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Liberty City El said:
Rousseua, Brevin, Nesta & Gurvan Hall would all start at those programs imo.

But you also have to factor in those schools have significantly better facilities, S&C programs than we do, so they actually develop their players to their potential, which means they would take some of the guys we got & make them even better.
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I 100% agree with this. Those guys would be monsters at those programs and playing at a level they will never reach here
 
Liberty City El said:
Bama is starting a True Freshman at LG, a TF at DE, a TF a NT, 2 TF's at 2 LB spots & True Sophomore at CB. They also started Jeudy, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Tua & Leatherwood all when they were True Freshmen too.

Clemson went 15-0 & won a natty last year with a TF QB & TF WR, plus are starting a TF at DT & have True Sophomores starting at LT, WR, QB, DE & CB this season.

Oh St started JK Dobbins when he was a TF & have True Sophomores starting at QB, Center, RG & CB.

The prevailing thought that the powerhouse schools don't start kids as TF/Red FR/Soph is a complete myth.

It ain't the 80's/90's no more, you can't use youth as an excuse. Every single major championship contending program starts young players all over the field at multiple positions, even the most important ones... Every single one of them.
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Exactly. Big difference though is that the freshmen at those schools are - by in large - more college ready than many of ours. Look at guys like Neal, Leatherwood, and others you mentioned. For those positions, there's a big difference. However, at WR/RB, we always maange to struggle to play the young guys (by in large).
 
Come on. I been railing on manny and was mad at richt but we have a lot of kids who were recruited by top schools.
 
Liberty City El said:
They would be in Bama & Clemson's program because they actually develop their guys & get them on the field early.

It doesn't really matter if you start a young player out of necessity or luxury, their performance is based on how fast as a program you can get them caught up in Strength & Conditioning, and how fast they take to the playbook & are put in position to succeed early.

The fact that we have to rely on young guys early should actually force us to shift the focus as a program into speeding up the process in which we develop our players. Instead constant trying to use it as a clutch to defend mediocrity use is as a tool to build our team to it's strengths.

The fact is, there's no more excuses bruh. Every program in D1 plays TF/Red FR/TS's all the time, all of them do including other teams in the ACC & still manage to have them as productive players & contribute to winning. Miami shouldn't be the only one that gets the lame excuse of "we're young bro!" Every year, that's just bogus.
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No man. U used Bama and Clemson. Those are extreme examples. The TF that start their have gon on to be 1st day Draft picks..Tua and Lawrence or top 5 prospects. Jeudy, cooper, Higgins, Ross are 1st rd pick talents. Xavier Thomas will be a top 10 pick. Pat surtain would be a top picks ..now we have Greg whom will be our next 1st rd pick for certain..RN Saban has that 5star Tackle we missed on last year RS..hed start RN. Along with other high 4s and 5 stars. That’s what I mean. The beast at RB they have RB wasn’t playing his 1st 2 years as the number 1 back out of HS. Bama was about to have the top LB recruit in the nation Shirt until injury hit..**** would freeze over before Saban or Dabo ever have to start 3 TF LBs (unless crazy injuries)
 
We start exactly one true freshman — Zion. (Am I missing someone?) Last year’s recruiting class was awful...We are so far away from the top programs in terms of young talent. Very discouraging.
 
305to954 said:
No man. U used Bama and Clemson. Those are extreme examples. The TF that start their have gon on to be 1st day Draft picks..Tua and Lawrence or top 5 prospects. Jeudy, cooper, Higgins, Ross are 1st rd pick talents. Xavier Thomas will be a top 10 pick. Pat surtain would be a top picks ..now we have Greg whom will be our next 1st rd pick for certain..RN Saban has that 5star Tackle we missed on last year RS..hed start RN. Along with other high 4s and 5 stars. That’s what I mean. The beast at RB they have RB wasn’t playing his 1st 2 years as the number 1 back out of HS. Bama was about to have the top LB recruit in the nation Shirt until injury hit..**** would freeze over before Saban or Dabo ever have to start 3 TF LBs (unless crazy injuries)
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I didn't use Bama & Clemson, OP did & my point was that even the major championship programs play young players all the time.

I could just as easily use UNC or AZ St, or Louisville, or any number of different schools. The idea that we lose because we play young players simply doesn't hold up when extrapolated out to teams that have a lower Blue chip ratio than us but still perform better on an annual basis.

If you think the only teams that win are all loaded with 5th year Seniors then you're either not paying attention to the modern landscape of college football or simply grasping at straws to make excuses for poor coaching.
 
Liberty City El said:
I didn't use Bama & Clemson, OP did & the point was that even the major championship programs play young players all the time.

