at tcu/Oregon/Baylor v bama but flip the talent scenario. I personally like our pro-set ball control with big play capability. I think being too conservative on occasion, our lack of success on third down, and tempo control are three entirely separate things.
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You didn't. Nebraska actually jumped on top of UW early and then the Badgers rattled off 56 straight on them. They may have not played the best schedule but we haven't either. Not to mention the fact that they did with ALOT less of a caliber athlete than what we have here. Make no mistake if by the grace of God we could get him down here our defense would be a wrecking crew and quickly.
 
Do they play against spread offenses much. They say Als D is made for the B1G 10. Moaners can't have it both ways.

When you run the ball that well any semblance of defense looks much better.
 
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Do they play against spread offenses much. They say Als D is made for the B1G 10. Moaners can't have it both ways.

When you run the ball that well any semblance of defense looks much better.
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Huh? We played a common opponent in Nebraska, who destroyed us and who they crushed.

And while I agree that rushing offense definitely improves defense, you are talking about the number 1 defense in college right now, with the number 3 scoring defense in college right now. In year two. Get me a coaching staff who can get it done like that, not some excuse maker who has mediocre units across the board in YEAR FOUR.
 
The staff has been inept. Let me say that first.

They have adjusted finally. It looks promising as well.

But show me their total yards allowed etc against ours i bet the difference is less than 30 yds a game
 
tbaycane said:
The staff has been inept. Let me say that first.

They have adjusted finally. It looks promising as well.

But show me their total yards allowed etc against ours i bet the difference is less than 30 yds a game
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It's better but still not where a Miami defense should be. 26th vs FBS opponents. Just couldn't stop FSU in the entire 2nd half an gave up 30.

Not sure it's promising because there is a cap bc of the way we play. We will never overwhelm offenses with our current scheme.
 
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