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For 2007, here are the Division I football coach hirings. Obviously, this does not include anyone we "could have hired" but who did not, in fact, change jobs:

2007 COACHING CHANGES

TEAM2006 COACH2007 COACH
TEAM2006 COACH2007 COACH
Air ForceFisher DeBerryTroy Calhoun
AlabamaMike ShulaNick Saban
Arizona StateDirk KoetterDennis Erickson
ArmyBobby RossStan Brock
Boston CollegeTom O'BrienJeff Jagodzinkski
Central MichiganBrian KellyButch Jones
CincinnatiMark DantonioBrian Kelly
FIUDon StrockMario Cristobal
IdahoDennis EricksonRobb Akey
IndianaTerry HoeppnerBill Lynch
Iowa StateDan McCarneyGene Chizik
Louisiana TechJack BicknellDerek Dooley
LouisvilleBobby PetrinoSteve Kragthorpe
Miami (Fla.)Larry CokerRandy Shannon
Michigan StateJohn L. SmithMark Dantonio
MinnesotaGlen MasonTim Brewster
North CarolinaJohn BuntingButch Davis
North Carolina St.Chuck AmatoTom O'Brien
North TexasDarrell ****eyTodd Dodge
RiceTodd GrahamDavid Bailiff
StanfordWalt HarrisJim Harbaugh
TulaneChris ScelfoBob Toledo
TulsaSteve KragthorpeTodd Graham
UABWatson BrownNeil Callaway
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Some interesting names. We weren't going to hire Saban away from the Dolphins. We clearly were not interested in bringing back Butch or Drunken Dennis. We could argue that Mario was unproven, but we DID hire Randy. Dantonio and Harbaugh succeeded. Who else should we have pursued?





Here are the 2011 coaching changes. By the way, this was a ranking of who was a good hire (circa 2011), and Fat Al was at #2. Franklin (obviously about to take the F$U job) is #12:

1. Jerry Kill, Minnesota
Previous Job: Head coach, Northern Illinois

2. Al Golden, Miami (Fla.)
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Previous Job: Head coach, Temple

3. Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette
Previous Job: Wide receivers coach, Mississippi State

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4. Will Muschamp, Florida
Previous Job: Defensive coordinator, head coach-in-waiting, Texas

5. Pete Lembo, Ball State
Previous Job: Head coach, Elon

6. Hugh Freeze, Arkansas State
Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, Arkansas State

7. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
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Previous Job: Offensive Coordinator, Oklahoma State

8. Brady Hoke, Michigan
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Previous Job: Head coach, San Diego State

9. Todd Graham, Pittsburgh
Previous Job: Head coach, Tulsa

10. Dan McCarney, North Texas
Previous Job: Defensive line coach, Florida

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11. Kevin Wilson, Indiana
Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, Oklahoma

12. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, head coach-in-waiting, Maryland

13. Don Treadwell, Miami (Ohio)
Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, Michigan State

14. David Shaw, Stanford
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Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, Stanford

15. Dave Doeren, Northern Illinois
Previous Job: Defensive coordinator, Wisconsin

16. Randy Edsall, Maryland
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Previous Job: Head coach, UConn

17. Darrell Hazell, Kent State
Previous Job: Assistant head coach, wide receivers coach, Ohio State

18. Luke Fickell, Ohio State
Previous Job: Linebackers coach and co-defensive coordinator, Ohio State

19. Steve Addazio, Temple
Previous Job: Offensive coordinator, Florida

20. Rocky Long, San Diego State
Previous Job: Defensive coordinator, San Diego State

21. Paul Pasqualoni, Connecticut
Previous Job: Defensive Coordinator, Dallas Cowboys

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22. Jon Embree, Colorado
Previous Job: Tight Ends coach, Washington Redskins

23. Bill Blankenship, Tulsa
Previous Job: Running backs coach, Tulsa




Here's another "early ranking" of the 2016 hires. Gotta love "Willie Fritz" over a bunch of other names. Fuente, Campbell, Norvell may all get better jobs, Frost already did, and Smart is killing it in Georgia:

1. Virginia Tech, Justin Fuente
Previous Job: Memphis Head Coach

2. Willie Fritz, Tulane
Previous Job: Georgia Southern Head Coach

3. Mark Richt, Miami
Previous Job: Georgia Head Coach

4. Matt Campbell, Iowa State
Previous Job: Toledo Head Coach

5. Dino Babers, Syracuse
Previous Job: Bowling Green Head Coach

6. Mike Norvell, Memphis
Previous Job: Arizona State Offensive Coordinator

7. D.J. Durkin, Maryland
Previous Job: Michigan Defensive Coordinator

8. Barry Odom, Missouri
Previous Job: Missouri Defensive Coordinator

9. Bronco Mendenhall, Virginia
Previous Job: BYU Head Coach

10. Kirby Smart, Georgia
Previous Job: Alabama Defensive Coordinator

11. Lovie Smith, Illinois
Previous Job: Tampa Bay Buccaneers Head Coach

12. Scott Frost, UCF
Previous Job: Oregon Offensive Coordinator

13. Jason Candle, Toledo
Previous Job: Toledo Offensive Coordinator

14. Seth Littrell, North Texas
Previous Job: North Texas Offensive Coordinator

15. Matt Viator, ULM
Previous Job: McNeese State Head Coach

16. Kalani Sitake, BYU
Previous Job: Oregon State Defensive Coordinator

17. Jay Hopson, Southern Miss
Previous Job: Alcorn State Head Coach

18. Nick Rolovich, Hawaii
Previous Job: Nevada Offensive Coordinator

19. Chris Ash, Rutgers
Previous Job: Ohio State Co-Defensive Coordinator

20. Everett Withers, Texas State
Previous Job: James Madison Head Coach

21. Scottie Montgomery, East Carolina
Previous Job: Duke Offensive Coordinator

22. Tyson Summers, Georgia Southern
Previous Job: Colorado State Defensive Coordinator

23. Clay Helton, USC
Previous Job: USC Interim Head Coach

24. Will Muschamp, South Carolina
Previous Job: Auburn Defensive Coordinator

25. Tracy Claeys, Minnesota
Previous Job: Minnesota Interim Head Coach

26. Frank Wilson, UTSA
Previous Job: LSU Running Backs Coach

27. Mike Neu, Ball State
Previous Job: New Orleans Saints Quarterback Coach

28. Mike Jinks, Bowling Green
Previous Job: Texas Tech Running Backs Coach




So, outside of a bumper crop of successful coaches in 2016, I would like to know who we should have hired in 2007 and 2011 (besides Butch, obviously, and that's no sarcasm, I love Butch).

Keep in mind, I am still angry at the lack of effort by our various ADs and BoTs, I'm just pointing out that we didn't "miss out" on as many coaches as some may think.
 
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I'm not sure you could make an argument that we could've done a lot worse except maybe 2016.
 
Not in 2016 but in 2017 Minnesota hires a good one. In 2013, he was 1-11 in his first year at Western Michigan. In 2016, he went 12-0 at Western Michigan. In 2017, he went 5-7 in his first year at Minnesota. This year he’s 10-1. We missed **** out of that guy but I agree on your 2007 and 2011 though.
 
In 2011, I'd have been a fan of hiring Dana Holgerson. Another dude off the Mike Leach tree. I've wanted to see Miami with a spread offense for awhile.

In terms of a candidate who would be the Miami AD's wet dream, David Shaw. Obviously not having a great year but he's had five 10 win seasons in 9 years. Does a lot with some very tough recruiting standards.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
In 2011, I'd have been a fan of hiring Dana Holgerson. Another dude off the Mike Leach tree. I've wanted to see Miami with a spread offense for awhile.

In terms of a candidate who would be the Miami AD's wet dream, David Shaw. Obviously not having a great year but he's had five 10 win seasons in 9 years. Does a lot with some very tough recruiting standards.
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I agree with you on Shaw.

I'm just pointing out that there are not a ton of "oh, we should have hired THAT guy" types out there in those particular years, except for 2016.
 
