Win the coastal

[TreOFive]

The summer after Al was hired he came to Jacksonville to speak to the fan club. I was given one of the first opportunities at the microphone and this is what I said to him:

"Coach Golden, the Miami fan base is an unusual bunch. Most of us did not graduate from the school but somewhere along the line we adopted this program as our own. We judge success by winning national championships. Nothing else matters. We are not Florida. Our goal is not to win the east, or in our case, the coastal. We expect more. How do you expect to deal with that?"

He answered the question by saying he too has lofty goals and the Miami brand is a national brand,etc. my buddy pointed out later in the evening that when Golden realized what I was saying he looked like he was going to **** himself. Like he was just getting ready to say his goal was to win the coastal and then I pulled the rug out from under him. I didn't really pick up on it at the time.

Now here we sit. And as minor as that goal is, if we win the coastal this man will keep his job. He will have met the goal and probably won 9 games in the process.

I will never root against my team. Can't bring myself to do so. But there definitely is no joy in Mudville. The might canes have struck out with this AD and coach.

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[ball915]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

When Howard took over this team hadn't even won an arm wrestling match but he told everyone that he was going to win championship in five years. He set his goal and took the necessary steps to get there. Al is in over his head and his low bar is how he buys himself time, hoping to figure it out. Unfortunately for him he's not a leader.

No argument there whatsoever. The fact that he is talking the Coastal up so much shows what a loser mentality he brings to the table. It's a good building block for the program but he is making it the end all be all. Focus on the Coastal before looking at other goals is my point not we have accomplished our goals if we win the Coastal the way Al is

 

[Rellyrell]

I understand that has to be step one on the NC ladder.

But this guy is a pilgrim. It seems that he is settling when he says that. Which i think is what Fans are hung up on.

I'm in a weird place. I can't actively root against MIAMI. But I'm not joyous. I want success but I Dont want Al behind the wheel achieving it.

Here is my last hope. Al gone Al, baby! There will be a flop. Or hopefully a boing as we bring a new staff and spring back to greatness

You perfectly described my feelings, as well. Even if this team has success, I don't want Al behind the wheel. I still watch the games, but not as involved emotionally. I hate who these Canes have become, but I know that when Golden is gone, even possibly Blake, these Canes will return to form. So while I don't openly root against them, I'm certainly not rooting for them either.

 

[Sebastianspipe]

I wonder if Urb or Mark Dantonio are all in on winning the Leaders? Gotta be the goal no?

 

[Brandinho]

If I hear/read the statement "our goal is to win the coastal," I am going to have to resort to physical violence

 

[INCaneFan]

If I hear/read the statement "our goal is to win the coastal," I am going to have to resort to physical violence

Video it.

 

[AUcane]

Of course the kids are going to repeat it / they don't know any different and it's been drilled into their heads by the coaches every day.

 

[sniffin94]

Shouldn't the goal be to win every ******* game

 

[AUcane]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Weak. Really weak.

The Coastal should NEVER be the goal at UM. EVER. You can set the ACC Championship as a goal because that could lead to a NC. Setting the Coastal as a goal is a pathetic cop out.

As a Canes fan I couldn't agree with you more. However, I am taking my fan glasses off here and putting myself in the AD's shoes. I didn't express in previous post well enough that the winning the Coastal outright is the minimum goal. With that being said, losses to Cincy, losing a 5th consecutive game to FSU and looking sloppy at times is not acceptable by any means. The reality of the situation is that we just aren't in a place realistically to compete for National Championships and as any good manager have to be aware of what you are working with to set obtainable goals. The fact is we haven't won the division in 11 years so frankly have put ourselves in a position where winning the Coastal is actually viewed as success but should not be satisfied with it.

Golden has made the Coastal the end goal which is weak, really weak as you put it best. Being in year 5 with all of his guys the goal of Coastal is too low. My point was solely from a management perspective I see the value in stressing the Coastal as it is an obtainable goal. However, would make it crystal clear to the coach that it is the minimum standard in year 5 and moving forward.

