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Who on the Offensive Staff Should be Fired?

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252cane said:
What you think about wright from toledo as oc? Hasnt had a offense rank less than 32nd in 4 years.
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I remember him from his days at FAU under Pelini & Charlie Partridge, his offenses are pretty good but I'd prefer someone like Kevin Johns or Jeff Lebby or Keith Heckendorf as OC, those are the kind of high octane offenses we should be running that focuses on having a lethal passing attack with a quick hitting inside zone run scheme that doesn't require a lot of guard pulling & shifting.
 
Liberty City El said:
I remember him from his days at FAU under Pelini & Charlie Partridge, his offenses are pretty good but I'd prefer someone like Kevin Johns or Jeff Lebby or Keith Heckendorf as OC, those are the kind of high octane offenses we should be running that focuses on having a lethal passing attack with a quick hitting inside zone run scheme that doesn't require a lot of guard pulling & shifting.
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I didnt know who heckendorf was but looked him up and he is from the fedora tree. He at arkansas st with blake anderson who was a fedora guy too. I said when the rumor was out there that fedora offense would be perfect here. I think he is a analyst at texas.
 
252cane said:
He never said multiple either. He said a innovative and cutting edge offense and then hired enos. It was enos talking about a bs spread coast.
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“We have to take all the advantages that the offensive side of the ball has in today’s game, whether that is pushing the tempo, the RPO game, different formations and motions, or whatever it is,” Diaz said. “Our players will be well coached and execute, but also can we give the other side of the ball problems to where the other team makes mistakes.”-Diaz

Too me the Bolded sounds multiple. that’s what I took from the comments when made at the time and that what thought when Enos was hired.

“We’re going to have to start to install our system and the system’s going to have a foundation, but the system is going to go in different directions based on the personnel we have here,” Enos said. “I think that good coaches can do things that best fit the personnel they have. And that’s the No. 1 thing. Obviously, there are going to be core things that we do, fundamentally, within the system that we’re going to install and get up and run. We’re going to look at a lot of different things and a lot of different ways”.- Enos

“There’s certain things we can control as an offense. We can control who goes in the game. … We can control what formations we line up [in] and how we get to them, whether we shift in motion or get unbalanced, or whatever. And we control when the ball is snapped. The defense doesn’t dictate any of those things, so, I want to be multiple in all of those areas,” Enos said. “Let’s be different. Let’s shift, let’s motion, let’s use our groupings, let’s go fast, let’s go slow and do those things. I’ve been a guy that’s always wanted to do that, be multiple and give defenses things they have to practice against from week to week and get ready to get prepared for and spend time on.
“My background is really with the West Coast [offense], which a lot of guys are. I think there’s a West Coast element in a lot of offenses. But certainly with today’s day and age and the experiences I have, the spread offense is certainly mixed in there big. At Alabama, we did just a tremendous job with our [run-pass option]. That was a whole new world for me, opening up that avenue and getting into some of the creative things we did with that. Certainly, we’d like to be very versatile. Call it the ‘spread coast,’ or whatever you want to call it, but hopefully we’ll get the personnel in here, figure out who we have and hopefully, we’ll get very creative in how we get them the ball. Certainly we have to be really, really good and fundamentally, technically first. We’re going to be an offense that plays with great effort, great toughness, but then, let’s try to use our tools and let’s try to put them in the best place we can. … and get the ball to our playmakers.”

seems to me the term “spread coast” was made tongue and cheek and message boards ran with it meaning spread. Point is at no point was this gonna be a spread offense. At no point was that stated. It was always gonna be and has been a passing concept that is heavily west coast/multiple. We’ve seen elements of the spread also. Truth is if we ran the wing T and put up 30 plus nobody would care that it wasmt “spread”.
 
305to954 said:
“We have to take all the advantages that the offensive side of the ball has in today’s game, whether that is pushing the tempo, the RPO game, different formations and motions, or whatever it is,” Diaz said. “Our players will be well coached and execute, but also can we give the other side of the ball problems to where the other team makes mistakes.”-Diaz

Too me the Bolded sounds multiple. that’s what I took from the comments when made at the time and that what thought when Enos was hired.