I could just as easily use UNC or AZ St, or Louisville, or any number of different schools. The idea that we lose because we play young players simply doesn't hold up when extrapolated out to teams that have a lower Blue chip ratio than us but still perform better on an annual basis.
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I didn’t say we lose because of it..I’m saying we are stuck in a cycle of having to depend on it heavily since about 2008. Which breeds inconsistency. Young players by nature are inconsistent...rn out Dline room is in good shape. A kid like Blisset or Harvey and hunte would’ve been in the playing rotation in years past..our safety room is in good shape. I’d also say our WR room. But that’s about it going into next year. Hopefully the LBs who are injured rn recover well and can be counted on so we don’t have to start a freshman in those spots
 
Liberty City El said:
Bama is starting a True Freshman at LG, a TF at DE, a TF a NT, 2 TF's at 2 LB spots & True Sophomore at CB. They also started Jeudy, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Tua & Leatherwood all when they were True Freshmen too.

Clemson went 15-0 & won a natty last year with a TF QB & TF WR, plus are starting a TF at DT & have True Sophomores starting at LT, WR, QB, DE & CB this season.

Oh St started JK Dobbins when he was a TF & have True Sophomores starting at QB, Center, RG & CB.

The prevailing thought that the powerhouse schools don't start kids as TF/Red FR/Soph is a complete myth.

It ain't the 80's/90's no more, you can't use youth as an excuse. Every single major championship contending program starts young players all over the field at multiple positions, even the most important ones... Every single one of them.
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This is because they have actual coaches who can teach a scheme in an off-season and don't need 3 years like at Miami. Plus they understand that it helps with recruiting. I thought Richt really embraced it his first year but that thought died with Jarren chilling on the bench all last year. Diaz seems to want to redshirt everyone which is ******* dumb. Id love to see Brooks, Couch, and Williams a lot more to name a few
 
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Liberty City El said:
Our best DL is a Red Frosh...
Our best Safety is a Red Frosh...

And something doesn't add up if we've been relying on young players since 08 but yet we're still young every year, how does that work? So we start a bunch of Freshmen, then by year 3 they're still Freshmen?

As far as the LB Corp for next year, talent needs to play, if the injured upperclassmen are slow & don't make plays they need to hit the bench, it's that simple.

Our best LB next year will be Sam Brooks, the other LB's will be Redshirt Senior McCloud (who's been inconsistent his entire career) & Joyner who's hurt, Jennings who's hurt, Steed who's been hurt since he's been here, Huff & the 3 incoming Freshman of which Tirek Austin-Cave has the ability to play early & is an EE. We'll probably hit the Portal for a LB as well.

It doesn't matter how "consistent" an upperclassmen is if he's not good, slow is slow whether it's a TF or 5th year Senior.
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If you’ve followed the program from 2010 on you know the answer to the bolded...Shannon has his 08 pups..by 2010 he was canned..so the cloud from 11-13. then golden had his 2012 pups by 2015 he’s gon..MR had his 2016 pups by 18 he is gon..that’s the cycle I’m talking about. None of our last 3 coaches have seen their first prized recruiting class graduate. So what happens with that? No culture is maintained..schemes and the way things are done are changed. That can hinder a players development or can boost it. Except for 17 I’d say it’s hindered. That is a real thing

but we’ll for sure hit the portal for the LB room. Our best Lb will hopefully be not be Brooks lol. I hope we get lucky with a vet so brooks is able to be used in good spots. Remember he is new to LB.. Idk what your basing him being best off. Size and speed? Cause I’ve seen plenty of Tyrone Cornelius ,Jordan futches and Ramon Buchanan’s to know that only means something when the size/speed comes with instincts. Therefore our best Linebacker hopefully will be 53 hopefully along with one of the injured guys coming back and playing well
 
305to954 said:
If you’ve followed the program from 2010 on you know the answer to the bolded...Shannon has his 08 pups..by 2010 he was canned..so the cloud from 11-13. then golden had his 2012 pups by 2015 he’s gon..MR had his 2016 pups by 18 he is gon..that’s the cycle I’m talking about. None of our last 3 coaches have seen their first prized recruiting class graduate. So what happens with that? No culture is maintained..schemes and the way things are done are changed. That can hinder a players development or can boost it. Except for 17 I’d say it’s hindered. That is a real thing

but we’ll for sure hit the portal for the LB room. Our best Lb will hopefully be not be Brooks lol. I hope we get lucky with a vet so brooks is able to be used in good spots. Remember he is new to LB.. Idk what your basing him being best off. Size and speed? Cause I’ve seen plenty of Tyrone Cornelius ,Jordan futches and Ramon Buchanan’s to know that only means something when the size/speed comes with instincts. Therefore our best Linebacker hopefully will be 53 hopefully along with one of the injured guys coming back and playing well
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Sam Brooks does have instincts & high football IQ combined with size & speed, just because he'll be a Redshirt Frosh doesn't mean he's incapable of being a good player, idk why you're so committed to the idea that no player should ever get snaps unless they're a Junior/Senior, if it was up to you Rousseau & Gurvan would still be sitting on the bench.