Patterson over Coker or Butch in '07 and we'd be coasting right now.

I wouldn't take '19 Butch but he clearly showed his abilities still at UNC. Monster evaluator and recruiter there. Would've done very well back at UM then.
 
mirvin88 said:
Patterson over Coker or Butch in '07 and we'd be coasting right now.

I wouldn't take '19 Butch but he clearly showed his abilities still at UNC. Monster evaluator and recruiter there. Would've done very well back at UM then.
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I don't think it make sense to look at Bootch as a potential Miami hire back when he was at UNC. I think the list is all coaches who Miami MIGHT have hired. They at least interviewed some unusual candidates like Leach but I don't think the school would even answer the phone if Davis was on the line. If there was one dude who was absolutely blacklisted by Miami and there was a 0.00% chance of even getting a look, it was Bootch Davis around that timeframe.
 
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mirvin88 said:
Patterson over Coker or Butch in '07 and we'd be coasting right now.

I wouldn't take '19 Butch but he clearly showed his abilities still at UNC. Monster evaluator and recruiter there. Would've done very well back at UM then.
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He went 15-17 in the ACC with those monster recruits though.
 
You're not exactly looking at this the right way. That isn't the list of coaches that we had to pick from. We could have very well gone out and hired away a guy like Leach. We missed out on not even pursuing better coaches or even giving guys that wanted the job a chance like Leach and Mullen.
 
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Firstdude said:
He went 15-17 in the ACC with those monster recruits though.
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Suspensions. Coming into a garbage program. There's more context here.

Excluding the vacated wins his win percentage was up there with Mack Brown back in the day...right back into the NCAA not skipping a beat.

We would've been one year removed from back to back 9 win seasons. Just a few from Peach Bowl, Orange Bowl, NCs.

He would've come in and killed it then IMO.
 
TheProf said:
You're not exactly looking at this the right way. That isn't the list of coaches that we had to pick from. We could have very well gone out and hired away a guy like Leach. We missed out on not even pursuing better coaches or even giving guys that wanted the job a chance like Leach and Mullen.
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No, I explicitly mentioned that from the beginning. I just posted the list of guys who DID change jobs as a starting point. I clearly said that I was not including guys that would have had to have been recruited away from other jobs.

And, has been stated, guys like Leach and Sumlin and Mullen WERE interviewed, even if they did not change employers during the year mentioned.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
No, I explicitly mentioned that from the beginning. I just posted the list of guys who DID change jobs as a starting point. I clearly said that I was not including guys that would have had to have been recruited away from other jobs.

And, has been stated, guys like Leach and Sumlin and Mullen WERE interviewed, even if they did not change employers during the year mentioned.
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And we didn't hire Leach or Mullen so we definitely did miss out on some good hires which goes against what you were saying in the first place. Even Patterson from TCU was interested and we shut the door on that. We were never going to hire a Saban like you said, but there were numerous good and proven coaches that we just straight rejected for silly reasons.
 
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canesrdynamite said:
Those suspensions would’ve been at UM right along with him.
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That's a load of bullcrap. Butch built the best team in college football history at UM and the guys didn't go off on paid weekends with agents. There was a sense of entitlement at North Carolina that the football players learned from the basketball players.
 
TheProf said:
And we didn't hire Leach or Mullen so we definitely did miss out on some good hires which goes against what you were saying in the first place. Even Patterson from TCU was interested and we shut the door on that. We were never going to hire a Saban like you said, but there were numerous good and proven coaches that we just straight rejected for silly reasons.
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That’s been the case every time we’ve hired a coach since Butch left. Bunch of lousy coordinators and Golden, all of which were terrible. Richt was the exception and he was totally burnt out. This bunch of morons are not capable of making an even marginally good coaching hire.
 
TimeB0mb said:
In terms of a candidate who would be the Miami AD's wet dream, David Shaw. Obviously not having a great year but he's had five 10 win seasons in 9 years. Does a lot with some very tough recruiting standards.
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Shaw?...LOL.

He's good for Stanford, but He'd be the Black Al Golden at Miami.

And He's totally against players gettin' paid.
 
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