Would Butch be the best possible hire?

[xbobdog]

I understand the Butch love, but I would prefer us getting involved with Chip Kelly. There are rumors about him to USC.

 

[Klamalama]

Ill take the hire but ill be cautiously optimistic, depending on who he hires as his assistants will determine how well we will be

 

[cane since birth]

Ill take the hire but ill be cautiously optimistic, depending on who he hires as his assistants will determine how well we will be

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It might be one if comes out with that old pro style that doesnt work now a days

 

[jkaz1]

Chip Kelly may be better than Butch - and Herman and a lot of other names that I see being thrown about - may also be better than him.

On the other hand, I know what Butch can bring to Miami - I view him as a pretty sure hit in baseball - like knowing you'll get a double when you're at the plate.

Kelly, Herman, etc. could be home run hires - or they may be whiffs.

For me that's the difference.

We've had 3 whiffs in a row.

Davis is a sure thing. We would be in the national hunt (as a long-time Miami fan I don't even talk about conference championships because those are paltry).

And his offenses weren't quite as bad as everything thinks:

RBs: Danyell Ferguson, Davenport, McGahee, Portis, Jackson, Nick Williams as a solid FB before he changed his name to something else...

WRs: Yatil Green, Johnson, Moss, Wayne, Beard....

TEs: Franks, Shockey, brought in Winslow

QBs: Covington, Dorsey, Kelly

And we had some decent OL during that time - especially toward the end - in Butch's mind that's what made us championship caliber - getting the OL to produce at a championship level....

I understand the Butch love, but I would prefer us getting involved with Chip Kelly. There are rumors about him to USC.

 

[919cane]

Safe pick? What makes him a safe pick? What has done recently in this current form of college football? Seems yall just want a steady 8-9 win team every year with a CHANCE to make a playoff push or do you want to take a chance on a guy that will bring you there every year, i like butch i wouldnt mind the hire but i really dont see him taking us there on a consistent basis imo

Why not? He previously built a team here that won 34 straight and went to 4 straight BCS bowl games.

He only coached one year of that team, the team was so talented coker won with them, also a different era when talent won you games, its not just that now a days you need more than that

That was my point. He stockpiled talent and built the top program in the country to the point where Larry Coker of all people could stroll to a title and 3 straight BCS games.

As to the you need more than talent point. People are in here talking like he's an Al Golden-esque buffoon on the sidelines. The man was a Super Bowl winning coordinator and his Miami teams finished in the AP top 20 (3 times in the top 15) every year he was here except for '97 when the bottom fell out due to the sanctions. So we finished in the top 20 4 times prior to the full flush of talent coming together in 2000.

 

[Ssoto0055]

We're cheap and refuse to pay for an elite coach. Butch is willing to come in on the cheap. He's the best bang for our buck.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I keep hearing Chip Kelly. True, he's an offensive guru with his spread, playing other PAC-12 teams, but his defensive skills pretty much sucked.

Then there's the nasty little matter of receiving an 18-month NCAA Show Cause.

No possible way he'll be hired by UM.

 

[cane since birth]

Safe pick? What makes him a safe pick? What has done recently in this current form of college football? Seems yall just want a steady 8-9 win team every year with a CHANCE to make a playoff push or do you want to take a chance on a guy that will bring you there every year, i like butch i wouldnt mind the hire but i really dont see him taking us there on a consistent basis imo

Why not? He previously built a team here that won 34 straight and went to 4 straight BCS bowl games.

He only coached one year of that team, the team was so talented coker won with them, also a different era when talent won you games, its not just that now a days you need more than that

That was my point. He stockpiled talent and built the top program in the country to the point where Larry Coker of all people could stroll to a title and 3 straight BCS games.

As to the you need more than talent point. People are in here talking like he's an Al Golden-esque buffoon on the sidelines. The man was a Super Bowl winning coordinator and his Miami teams finished in the AP top 20 (3 times in the top 15) every year he was here except for '97 when the bottom fell out due to the sanctions. So we finished in the top 20 4 times prior to the full flush of talent coming together in 2000.

What i said in my previous post is you need more than that now a days in college football, with how stacked bama is every year they should win every game and championship but its more than that, the system and mentality are key, we wont win with a old school pro style concept, you gotta be aggressive and give so many different looks, like i said it depends on who he hires as assistants, defensively we will be good with butch but the offense will be my biggest concern, and since this is a offensive game now a days offense should be a priority

 

[919cane]

Safe pick? What makes him a safe pick? What has done recently in this current form of college football? Seems yall just want a steady 8-9 win team every year with a CHANCE to make a playoff push or do you want to take a chance on a guy that will bring you there every year, i like butch i wouldnt mind the hire but i really dont see him taking us there on a consistent basis imo

Why not? He previously built a team here that won 34 straight and went to 4 straight BCS bowl games.

He only coached one year of that team, the team was so talented coker won with them, also a different era when talent won you games, its not just that now a days you need more than that

That was my point. He stockpiled talent and built the top program in the country to the point where Larry Coker of all people could stroll to a title and 3 straight BCS games.

As to the you need more than talent point. People are in here talking like he's an Al Golden-esque buffoon on the sidelines. The man was a Super Bowl winning coordinator and his Miami teams finished in the AP top 20 (3 times in the top 15) every year he was here except for '97 when the bottom fell out due to the sanctions. So we finished in the top 20 4 times prior to the full flush of talent coming together in 2000.

