With the UGA, Bama and Clemson bagmen in FL

[apfenny3]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

 

[bbcane]

The sec schools only want the top kids from s Florida, which is not rocket science. Per a current Georgia coach, you can’t win with a team full of s Florida guys, not my words it was his. Use your brain and you can figure who said it.

The facts are miami is not good. Most of you on this board would not sign with miami the past few years. Especially After visiting other schools with real talk of championships, also they are signing other top notch players. Just seeing how they do things and recruit, no bags included, is almost night and day. Some of these other schools are all football, the whole town/city/state/governor/mayor/senators/school president/athletic director/ people on the plane to fly there knows who you are as a high school recruit. It is just different, for the better. imo, after going through the recruiting process, I don’t know if miami will ever be back. It will take a special coach, if it happens.

 

[bbcane]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

I know the feeling. I know they can’t chase them all, but coming from you or anyone with some knowledge at least reach out

 

[We the Boss]

Miami is focused mostly on South Florida recruits. I’d be surprised if the top 5 teams in college football signed more than 15 south Florida recruits in the 2020 class.

Update:

Alabama has 3 from the entire state of Florida.
LSU has 3 from the entire state of Florida.
Georgia has 5 from Florida.
Clemson has 3 from Florida.
Oklahoma has 1 from Florida.
Oregon has 1 from Florida.
Ohio State has 1.
Baylor has 0.
Wisconsin has 0.

The top 5 teams plus Alabama, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Baylor have a total of 17 2020 recruits coming from the entire state of Florida currently.

Miami can’t compete with bags but let’s not pretend the bagman from Georgia and Alabama is taking every recruit worth taking. Plenty of top 10 and top 25 teams aren't throwing bags in Florida. Miami could miss on the top 25 south Florida players and still improve their team talent.

Look at the Florida top 25 kids every year and then tell me we are Competing. Then factor in a team like Bama takes top talent from every state.

 

[Dwinstitles]

How do the Florida schools compete for titles.
Traditional strongholds in Miami/SFL, Lakeland, Panhandle areas are now signing with these schools and Ohio state and now LSU.

I don’t see how the Florida schools ever be elite again without playing the same game.
The florida recruit seems more less willing to want to make their own programs great in-state or play at home like most recruits from GA, OH, LA, etc.

Sad to see it happen.

FSU tried harder then us to stop it....got one title and the SEC came hard. Jimbo didn't like what FSU was doing and ran away at first chance

 

[TruCane81]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

ALL OF THIS!

We got a nice recruiting base. We should use it to our advantage.

Big time programs get players nationally. Sometimes I think being in south Florida allows us to rationalize a half *** approach to recruiting.

Do you think lagging behind on recruiting budget has played a part in the lack of interest for the guys you mentioned, or was it just tunnel vision by the staff?

 

[1mg of Epi]

Maryland's WR coach is Joker Phillips who coached at UF under Muschamp & at Oh St under Urban Meyer.

If you think they didn't pay they kid to stay home you'd be sadly mistaken...

Maryland did the same thing with Anthony McFarland's recruitment, the former HC at Dematha is their RB's coach. MD is absolutely paying recruits. Most teams in college football are.

Miami's problem is we're trying to be like Stanford & Northwestern using education as the selling point for recruits, but Miami isn't on the same level academically as either of those schools so we look stupid while doing it.

We could get in the cash game if we wanted to, we just don't because we always have goody two-shoes Corches that can't recruit to save their lives & our Boosters aren't committed to winning.

The corches aren’t Supposed to be handing out bags. We just dont have a booster network.

 

[apfenny3]

ALL OF THIS!

We got a nice recruiting base. We should use it to our advantage.

Big time programs get players nationally. Sometimes I think being in south Florida allows us to rationalize a half *** approach to recruiting.

Do you think lagging behind on recruiting budget has played a part in the lack of interest for the guys you mentioned, or was it just tunnel vision by the staff?

Probably a mix of both

 

[DemCanesByke]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

Thats what i suspected was happening and it told me all i need to know

 

[Memnon]

The corches aren’t Supposed to be handing out bags. We just dont have a booster network.

I'm aware of that, but they're in control of the directives.

How exactly do you think Boosters know which recruits to pay... Coaches are insulated from the actual process, but they make sure the right ones get what they're supposed to.

 

[TruCane81]

Probably a mix of both

Ever since Stoutland’s approach was mentioned, I always thought his strategy of going after guys from Midewest big cities made hella sense.

Miami is attractive to these guys who are used to urban environments and want a change of scenery like local players who won’t stay in Florida no matter what.

We may struggle to beat Bama, Clemson, and IGA for top recruits, but we should be able to outmaneuver programs like Perdue to stack our depth chart with stud 4 stars.

Seems like ignoring guys, being sporadic with communication, and offering late is hurting us as much as bags.

 

[pacusmc]

Ever since Stoutland’s approach was mentioned, I always thought his strategy of going after guys from Midewest big cities made hella sense.

Miami is attractive to these guys who are used to urban environments and want a change of scenery like local players who won’t stay in Florida no matter what.