“We’re going to have to start to install our system and the system’s going to have a foundation, but the system is going to go in different directions based on the personnel we have here,” Enos said. “I think that good coaches can do things that best fit the personnel they have. And that’s the No. 1 thing. Obviously, there are going to be core things that we do, fundamentally, within the system that we’re going to install and get up and run. We’re going to look at a lot of different things and a lot of different ways”.- Enos

“There’s certain things we can control as an offense. We can control who goes in the game. … We can control what formations we line up [in] and how we get to them, whether we shift in motion or get unbalanced, or whatever. And we control when the ball is snapped. The defense doesn’t dictate any of those things, so, I want to be multiple in all of those areas,” Enos said. “Let’s be different. Let’s shift, let’s motion, let’s use our groupings, let’s go fast, let’s go slow and do those things. I’ve been a guy that’s always wanted to do that, be multiple and give defenses things they have to practice against from week to week and get ready to get prepared for and spend time on.
“My background is really with the West Coast [offense], which a lot of guys are. I think there’s a West Coast element in a lot of offenses. But certainly with today’s day and age and the experiences I have, the spread offense is certainly mixed in there big. At Alabama, we did just a tremendous job with our [run-pass option]. That was a whole new world for me, opening up that avenue and getting into some of the creative things we did with that. Certainly, we’d like to be very versatile. Call it the ‘spread coast,’ or whatever you want to call it, but hopefully we’ll get the personnel in here, figure out who we have and hopefully, we’ll get very creative in how we get them the ball. Certainly we have to be really, really good and fundamentally, technically first. We’re going to be an offense that plays with great effort, great toughness, but then, let’s try to use our tools and let’s try to put them in the best place we can. … and get the ball to our playmakers.”

seems to me the term “spread coast” was made tongue and cheek and message boards ran with it meaning spread. Point is at no point was this gonna be a spread offense. At no point was that stated. It was always gonna be and has been a passing concept that is heavily west coast/multiple. We’ve seen elements of the spread also. Truth is if we ran the wing T and put up 30 plus nobody would care that it wasmt “spread”.
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I knew it was never going to be a spread. Enos has never ran that. We need a true spread offense. None of the top teams in cfb are running a pro style. That shìt dead in cfb
 
Chewburka said:
Yeah let's give up on a system less than a year into it. And let's give our guys an entire new system to learn. It works out so well to keep changing coordinators.
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You, my friend, are what we call stupid ‘round here.
 
252cane said:
I knew it was never going to be a spread. Enos has never ran that. We need a true spread offense. None of the top teams in cfb are running a pro style. That shìt dead in cfb
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Bama, LSU, Ohio state all run multiple offenses. They are not true spread attacks. But they ofc use spread concepts. Now for every “spread” high powered offense in the power 5 you also have the UCLA spread attacks of the world who struggle at the POA..We use spread concepts. We struggle with situational ball. 3rd downs and red zone. Those top offenses don’t. They also have much better play up front. Now if u believe we are a scheme change away from scoring 30 plus a game..then we just agree to disagree with
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
he said innovative and cutting edge. We are neither.
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We try to. CIS can’t decide. One game Either it’s Enos is too complex and we need to simplify to a simple spread scheme. Or he’s not complex enough because The oline makes it look that way..the complexity of the system lies within the position groupings and multiple formations/ shifts and sight adjustments. It’ can’t be defined as cutting edge tho because it has produced at a high level. I agree. Our situational football needs a to get better. That should improve as the oline improves. Our QBs consistency has to improve Overall tho. **** im starting to wish manny would just say **** it and bring a spread OC in behind this oline so this debate could die. It’s the old what came first the chicken or the egg argument...cutting edge=35 plus PPG.
 
JTKoval said:
Our you tell Enos you love him dearly but think it is best to bring in a co OC to install the spread. Tell him it will be great. Enos leaves. Old corporate tactic. 🙂
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I think the dream scenario is some G5 school offers Enos another HC job. Diaz doesn't have the cojones to fire him, so him leaving for a HC job is a win win.
 
