Wisconsin favored by 7

Why would I not get it? I watch football from every corner of the country and have done so for 30 years now. Speed can be a decisive advantage when there is a large talent discrepancy and one team just cant compete but in modern football every good team has speed. Wisconsin has NFL talent all over the field. You aren't going to overwhelm the Badgers with athletes. Your 25 4 stars are cute, OSU has 63. Yet it was a 6 point game and the Badgers had two chances to win it in the last 5 mins as OSUs speed was unable to do much of anything in the 2nd half. Maryland has more 4 stars than Wisconsin, stars don't mean squat once a kid is in the program for a couple months.

The point isn't to say that UW will win for sure over Miami, I expect a hard fought match-up between too really good and motivated teams. I could definitely see the Canes winning this one. If they do it will be because they won the LOS and limited UW's run game while fending off our aggressive front 7. The speed factor, or rather UW's lack of it, is just lazy, stereotypical drivel. I could go pull up the threads from the last time we played and it would be nearly identical. "Wisconsin has never seen speed like 'insert your Southern/Western team here' possesses and we will blow them out. Badgers = slow, fat and boring."

Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

In 09, UW took it to your very own Canes, who we were told nonstop would run circles around our slow, simple Midwesterners. The U pt 2 had just come out and you guys were feeling yourselves, your team was woofing it up before the game and after every play. Then you got punched in the mouth and told 'be humble' by these same slow, simple Midwesterners. I don't think Harris ever recovered from the epic beating we laid on him that night.

Every game that UW has lost during that time was due to the other team winning the LOS. Speed obviously helps, every team needs guys that can make something out of nothing. The mistake is to think that Miami is the only team in the Orange Bowl that has those guys. The U may very well have the edge in certain match-ups, and speed may be one of the reasons but it isn't the only reason. This will come down to the battle in the trenches. UW is going to try to lean on your Dline so that the cracks become holes in the 4th qtr. OSU was able to prevent this because they have a 12 person rotation on their Dline (nearly all of whom are 4 or 5 star guys) and were able to stay fresh and aggressive all game. From what I have seen Miami doesn't have that kind of depth, though the starters are every bit as good, and that could be the key to the game right there. UW's pass game doesn't look like much but it is incredibly efficient and if Hornibrook is given time he can carve up a D with the PA. Obviously turnovers will be key and that could be a big edge for the U as the UW O is much more prone to them, though the Badgers also force a ton on D. It should be a fun, hard hitting game, good luck Canes.
 
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Why would I not get it? I watch football from every corner of the country and have done so for 30 years now. Speed can be a decisive advantage when there is a large talent discrepancy and one team just cant compete but in modern football every good team has speed. Wisconsin has NFL talent all over the field. You aren't going to overwhelm the Badgers with athletes. Your 25 4 stars are cute, OSU has 63. Yet it was a 6 point game and the Badgers had two chances to win it in the last 5 mins as OSUs speed was unable to do much of anything in the 2nd half. Maryland has more 4 stars than Wisconsin, stars don't mean squat once a kid is in the program for a couple months.

The point isn't to say that UW will win for sure over Miami, I expect a hard fought match-up between too really good and motivated teams. I could definitely see the Canes winning this one. If they do it will be because they won the LOS and limited UW's run game while fending off our aggressive front 7. The speed factor, or rather UW's lack of it, is just lazy, stereotypical drivel. I could go pull up the threads from the last time we played and it would be nearly identical. "Wisconsin has never seen speed like 'insert your Southern/Western team here' possesses and we will blow them out. Badgers = slow, fat and boring."

Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

In 09, UW took it to your very own Canes, who we were told nonstop would run circles around our slow, simple Midwesterners. The U pt 2 had just come out and you guys were feeling yourselves, your team was woofing it up before the game and after every play. Then you got punched in the mouth and told 'be humble' by these same slow, simple Midwesterners. I don't think Harris ever recovered from the epic beating we laid on him that night.

Every game that UW has lost during that time was due to the other team winning the LOS. Speed obviously helps, every team needs guys that can make something out of nothing. The mistake is to think that Miami is the only team in the Orange Bowl that has those guys. The U may very well have the edge in certain match-ups, and speed may be one of the reasons but it isn't the only reason. This will come down to the battle in the trenches. UW is going to try to lean on your Dline so that the cracks become holes in the 4th qtr. OSU was able to prevent this because they have a 12 person rotation on their Dline (nearly all of whom are 4 or 5 star guys) and were able to stay fresh and aggressive all game. From what I have seen Miami doesn't have that kind of depth, though the starters are every bit as good, and that could be the key to the game right there. UW's pass game doesn't look like much but it is incredibly efficient and if Hornibrook is given time he can carve up a D with the PA. Obviously turnovers will be key and that could be a big edge for the U as the UW O is much more prone to them, though the Badgers also force a ton on D. It should be a fun, hard hitting game, good luck Canes.