You've fallen into the trap of allowing Folden to lower the bar. You state that we're not in position to set the ACC title as a goal, and I just don't buy that. If you're not in a position to win the ACC in year 5, then you shouldn't be the HC. We've got a team full of NFL players and a program that has proven it can win and compete for NCs regularly with even competent coaching. So just because Folden hasn't been able to win the ****** Coastal doesn't mean that winning the Coastal is an acceptable goal.

If you set the ACC title as your goal, you automatically have the goal of winning the Coastal because you can't win the ACC without winning the Coastal. If you set the Coastal as your goal, you're pretty much telling the world you can't beat the Atlantic champion, and that's pathetic.

Classic trap.

Let this sink in - Alf coached a team laden with 30-40 future pros to a 6 win season last year.

 

[NJshoreCane]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

 

[canesrdynamite]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

I see what you're going for, but all this coastal talk needs to just stop.

1) Win ACC
2) Win major bowl
3) Win NC

Put NC as goal #1 when you have the team in place.

 

[ball915]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

I'm not opposed to talking up the Coastal the way we are externally as it is the first step in your diagram which I agree with. However, winning the Coastal isn't enough in Year 5 with this talent. Blake needs to remind Al freqently behind the scenes that the Coastal is the minimum goal and that making it to Charlotte is is an accomplishment but is also expected. Al will want a raise for winning the Coastal where Blake needs to make it clear that his job is to be in that game every year and the goals are higher.

 

[Consigliere]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

I think you're missing the point. Items 1-3 are steps to reach your goal. Hitting JUST item 1 means you failed to reach the goal.

 

[dudenate]

The summer after Al was hired he came to Jacksonville to speak to the fan club. I was given one of the first opportunities at the microphone and this is what I said to him:

"Coach Golden, the Miami fan base is an unusual bunch. Most of us did not graduate from the school but somewhere along the line we adopted this program as our own. We judge success by winning national championships. Nothing else matters. We are not Florida. Our goal is not to win the east, or in our case, the coastal. We expect more. How do you expect to deal with that?"

He answered the question by saying he too has lofty goals and the Miami brand is a national brand,etc. my buddy pointed out later in the evening that when Golden realized what I was saying he looked like he was going to **** himself. Like he was just getting ready to say his goal was to win the coastal and then I pulled the rug out from under him. I didn't really pick up on it at the time.

Now here we sit. And as minor as that goal is, if we win the coastal this man will keep his job. He will have met the goal and probably won 9 games in the process.

I will never root against my team. Can't bring myself to do so. But there definitely is no joy in Mudville. The might canes have struck out with this AD and coach.

Good post. I used to always give uf fans a hard time because of their 'win the east' mantra while we were NC or bust. I'm sooo apathetic about the state of UM football now.

 

[dudenate]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

This is also a good post. We never hear about the eventual ultimate goal of NC's! Yes, we need to win the Coastal...on our way to NC's. But it sounds like the 'be all / end all goal' for this regime. Ugh.

 

[NJshoreCane]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

I see what you're going for, but all this coastal talk needs to just stop.

1) Win ACC
2) Win major bowl
3) Win NC

Put NC as goal #1 when you have the team in place.

I agree.
To me, the Coastal is nothing. If that is the so-called "goal" of the team, don't end it there.

 

[NJshoreCane]

How can we expect a national championship when we've never even won the division of the ACC yet alone the conference?

Might be in the minority here but actually have no issue with the Coastal goal. It is something that is obtainable and sadly would be considered an accomplishment in our 11 year tenure in ACC. However, it is realistic and you want your team buying into something that is realistic. Should it be the standard? No, as we aren't Wake Forest of UVA but let's not take the boom or bust approach when the boom is uncharted territory for this program. Build off of the Coastal into winning the ACC then competing for National Titles. All of this is on the macro level and sadly in year 5 should not be focusing on the Coastal. However, based on where we are with the roster we have, the goal is reasonable.

Nothing wrong with a list of goals entering a season...for next year:
1) Win Coastal
2) Win ACC 'ship.
3) Make CFB playoff.
4) Win NC

I think you're missing the point. Items 1-3 are steps to reach your goal. Hitting JUST item 1 means you failed to reach the goal.

The Natty is always the goal. My point was if the Coastal goal HAS to be in there (the Coastal means nothing to me btw), then make it part of an ascending list of goals.