We may struggle to beat Bama, Clemson, and IGA for top recruits, but we should be able to outmaneuver programs like Perdue to stack our depth chart with stud 4 stars.

Seems like ignoring guys, being sporadic with communication, and offering late is hurting us as much as bags.

I posted about an Emergency residency here on Miami where most of The applicants are from the Midwest and the NE and very few from sofla.
We underestimate how much Oos kids want to come here and underestimate how much the local kids want to leave. Everyone overestimated the ability to keep local kids.
When every year we get trolled even by 3 stars it’s time to go national. Local Kids can troll us with no consequence but we have to worry about hurting local connections. Either the staff is being lazy or there is no budget for them to go get the oos kids.
I know no one wants to go look for 3 and 4 stars oos when we have plenty here. But other schools as well as our own team have successfully tarnished our brand to the point that local kids clown us on social media.
I’ve herd kids say a local kid that plays for UM is someone who wasn’t good enough to leave the city.
That’s not something that gets fixed in one season.
But again manny has the formula right in front of him. He could’ve won 9 games and beaten both Florida schools this year.
If we win 10 games and don’t get slaughtered by bama in the 21 opener that will change the local tune.
But I have a Dabo-Golden type of feeling about the 21 opener.

 

[section9]

When this team starts winning, the talent will come.

Who wants to play for an institution that is not dedicated to winning championships?

 

[Patreek]

Look at the Florida top 25 kids every year and then tell me we are Competing. Then factor in a team like Bama takes top talent from every state.

Look at the Florida top 25 kids every year and then tell me we are Competing. Then factor in a team like Bama takes top talent from every state.

I never once said Miami was competing. Incompetent staff combined with a culture of quitting and being unprepared/playing down to competition means having a top 25 team (going by recruiting rankings) is not enough to win games just by sheer talent.

Miami is a top 25 talented team with top 75 results. That’s what the program stands for today. Getting higher rated recruits isn’t a cure all.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Maryland's WR coach is Joker Phillips who coached at UF under Muschamp & at Oh St under Urban Meyer.

If you think they didn't pay they kid to stay home you'd be sadly mistaken...

Maryland did the same thing with Anthony McFarland's recruitment, the former HC at Dematha is their RB's coach. MD is absolutely paying recruits. Most teams in college football are.

Miami's problem is we're trying to be like Stanford & Northwestern using education as the selling point for recruits, but Miami isn't on the same level academically as either of those schools so we look stupid while doing it.

We could get in the cash game if we wanted to, we just don't because we always have goody two-shoes Corches that can't recruit to save their lives & our Boosters aren't committed to winning AND OUR ADMIN WANTS NO ASSOCIATION WITH THAT STUFF.

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[theuksu]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

Keep sending in film and making recommendations...maybe one day these dumbasses will listen.

 

[apfenny3]

Keep sending in film and making recommendations...maybe one day these dumbasses will listen.

I'll keep doing my part, I only send guys that I think could ball here. Hopefully some of them wake up because there's a lot of talent in other parts of the country that would love to come to South Florida and be part of the brand

 

[kalinis]

How do the Florida schools compete for titles.
Traditional strongholds in Miami/SFL, Lakeland, Panhandle areas are now signing with these schools and Ohio state and now LSU.

I don’t see how the Florida schools ever be elite again without playing the same game.
The florida recruit seems more less willing to want to make their own programs great in-state or play at home like most recruits from GA, OH, LA, etc.

Sad to see it happen.

if u win u will keep top recruits. simple. yes Miami cant pay and others schools can. so what. the fact is if miami puts out a team scores alto of points wins a lot of games kids will stay home but u have to be able to score points and win games or kids have 0 reason to stay home

 

[CaliFLACane850]

Have to keep recruiting nationally. This doesn’t mean disregard Florida but also can’t waste our time playing games with some of the kids here when there’s just as good if not better players in other states that would come here.

My high school in Indianapolis has a 4* 6’3” 300lb DT that just signed with Penn State and had interest in Miami and our staff scoffed at. Same thing with Purdue freshman WR David Bell, 4* from Indy last year that I told D$ was the second best WR prospect nationally imo. Our staff had no interest and he went on to have 80+ catches, 1k+ yards and 7 TDs as a true freshman and would’ve been the best wr on our roster this year.

Also sent film on a sophomore LT prospect from Ohio last week that I’ve yet to hear a reply about. 6’6” 240 currently and the most athletic lineman I’ve ever seen. Brother is a WR at Kentucky and not a family that cares about bags. We have a chance to be the first offer but we’ll slow play or not be interested and he’ll end up a high 4 or a 5 star.

Overall I don’t expect our recruiting incompetencies to change anytime soon.

That's because the current staff are a bunch of Momos.

 

[cane14]

Bags exist. I get it. But let's not pretend that bags are the reason we miss out on big name recruits. Bags are not necessary when you're deciding between a UGA, Bama, OSU caliber program and between Miami who just lost to significantly inferior talented teams: two G5 schools, Duke and GA Tech. If a recruit needs a bag to make that decision, idk what to tell ya. We're not good enough to lose recruits to bags!