What's your take on CHEESE
 
Why would I not get it? I watch football from every corner of the country and have done so for 30 years now. Speed can be a decisive advantage when there is a large talent discrepancy and one team just cant compete but in modern football every good team has speed. Wisconsin has NFL talent all over the field. You aren't going to overwhelm the Badgers with athletes. Your 25 4 stars are cute, OSU has 63. Yet it was a 6 point game and the Badgers had two chances to win it in the last 5 mins as OSUs speed was unable to do much of anything in the 2nd half. Maryland has more 4 stars than Wisconsin, stars don't mean squat once a kid is in the program for a couple months.

The point isn't to say that UW will win for sure over Miami, I expect a hard fought match-up between too really good and motivated teams. I could definitely see the Canes winning this one. If they do it will be because they won the LOS and limited UW's run game while fending off our aggressive front 7. The speed factor, or rather UW's lack of it, is just lazy, stereotypical drivel. I could go pull up the threads from the last time we played and it would be nearly identical. "Wisconsin has never seen speed like 'insert your Southern/Western team here' possesses and we will blow them out. Badgers = slow, fat and boring."

Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

In 09, UW took it to your very own Canes, who we were told nonstop would run circles around our slow, simple Midwesterners. The U pt 2 had just come out and you guys were feeling yourselves, your team was woofing it up before the game and after every play. Then you got punched in the mouth and told 'be humble' by these same slow, simple Midwesterners. I don't think Harris ever recovered from the epic beating we laid on him that night.

Every game that UW has lost during that time was due to the other team winning the LOS. Speed obviously helps, every team needs guys that can make something out of nothing. The mistake is to think that Miami is the only team in the Orange Bowl that has those guys. The U may very well have the edge in certain match-ups, and speed may be one of the reasons but it isn't the only reason. This will come down to the battle in the trenches. UW is going to try to lean on your Dline so that the cracks become holes in the 4th qtr. OSU was able to prevent this because they have a 12 person rotation on their Dline (nearly all of whom are 4 or 5 star guys) and were able to stay fresh and aggressive all game. From what I have seen Miami doesn't have that kind of depth, though the starters are every bit as good, and that could be the key to the game right there. UW's pass game doesn't look like much but it is incredibly efficient and if Hornibrook is given time he can carve up a D with the PA. Obviously turnovers will be key and that could be a big edge for the U as the UW O is much more prone to them, though the Badgers also force a ton on D. It should be a fun, hard hitting game, good luck Canes.

Lmao nobody is reading that
 
Why would I not get it? I watch football from every corner of the country and have done so for 30 years now. Speed can be a decisive advantage when there is a large talent discrepancy and one team just cant compete but in modern football every good team has speed. Wisconsin has NFL talent all over the field. You aren't going to overwhelm the Badgers with athletes. Your 25 4 stars are cute, OSU has 63. Yet it was a 6 point game and the Badgers had two chances to win it in the last 5 mins as OSUs speed was unable to do much of anything in the 2nd half. Maryland has more 4 stars than Wisconsin, stars don't mean squat once a kid is in the program for a couple months.

The point isn't to say that UW will win for sure over Miami, I expect a hard fought match-up between too really good and motivated teams. I could definitely see the Canes winning this one. If they do it will be because they won the LOS and limited UW's run game while fending off our aggressive front 7. The speed factor, or rather UW's lack of it, is just lazy, stereotypical drivel. I could go pull up the threads from the last time we played and it would be nearly identical. "Wisconsin has never seen speed like 'insert your Southern/Western team here' possesses and we will blow them out. Badgers = slow, fat and boring."

Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

In 09, UW took it to your very own Canes, who we were told nonstop would run circles around our slow, simple Midwesterners. The U pt 2 had just come out and you guys were feeling yourselves, your team was woofing it up before the game and after every play. Then you got punched in the mouth and told 'be humble' by these same slow, simple Midwesterners. I don't think Harris ever recovered from the epic beating we laid on him that night.

