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I've read here that we were in "punt safe". Maybe someone else said we were in "cover 2". Whatever defense we were in, is there a scenario in which the coaches would call for the gunner coverer not to cover him (other than a blitz)?

I understand the argument that this is on the coaches for not coaching the players in a way that they always know what to do, particularly the easy ones like this. I just don't know any level of football where the defensive player lining up on either of the punt team's gunners would ever just let them go, UNLESS, the coaches had called a blitz, which clearly was not the call.

So, my real question is what was Ivey doing/thinking? I really am hoping for an X's and O's discussion, and not have people who have never even met DJ bash his character in every way possible.
 
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****** coaching and playing like **** aren't mutually exclusive. There's not an X's and O's answer as to why we had to suffer through that colossal **** up. Our staff treats special teams like a nuisance they have to tolerate. If the coaches dont take it seriously, why should we expect it of the players?
 
I can't speak to what Ivey was coached to do but he should have jammed the receiver and played underneath coverage. If he had he would have had an easy pick and a good return if not pick 6. he barely laid a hand on the guy letting him run free up the sideline. The safety over the top didn't have a chance. But if you go back to the Florida game, Blades job was to contain in case of a fake punt and he didn't play his keys and let the guy get around him and get the first down. So, two different cases of very poor special teams play.

It's clear that GaTech saw this and schemed to it successfully. Poor coaching.
 
How the F were we in Cover 2 with one man back and no other safety dropping back for a back half?

We played man to man and Ivey fell asleep thinking he had deep help when he should have been running his guy out of bounds at the minimum so he couldn't catch the ball. Sure KJ could have played safety a little better but he isn't a D guy and is your last resort if your CB fails.

Now Punt Safe should have had a second player back there like Couch, Williams, Hightower... that has ball skills to catch a punt AND cover a kid that is getting thrown to.

Even without Punt Safe, Ivey gave up on the play and should never be allowed to play ST again because he freaking quit on the play. Do you want any gunner to quit running downfield? NO!
 
Vizslacane said:
I've read here that we were in "punt safe". Maybe someone else said we were in "cover 2". Whatever defense we were in, is there a scenario in which the coaches would call for the gunner coverer not to cover him (other than a blitz)?

I understand the argument that this is on the coaches for not coaching the players in a way that they always know what to do, particularly the easy ones like this. I just don't know any level of football where the defensive player lining up on either of the punt team's gunners would ever just let them go, UNLESS, the coaches had called a blitz, which clearly was not the call.

So, my real question is what was Ivey doing/thinking? I really am hoping for an X's and O's discussion, and not have people who have never even met DJ bash his character in every way possible.
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Manny says they clearly covered the fake punt for a second time. Said it was also the second time they were in punt safety expecting a fake. So its looks like Ivey was a sleep thinking he had safety help behind him when he should have covered their guy.
 
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The only possible thing I can think is he saw the punter pull the ball in, thought he was going to run for the 1st down, froze and it got thrown right over him. How could he think he has "safety help" when the only person behind him is the ******* punt returner?
 
He was supposed to trail the gunner there. The other play in question where he left his man go for a TD (this time a WR) we were in cover 2 or appeared to be at least
 
You can accept effort plays that turn out badly but there is no excuse for no effort resulting in a game changing TD.

Kosi's was a bone headed play but at least it wasn't for lack of effort.
 
Here's the play from 2 different angles. I have no idea what they've been taught to do, but the 3 things that stand out to me:

1st Angle - #55 Shaq is frozen in the middle of the field. He doesn't move until well after the pass is thrown
2nd Angle - #2 Bandy is engaged with the gunner on his side much more than Ivey
2nd Angle - #8 Ivey just standing and watching the play is a really bad visual

 
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Vizslacane said:
I've read here that we were in "punt safe". Maybe someone else said we were in "cover 2". Whatever defense we were in, is there a scenario in which the coaches would call for the gunner coverer not to cover him (other than a blitz)?

I understand the argument that this is on the coaches for not coaching the players in a way that they always know what to do, particularly the easy ones like this. I just don't know any level of football where the defensive player lining up on either of the punt team's gunners would ever just let them go, UNLESS, the coaches had called a blitz, which clearly was not the call.

So, my real question is what was Ivey doing/thinking? I really am hoping for an X's and O's discussion, and not have people who have never even met DJ bash his character in every way possible.
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It's looks like we were in some type of 4-2-5 Punt safe. 4 Lineman, 2 Striker LBs, and 4 DBs + KJ Osborn deep. The fact that Osborn was in the game ("You can see him trying to make the tackle deep) means we were in "punt safe" because another DB would have been in the game otherwise. I DON'T like the formation because it is defending against the run and leaving all the DBs 1 v 1. KJ back in the backend is useless because GT was on the 40., there would have been no return if GT had punted. Bolden and Finnley are in the box starring into the backfield completely out of position not able to make a play because they are hedging towards a fake punt run or short pass. Like the 4 &17 in the UNC game, I would have preferred 3 safeties at the first down line with 3-4 DBs in front of them. That would have forced the pass short. In the case of GT, the receiver would have been double covered. Again, these are coaching decisions.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Here's the play from 2 different angles. I have no idea what they've been taught to do, but the 3 things that stand out to me:

1st Angle - #55 Shaq is frozen in the middle of the field. He doesn't move until well after the pass is thrown
2nd Angle - #2 Bandy is engaged with the gunner on his side much more than Ivey
2nd Angle - #8 Ivey just standing and watching the play is a really bad visual

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Thank you for providing the clip and providing some analysis!
 
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