The best players need to play regardless of their year, starting older upperclassmen that suck over younger more talented players is stupid & a recipe for a losing season.
 
Liberty City El said:
Sam Brooks does have instincts & high football IQ combined with size & speed, just because he'll be a Redshirt Frosh doesn't mean he's incapable of being a good player, idk why you're so committed to the idea that no player should ever get snaps unless they're a Junior/Senior, if it was up to you Rousseau & Gurvan would still be sitting on the bench.

The best players need to play regardless of their year, starting older upperclassmen that suck over younger more talented players is stupid & a recipe for a losing season.
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Never once did I say that Lol. But I’ll say this, when we was rolling even a guy like Sean Taylor, couldn’t come in and start as a True Fresh. DJ Williams had to start out at FB. Antrelle rolle had to wait a year..that’s where u want to get your program at. That’s when u start winning chips and stacking a program ...go take a look at the guys Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson have on their bench from past recruiting classes. Their 2-4 is full of blue chips waiting their turn..while our base is acting like Sam Brooks coming off a knee injury, who has good traits don’t get me wrong, is a better option then Shaq. And I’m saying you think that

your saying Brooks is better based off absolutely no evidence here other than him playing RE in HS lol..15, when we signed him I told Ppl he was going to be a first rounder, the whole fam is full of natural athletic freaks.

but I respect your point I get what your saying. I just don’t think there’s any proof of it being sustainable blueprint for success
 
Liberty City El said:
Rousseua, Brevin, Nesta & Gurvan Hall would all start at those programs imo.

But you also have to factor in those schools have significantly better facilities, S&C programs than we do, so they actually develop their players to their potential, which means they would take some of the guys we got & make them even better.
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Hall might as a junior. Nesta as a junior or senior.

Social contract wouldn’t fit as DE in the 3-4. Maybe as edge rusher but he’s a 4-3 guys. He’s elite and would start depending on depth. Same with Brevin.
 
Liberty City El said:
Bama is starting a True Freshman at LG, a TF at DE, a TF a NT, 2 TF's at 2 LB spots & True Sophomore at CB. They also started Jeudy, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Tua & Leatherwood all when they were True Freshmen too.

Clemson went 15-0 & won a natty last year with a TF QB & TF WR, plus are starting a TF at DT & have True Sophomores starting at LT, WR, QB, DE & CB this season.

Oh St started JK Dobbins when he was a TF & have True Sophomores starting at QB, Center, RG & CB.

The prevailing thought that the powerhouse schools don't start kids as TF/Red FR/Soph is a complete myth.

It ain't the 80's/90's no more, you can't use youth as an excuse. Every single major championship contending program starts young players all over the field at multiple positions, even the most important ones... Every single one of them.
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The Freshman LG at bama isn't your ordinary run of the mill dude in Evan Neal. His backup as well as the dudes he’s playing with are all heavily recruited and highly ranked players.
The freshman that start on those teams are almost all nfl locks and we knew it before they even stepped foot on a college campus. Ps2, Neal, Jeudy, Bosa etc etc.
The reality is that most of our players wouldn’t even be recruited by those schools.
When our starters go down or need a break we don’t have a few 4 or 5 star dudes ready to back them up. Those teams do in every position.
If our recruiting hadn’t fallen off the deep end in 2019 we might be looking at a different approach to roster management this year. But cmr also failed to recruit needs that we’re still hurting at.
 
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This stuff is silly. No one is saying we line up well with the best in the nation.

Do this vs the teams we are losing to like VTech, UNC, GTech.

Need to stop thinking about competing for NC. Need to starting thinking about dominating the Coastal first. Make the team/offense fun to watch and get kids excited about coming to play at Miami. Right now, they lose to teams they shouldn't and play an extremely boring style of football. Why would a big time recruit want to play in this offense right now?
 
pacusmc said:
Explain your comment on why that is.
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Our player development has been suspect for years now. Some people just wanna call guys “busts,” but it’s alot deeper than that. Joe
Jackson was good, not 5 star great. Tracy Howard, Garvin has regressed, Bandy regressed, Shaq and Pickney continue to get lost in the shuffle, fill wrong run gaps etc. that’s just a few here lately.

When is the last time we signed a top 10 kid at his position and he drafted like all the other kids at his talent level?
 
Liberty City El said:
Rousseua, Brevin, Nesta & Gurvan Hall would all start at those programs imo.

But you also have to factor in those schools have significantly better facilities, S&C programs than we do, so they actually develop their players to their potential, which means they would take some of the guys we got & make them even better.
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What hurts so bad about your post, the facilities and s&c program that our administration don’t get...smh!!!
 
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