Every game that UW has lost during that time was due to the other team winning the LOS. Speed obviously helps, every team needs guys that can make something out of nothing. The mistake is to think that Miami is the only team in the Orange Bowl that has those guys. The U may very well have the edge in certain match-ups, and speed may be one of the reasons but it isn't the only reason. This will come down to the battle in the trenches. UW is going to try to lean on your Dline so that the cracks become holes in the 4th qtr. OSU was able to prevent this because they have a 12 person rotation on their Dline (nearly all of whom are 4 or 5 star guys) and were able to stay fresh and aggressive all game. From what I have seen Miami doesn't have that kind of depth, though the starters are every bit as good, and that could be the key to the game right there. UW's pass game doesn't look like much but it is incredibly efficient and if Hornibrook is given time he can carve up a D with the PA. Obviously turnovers will be key and that could be a big edge for the U as the UW O is much more prone to them, though the Badgers also force a ton on D. It should be a fun, hard hitting game, good luck Canes.

Why are your women so fat?
 
Lol this will be ND pt. 2.

Exactly what I was thinking. And I'm pessimistic as ****. I normally don't think this way after a loss like last night.

Richt's record in bowl games is legit. We need some rest as well. We'll come out and dominate at home like ND. Maybe not THAT bad but I see a 10-14 point win.

What! U still believe Miami will defeat mighty Wisconsin? With that BELOW-AVERAGE offense and what not. SMH:sanford:

Nevertheless, I'm a firm believer Miami will win a NAIL BITER game and all that. I just hope South Florida DOESN'T ABANDON Miami and all that. Because Miami needs the fan base against mighty Wisconsin.

I think you're underestimating Wisconsin a little. Sure they're boring and all but that's a very solid team. The kind of teams Miami always seems to struggle with.. like Pitt, UVA, VT, etc

Give Richt time to prepare for a bowl and he'll have us ready. Can we complete a pass though?

Again, most UM fans overestimate speed versus trenches....as they did pre-Pitt game. Clempson has both.

Wisconsin does not have the skill athletes we do, even with our injuries...but they are going to focus on Malik the way Pitt and Clempson did and make him beat them...and sad to say, it has been a pretty effective gameplan recently.

Hopefully Mark can game plan for this one and getting a little healthier with home field helps.

UM
 
Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

Great trend regarding the sparsity of losses by more than 7 points, although I believe the bowl game against South Carolina qualifies also.

I'm a USC alum. Two years ago before the bowl game against Wisconsin there was the same theme on USC boards, that the Trojans would simply be too fast and talented for stodgy Wisconsin. Obviously it didn't work out that way. USC was pushed around in the trenches and Wisconsin won a tight game as underdog.
 
Meanwhile, in real life, UW has 30 players in the NFL including multiple All-Pros, has about 15 NFL guys getting PT on this team and has lost 2 games since 2010 by more than 7 points (both to National Champions, OSU in '14 Bama in '15) and has the 4th most wins of any program during that stretch. We have played teams renowned for their speed such as Oregon, USC, LSU, and Auburn yet none of them ran us off the field or even seemed to have much of an edge at all in raw athleticism.

Great trend regarding the sparsity of losses by more than 7 points, although I believe the bowl game against South Carolina qualifies also.

I'm a USC alum. Two years ago before the bowl game against Wisconsin there was the same theme on USC boards, that the Trojans would simply be too fast and talented for stodgy Wisconsin. Obviously it didn't work out that way. USC was pushed around in the trenches and Wisconsin won a tight game as underdog.

This game is going to come down to this game planning and what not. hUh. In other words, it's going to come down to Miami being able to stop Wisconsin's rushing attack- they have a great true freshmen RB, and Miami being able to run the ball. Because I guarantee, that Cryst's D-coordinator is going to put EIGHT in the box, and force Miami to complete a pass or two. OUCH.

The bottom line: I have an awful feeling that Miami won't be able to run very successfully against a STOUT, NASTY Wisconsin front seven. Yikes.
 
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Jesus man you actually edited that garbled mess above and it still came out like that?

How many fūcking drugs are you actually on at one time?
 
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Best Bet Wisconsin. Will route for Miami, but game won’t even be close. Miami was a mirage.
 
There has been some great line movement in our favor. The spread dropped from a true opening line of Wisky -6.5 to Wisky -4.5 with no zigzagging. Not surprisingly, the moneyline dropped as well, from Wisky -250 at Pinnacle to now just -190.

Usually there'd still be some cause for concern with the game not until tomorrow night, but bowl games are not typical insofar as the spread has been out since way back on December 4th so what you see is pretty much what you get by now when it comes to movement.

We will win this game.
 