305to954 said:
Bama, LSU, Ohio state all run multiple offenses. They are not true spread attacks. But they ofc use spread concepts. Now for every “spread” high powered offense in the power 5 you also have the UCLA spread attacks of the world who struggle at the POA..We use spread concepts. We struggle with situational ball. 3rd downs and red zone. Those top offenses don’t. They also have much better play up front. Now if u believe we are a scheme change away from scoring 30 plus a game..then we just agree to disagree with
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Lsu is a spread offense. Orgeron said out his own mouth that it's the first time lsu has ever ran the spread. Osu is a spread offense that mix in some pro style stuff. Ryan day got his start as a GA under urban at uf. Bama isn't a full blown spread but are heading that way. Saban said they have been moving more towards the spread because its the way the game is going and its easier on the qbs to learn.

And this is burrow numbers from last year in a stale *** pro style offense vs this year in a spread. Aint nothing you can disagree about.

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305to954 said:
We try to. CIS can’t decide. One game Either it’s Enos is too complex and we need to simplify to a simple spread scheme. Or he’s not complex enough because The oline makes it look that way..the complexity of the system lies within the position groupings and multiple formations/ shifts and sight adjustments. It’ can’t be defined as cutting edge tho because it has produced at a high level. I agree. Our situational football needs a to get better. That should improve as the oline improves. Our QBs consistency has to improve Overall tho. **** im starting to wish manny would just say **** it and bring a spread OC in behind this oline so this debate could die. It’s the old what came first the chicken or the egg argument...cutting edge=35 plus PPG.
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You dont know what u talking about
 
252cane said:
I didnt know who heckendorf was but looked him up and he is from the fedora tree. He at arkansas st with blake anderson who was a fedora guy too. I said when the rumor was out there that fedora offense would be perfect here. I think he is a analyst at texas.
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Yup he's a young Fedora disciple from back during the UNC days when they smoked us & dropped 59 on us at Chapel Hill, he was the QB's coach & one of the developers of Marquise Williams & Trubisky.

Ark St currently has the 15th ranked passing offense & has the #1 WR leading the nation in TD's, yards & 5th in receptions.

Getting Heckendorf would be very similar to what Gundy did at Ok St in hiring Sean Gleeson from Princeton.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Get Enos, Stubbsy & Barry the foh.

Keep Hickson & Coach Field.

Bring in Kevin Johns & Ryan Silverfield as OC & OL coach, or bring in Keith Heckendorf to be OC.

Also would like to see a guy like DJ McCarthy or Darrell Wyatt (who was at Texas same time as Diaz) as the WR coach.
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So, the Memphis staff? I knew you really liked Norvell, but ****. Johns last 3 offenses(WMU, TTU and Memphis) were good and balanced, but did he called the plays? After seeing Enos playcalling abilities I'm scared to hire somebody that we can't look at his present playcalling.
I would still make the call to Sean Gleeson and pair him with somebody as Co-OC if possible. Mike Yurcich could be an option too, although I doubt he would leave OSU right now,
There are so many good options to make the move we want, can't wait to Diaz to give Enos the vote of confidence for year 2
 
305to954 said:
Bottom line is get the oline playing at a ACC championship level. Until then the O will be sporadic. No system works without good oline play.
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Dude we have had solid o-line play in the past and the offense was still mediocre. Uga has one of the best o-lines in cfb and their LT will be a top 5 pick and their offense hasn't been that good. And you know what kind of offense uga runs? Pro style. Bottom line is until miami adjust with the times the offense will continue to struggle.
 
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Some lower level coaches and assistanceships might go but I don't see Manny cleaning house on offense. The way he talks about the offense improving in his Wednesday Manny Show tells me Enos gets another year.

Blake Baker, however. That dude has got to be gone. If a manager had to come take over my job temporarily because I wasn't getting it done--talk about being laughed right out the door. Baker needs to go. He should go. Unlike Baker, Enos wasn't handed a mostly put together offense.
 
nystateofmind said:
Stubblefield just had three 4 stars decommit.

Two in one day.
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Because they don't want to play in this O. Who the **** would? It's not HIM that's the problem, but the OC and QB. If WRs see the O can't get them the ball, they don't want to be here. ****, Stubbs might want to leave himself.
 
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