What i said in my previous post is you need more than that now a days in college football, with how stacked bama is every year they should win every game and championship but its more than that, the system and mentality are key, we wont win with a old school pro style concept, you gotta be aggressive and give so many different looks, like i said it depends on who he hires as assistants, defensively we will be good with butch but the offense will be my biggest concern, and since this is a offensive game now a days offense should be a priority

Good post, although I'm not 100% sold on the pro-style offense point.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I understand the Butch love, but I would prefer us getting involved with Chip Kelly. There are rumors about him to USC.

Fine. I'm tired of hearing this ***t. Let's talk Chip Kelly:

His spread offenses shocked the PAC-12, and it took a while to figure out how to defend them.

Kelly's defenses were not good. He'd run the table during regular season, play an SEC team, and get beaten - and the SEC boys are not the fastest defenders in college football.

MOST IMPORTANT: Chip Kelly got an NCAA, 18-month SHOW CAUSE. UM wouldn't TOUCH Kelly. Not in this universe.

So can we finally STFU over Chip Kelly coming to UM. Never, ever.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Picks Good Coordinators - Check.

See, this is my concern right here, especially offensively.

He hired Larry Coker and John Shoop at OC. I think Butch is conservative in nature and wants to hire a "pro style" NFL coordinator who called plays for the '06 Vikings or something. Some people don't want to hear it, but spread is the name of the game right now. With limited practice time, it's easier to teach, and requires the QB to make fewer reads, which allows young guys to play earlier.

If we hire Butch, I hope he's willing to open things up a bit.

This. I also wonder if people will be patient. I think it would take 4+ years to possibly get us to where we want to be with Butch. I don't see a one or two year turn around.

I just think Butch's hire is seen as all positives but there are legitimate cons that should worry us if he's brought back. All I want and all any canes fan wants to get the best possible coach that will lead us to the NC game and win it. Whether Butch is that guy, I just don't know. There are a lot of question marks that people are glossing over.

plus nothing healthier than a good debate.

It doesn't take 4+ years to get where we want to be. Especially with a full allotment of scholarships and the most fertile recruiting base. 3 years and we should be humming.

But it shouldn't take 3 effing years? P.S. Look at Michigain. Why would it take Butch 3 years? Because he has to mask his deficiencies as a coach with a massive talent gap.

 

[407cane]

So long as Butch is able to put together a great staff (Xs and Os) then I think we can contend for a national title within 3-4 years. If we hire Butch we need to make sure he has the resources ($$) to put together a top staff.

not necessarily bashing your post, but that could be said about any head coach. The real question is, is the administration willing to spend the $$ to do so. in the past it seems like the answer to that question has been no

 

[DaU83]

Yes.

 

[Mico Jones]

We're cheap and refuse to pay for an elite coach. Butch is willing to come in on the cheap. He's the best bang for our buck.

And this is what makes Butch such a likely possibility. We are not forking over 5 million for Kelly

 

[Mico Jones]

I understand the Butch love, but I would prefer us getting involved with Chip Kelly. There are rumors about him to USC.

Fine. I'm tired of hearing this ***t. Let's talk Chip Kelly:

His spread offenses shocked the PAC-12, and it took a while to figure out how to defend them.

Kelly's defenses were not good. He'd run the table during regular season, play an SEC team, and get beaten - and the SEC boys are not the fastest defenders in college football.

MOST IMPORTANT: Chip Kelly got an NCAA, 18-month SHOW CAUSE. UM wouldn't TOUCH Kelly. Not in this universe.

So can we finally STFU over Chip Kelly coming to UM. Never, ever.

In Kelly's defense. Kelly's fast pace no huddle puts a lot of pressure on your defense by leaving them on the field a lot. They had an attacking zone blitzing style focused on causing turnover and forcing the issue rather than keeping teams out of the end zone.

Finally, he could never get over the hump ion Oregon and recruit top level athletes consistently. He would get a couple of top West Coast kids for his offense but remember he was always trying to steal South Florida speed.

Down here. South Florida speed would be itching to play for him.

 

[MIATL]

Lol.

Gotta love it!

Guys knock Chip Kelly for what he did at Oregon, but want the guy who did considerably less at UNC.

Oregon isn't some tradition rich program. It's not located in a highly desirable area, nor is located in close proximity to major athletic talent. What Chip Kelly did with that Oregon program will only be fully appreciated after Helfrich runs the program into the ground, and gets fired.

Chip Kelly would dominate college football at a school where he could actually get NFL caliber athletes across his roster. He didn't have that at Oregon. But the guy was still good enough to qualify for 4 consecutive BCS games.

 

[Rellyrell]

Honestly, I'm cool w Butch, Herman, and Kelly...maybe I'll thrown in Hue Jackson as well....

Other than that, not feeling anyone else

 

[Phillyc55]

95-96-97-98-99... Butch lost 5 straight to fsdont want

 

[maurice3p]

Hue Jackson OC for the Cincinnati Bengals is the Guy....

 

[Gatorhater]

Maybe IF we had a BOT that wanted to win, would pay for winning and could hire anyone for any position that was worth a crap, then MAYBE there is someone better for the job than Butch. Given BOT's track record with ADs -- one gets us into nevin scandal, next one hire Golden and extents him and not satisfied with that goes out to NE and trashes them too, and of course our current girly boy -- there is no reason to expect anyone but trash from them. Given that Butch is the ONLY hire they can make.