There has been some great line movement in our favor. The spread dropped from a true opening line of Wisky -6.5 to Wisky -4.5 with no zigzagging. Not surprisingly, the moneyline dropped as well, from Wisky -250 at Pinnacle to now just -190.

Usually there'd still be some cause for concern with the game not until tomorrow night, but bowl games are not typical insofar as the spread has been out since way back on December 4th so what you see is pretty much what you get by now when it comes to movement.

We will win this game.

great to read. I saw this movement yesterday but was waiting for the experts on this to chime in on the implications
 
There has been some great line movement in our favor. The spread dropped from a true opening line of Wisky -6.5 to Wisky -4.5 with no zigzagging. Not surprisingly, the moneyline dropped as well, from Wisky -250 at Pinnacle to now just -190.

Usually there'd still be some cause for concern with the game not until tomorrow night, but bowl games are not typical insofar as the spread has been out since way back on December 4th so what you see is pretty much what you get by now when it comes to movement.

We will win this game.

Interesting. In my very high level point spread obervations, I think that while we were not a great spread covering team, our on field performance (and outocome) was very closely tied to line movement prior to games. I look at FSU, Duke, VT, ND, Clemson. The line moved in the direction of the team that eventually won the game. Takeaway from the shrinking line in this game - Miami wins.
 
Lines also moved in our favor for VT and ND in the few days before those games. Moved big in clemson’s favor too.

Late line movement has been a good indicator for us
 
Wisconsin is almost the same exact team as Notre Dame except Wisconsin has a worse QB and not as much talent at WR or TE. They want to run the ball and play the bully. We proved that that won't work at Joe Robbie Stadium.
 
Lines also moved in our favor for VT and ND in the few days before those games. Moved big in clemson’s favor too.

Late line movement has been a good indicator for us
A good indicator for us and every other team, too. Also, don't forget Pitt went from something like +14 to close at +12 against us IIRC and we all know what happened there. The sharps have been spot on when it comes to the Canes pretty much all year long. The one game I remember that they were off on was the FSU game when the late money was all over the Semenholes.
 
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Wisconsin is almost the same exact team as Notre Dame except Wisconsin has a worse QB and not as much talent at WR or TE. They want to run the ball and play the bully. We proved that that won't work at Joe Robbie Stadium.

Wisconsin has a way better TE, than pretty much anyone we have played this year. Fumagali or whatever it is very skilled and catches everything thrown his way. D will need to find him, especially on 3rd DOWN
 
Wisconsin is almost the same exact team as Notre Dame except Wisconsin has a worse QB and not as much talent at WR or TE. They want to run the ball and play the bully. We proved that that won't work at Joe Robbie Stadium.

Wisconsin has a way better TE, than pretty much anyone we have played this year. Fumagali or whatever it is very skilled and catches everything thrown his way. D will need to find him, especially on 3rd DOWN

This is the game for us to see Carter and Smith more on 3rd down instead of McCloud.
 
Our DTs need a huge game. Keep their line off our LBs and we roll. We will be able to jam the box from the start because of our speed on the outside.

If Malik can merely throw in the vicinity our guys should get separation. Special teams worries me. Feagles needs to respond.
 
Wisconsin is almost the same exact team as Notre Dame except Wisconsin has a worse QB and not as much talent at WR or TE. They want to run the ball and play the bully. We proved that that won't work at Joe Robbie Stadium.

This is almost completely wrong. ND has one of the worst passing offenses in the nation, (117th in Comp %, 104th in YPG, 103rd in pass eff, 50th in YPC), while UW isn't exactly explosive they are significantly better at throwing the ball than ND (31st, 95th, 29th, 31st). UW is down its top 2 WRs but as another poster pointed out our TE was a Mackey Award finalist and future NFL starter. UW also plays much, much better D than Notre Dame (UW is in the top 10 of basically every D category, while ND is around 50th).

Both teams do have the bully ball mentality though. UW just does it much, much better.

The offensive styles are also very different, as ND runs primarily a shotgun spread with the read option while UW is an I form, power run team that never runs the option.

Wimbush has fewer yards (1818-2386) fewer TDs (16-21) a worse completion % (49.8-61.6) fewer yards per attempt (6.81-8.4) and has taken more sacks (25-20) despite only throwing 17 fewer passes than Hornibrook (267-284).

You still have a day to go watch some film on UW, because it is clear you have no idea who we are and what we do if you think ND is walking into Hard Rock tomorrow night. UW is basically Pitt but with NFL talent instead of a bunch of try hards.
 
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