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X's and O's Question on Ivey play

In a situation where every fan of either team in the building, the announcers, and everyone watching at home knew a fake was coming....


Patke and Manny didn't want to waste one of their 3 timeouts to make sure the guys on the field understood their responsibilities.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Here's the play from 2 different angles. I have no idea what they've been taught to do, but the 3 things that stand out to me:

1st Angle - #55 Shaq is frozen in the middle of the field. He doesn't move until well after the pass is thrown
2nd Angle - #2 Bandy is engaged with the gunner on his side much more than Ivey
2nd Angle - #8 Ivey just standing and watching the play is a really bad visual

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It's very strange. KJ is back there in case there actually is a punt. Ivey engaged the guy, turned and ran with him for 5 yards, then stopped, almost like he heard a whistle (not defending him). There's no way he thought KJ was supposed to cover over the top; KJ isn't covering anybody; he's the return man. So, if it's a punt, Ivey has to block the guy for KJ. If it's not a punt, Ivey has to cover the guy. Either way, Ivey has a guy as his assignment, and he just stops on the play.

Think about this for a minute. If right before the play Coach Diaz said any of your names, and said "get in there against their gunner." You'd say, "but I'm not dressed out, and I'm old." He says "I don't care, the U needs you," he snaps his fingers and you're magically dressed out, "now get out there." You say to yourself, "dream come true", you line up, trying not to **** your pants because you don't want to ***** up, and without any instruction at all, nothing, no help from anyone, you would have run with the gunner (regardless of whether it's a punt or a pass to your guy or even a run by the punter).

So, as stupid as a call it would be for Diaz to put one of us in the game, does he really have to tell Ivey to stay with the gunner?
 
bshaw28 said:
Here's the play from 2 different angles. I have no idea what they've been taught to do, but the 3 things that stand out to me:

1st Angle - #55 Shaq is frozen in the middle of the field. He doesn't move until well after the pass is thrown
2nd Angle - #2 Bandy is engaged with the gunner on his side much more than Ivey
2nd Angle - #8 Ivey just standing and watching the play is a really bad visual

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God, it looks even worse today than it did on Saturday. smh
 
It is called no being prepared.

When players are prepared and understand exactly what they are supposed to do you don't get so many blown coverage plays. You don't get a player watching another player run by on a punt fake.
 
This one is 100% on the player. Diaz said in his press conference DJ was supposed to be engaged on his side just like Bandy was. I hate to say it but DJ is just food on the field. I’d rather see Williams or Couch
 
Ivey is simply a bad football player. Doesn’t matter where he’s put or what his assignment is. The guy is a liability every time he’s on the field. Ergo, he should never be on the field.
 
Vizslacane said:
It's very strange. KJ is back there in case there actually is a punt. Ivey engaged the guy, turned and ran with him for 5 yards, then stopped, almost like he heard a whistle (not defending him). There's no way he thought KJ was supposed to cover over the top; KJ isn't covering anybody; he's the return man. So, if it's a punt, Ivey has to block the guy for KJ. If it's not a punt, Ivey has to cover the guy. Either way, Ivey has a guy as his assignment, and he just stops on the play.

Think about this for a minute. If right before the play Coach Diaz said any of your names, and said "get in there against their gunner." You'd say, "but I'm not dressed out, and I'm old." He says "I don't care, the U needs you," he snaps his fingers and you're magically dressed out, "now get out there." You say to yourself, "dream come true", you line up, trying not to **** your pants because you don't want to ***** up, and without any instruction at all, nothing, no help from anyone, you would have run with the gunner (regardless of whether it's a punt or a pass to your guy or even a run by the punter).

So, as stupid as a call it would be for Diaz to put one of us in the game, does he really have to tell Ivey to stay with the gunner?
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Just speechless watching Ivey.
 
Ivey didn't even try and that shows intent to not try and state of mind - not sure what else can be said.
 
As bad as that play was it didn't cost us the game, GT pushin' Manny's $h!t in for 207 yds. on the ground with the same play over and over and over and over and over and over again...did.
 
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Lester Burnham said:
****** coaching and playing like **** aren't mutually exclusive. There's not an X's and O's answer as to why we had to suffer through that colossal **** up. Our staff treats special teams like a nuisance they have to tolerate. If the coaches dont take it seriously, why should we expect it of the players?
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Bring back Don Soldinger
 
Ecush said:
In a situation where every fan of either team in the building, the announcers, and everyone watching at home knew a fake was coming....


Patke and Manny didn't want to waste one of their 3 timeouts to make sure the guys on the field understood their responsibilities.
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You are correct and we took all 3 timeouts into the half with us. This just keeps repeating itself
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
As bad as that play was it didn't cost us the game, GT pushin' Manny's $h!t in for 207 yds. on the ground with the same play over and over and over and over and over and over again...did.
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Can someone explain what adjustments should/could have been made to prevent gt from running outside so effectively, it seemed like no one had contain/leverage...was it an alignment/formation issue?
 
For the record, that was KJ in the 84 jersey trying to make the tackle near the goal line. I'm sure ya'll know he puts that 84 jersey on over his 2 when he and Bandy are on the field at the same time.
 
On punt you never let the gunner run wild. The safe should be the rushers dropping into a coverage shell. We’d always do quarters with a spy’s on up men/punter
 
Ecush said:
In a situation where every fan of either team in the building, the announcers, and everyone watching at home knew a fake was coming....


Patke and Manny didn't want to waste one of their 3 timeouts to make sure the guys on the field understood their responsibilities.
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Waste a timeout to explain to the DB what the play is?
 
I really believe this was a case of someone on the sideline yelling “FAKE!” and Ivey turning around back to the line of scrimmage, probably anticipating run fake. Because it appears that Ivey stops the moment it becomes obvious that the play is a fake punt. If that is the case, the call should be “PASS” or “RUN” or something to that effect to take away the indecision.

I’m not sure about this at all, and could be purely speculation. But after watching this and paying attention to the timing of how it all broke down. I am more apt to attribute this to a newbie special teams coach and a bad choice of on field terminology than I am to blame a kid who has never been the type to quit on a play, sure he has allowed some tough catches this season but from I’ve seen he’s rarely out of positions and he’s not the type to get beat because of lack of effort. I’m guessing this was poor communication,
 
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Ecush said:
If they dont know what to do? *** yeah. Any coach in the world would spend a timeout to directly prevent a TD
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We didn't know that Ivey was clueless until the guy was running free ten yards behind him. What makes you think anyone knew that he was lost out there?
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
We didn't know that Ivey was clueless until the guy was running free ten yards behind him. What makes you think anyone knew that he was lost out there?
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Players do what they are taught to do or allowed to do.

Patke clearly did not teach Ivey well enough what his responsibility is on a punt safe situation. Unless of course you believe patke wanted Ivey to release the gunner.

In that situation you know there is a very likely fake happening. The team needs to be ready. They were not. If you think for a second there may be a breakdown, call TO and get everyone on the same page.
 
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