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Brickell said:
I swear in the UF game and this game the defense was simulating the snap to try and draw a false start on us. They should have been called multiple times for a defensive delay of game penalty.
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Don't forget USF simulating snap call vs our offense as well.
The officials did call simulation in this game...against our defense!
 
hasena75 said:
Where the **** are the penalties against our opponents? We have the best D Line in America and you’re telling me they don’t hold our guys once during the game?

Oh wait I think I found a holding call, one that would have even gotten us a safety and ended it
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All night there was jawing back and forth. MULTIPLE times after the play you see FSU players smack our guys in the helmet and nothing is called (pretty sure this has happened in previous games too)

Still came out and kicked the **** out of the Noles….Two dubs last night. One vs the Noles and one vs the Refs

Oh and Go Canes
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That actually should have been a double holding penalty, bc both those Mfr’s were holding Bain.
 
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Some facts to think about:

Rueben Bain has the highest graded PFF score in the entire nation.

Malachi Toney is the highest graded WR in the ACC.

Francis Mauigoa is the 6th-highest graded OT in the country.

But also…

Miami has had more penalties called than their opponents have in every game.

Miami’s opponents cumulatively average 6.02 penalties per game, but against Miami average 3.4.

Bethune Cookman had 2 penalties against us, but averages 7.25 per game against their FCS schedule.


Either this highly talented team isn’t making its opponents uncomfortable despite being undefeated against them, or the refs are looking the other way.
 
Need Mario to start calling it out. There’s no way our opponents just play a clean game every week against us. It’s ridiculous. Can just call a hold whenever it’s convenient. Sucks
 
Miami's opponents become the most disciplined team in America when they play Miami.

Miami becomes the most undisciplined team in America when they step on the field.
 
First drive of the game. Looking right at half of his shoulder pad yanked out.

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Their 2nd possession. 2 holds in the same circle. Guys within 2 yards of the ball carrier and eyes right on it

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Another thing I noticed.. how far they're letting their LT line up behind the LOS. The LG's head is in line with the center's waist. See how far back the LT is? Completely behind his ***. Only snipping 1 of these but happened at least 5 times in the 1st half alone.
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The drive immediately following taking away Toney's TD due to Marion moving forward. Pittman in motion and moving forward before the snap. Went from behind the 18 to in front of the 19 and ball not snapped. Never set up in a stance either.

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Just gonna stop at the end of the 1st half. We had plenty of procedural stuff that needed called, Bain's horse collar needed called. We're penalized appropriately and need to clean it up. The flags need to start flying for the opponents, though.
 
TC@ne said:
Some facts to think about:

Rueben Bain has the highest graded PFF score in the entire nation.

Malachi Toney is the highest graded WR in the ACC.

Francis Mauigoa is the 6th-highest graded OT in the country.

But also…

Miami has had more penalties called than their opponents have in every game.

Miami’s opponents cumulatively average 6.02 penalties per game, but against Miami average 3.4.

Bethune Cookman had 2 penalties against us, but averages 7.25 per game against their FCS schedule.


Either this highly talented team isn’t making its opponents uncomfortable despite being undefeated against them, or the refs are looking the other way.
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Yeah I’ll go with Door#4, the other way. You know the BS they spout about CFB is better when the Canes are relevant. RELEVANT only means it works for them, recognition and money. Most CFB hates us, they want us relevant for their selfish reasons, but will always make sure they give us the S**t end of the stick and C**k Block Us at every turn so we don’t get TOO relevant and Hog the spotlight or god forbid make a playoff run and win a Natty. Just let them Thugs make a little noise, but always let them know their place and keep them down on the Plantation. Just sayin’🙌🏽
 
MedleyCane said:
I watched other games the last few weeks and I saw instances where the tackler's helmet crashed with the opponent's helmet and after the refs reviewed the tackle, they waived off targeting claiming the ball carrier had initiated a "football move" after securing the ball and after the tackler had made his position to initiate the tackle. This was a new one on me, assuming the targeting rules must have been revised this past off-season. At the same saying to myself this new interpretation will not be applied in our favor. I guess I was right!
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Most people don't know this, but there are actually TWO targeting rules in the handbook. The NCAA, etc., hasn't been clear about this at all. I'm a nerd who downloads the NCAA handbook and rulebook every year because I think it's important for me to fully understand this stuff if I'm going to criticize it. Some excerpts below...

Rule 9-1-3: Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of their helmet (aka 6-in. radius of helmet).
This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. -----> This is where aggressive teams (e.g., Miami) get screwed

Rule 9-1-4: Targeting and MakingForcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul.

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch. A player leaving their feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area.
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground.
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Note 2: When in question, a player is defenseless.

Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. This includes an offensive player in a passing posture with focus downfield.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play

TTDR: The rules are written so that anything and everything is targeting, and if the refs don't know if it is is targeting, THEN IT IS TARGETING!!!
 
We have the best pass rush in college football, yet we've drawn 1 holding penalty in 5 games. I used to think the "refs hate us" narrative was mostly BS, I'm now convinced it's real.

Mario HAS to do more. We are way too quiet and passive when it comes to the **** poor ref'ing.
 
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caneingville said:
Most people don't know this, but there are actually TWO targeting rules in the handbook. The NCAA, etc., hasn't been clear about this at all. I'm a nerd who downloads the NCAA handbook and rulebook every year because I think it's important for me to fully understand this stuff if I'm going to criticize it. Some excerpts below...

Rule 9-1-3: Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of their helmet (aka 6-in. radius of helmet).
This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. -----> This is where aggressive teams (e.g., Miami) get screwed

Rule 9-1-4: Targeting and MakingForcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul.

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch. A player leaving their feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area.
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground.
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Note 2: When in question, a player is defenseless.

Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. This includes an offensive player in a passing posture with focus downfield.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play

TTDR: The rules are written so that anything and everything is targeting, and if the refs don't know if it is is targeting, THEN IT IS TARGETING!!!
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I have problem with a getting tossed if they launched head-first at an opponent or even tackling head-first. But in many instances it is a grey area where tackler position himself to make a clean tackle only for ball carrier to shift his position to enable helmet-to-helmet tackle. At a maximum, call penalty on the tackle but to have him suspended for the next 4 quarters is too much. These guys are not professional playing the game for a long time. To many, four quarters is a sizable chunk of their college experience. It is unnecessary.
 
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