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When is Fall Camp? What's 2-deep look like?

QB1 - Tyler Van Dyke
QB2 - Jake Garcia
QB3 - Jacurri Brown

RB1 - Henry Parrish Jr
RB2 - TreVonte Citizen
RB3 - Jaylon Knighton
RB4 - Thad Franklin Jr
RB5 - Don Chaney Jr

XWR - Keyshawn Smith/ Romello Brinson/ Isaiah Horton
YWR - Xavier Restrepo/ Brashard Smith/ Michael Redding
ZWR - Colbie Young/ Jacolby George/ Frank Ladson

TE1 - Will Mallory
TE2 - Elijah Arroyo
TE3 - Jaleel Skinner
TE4- Kahlil Brantley
TE5- Dominic Mammarelli

(I personally would start Arroyo, but I’m guessing Mallory’s Seniority will give him the nod with the staff)

LT - Zion Nelson/ Chris Washington/ Matthew McCoy
LG - Jalen Rivers/ Justice Oluwaseun/ Anez Cooper
C - Jakai Clark/ Jonathan Denis/ Ryan Rodriguez
RG - Logan Sagapolu/ Ousman Traore/ Cleveland Reed
RT - DJ Scaife/ John Campbell/ Michael McLaughlin

(This is an interesting group to project, because between Rivers, Oluwaseun, Clark, Denis, Scaife & Sagapolu we essentially have 6 Guards with at least 4 or 5 of them being able to play Center & possibly 2 of them being able to play Tackle)

WDE - Mitchell Agude/ Jahfari Harvey/ Nyjalik Kelly/ Cyrus Moss
1T - Darrell Jackson/ Jared Harrison-Hunte/ Jordan Miller/ Allan Haye
3T - Leonard Taylor/ Jake Lichtenstein/ Elijah Roberts
SDE - Akeem Mesidor/ Antonio Moultire/ Chantz Williams/Jabari Ishmael

(The most confusing group to project forward because it’s still unclear how they intend to use Moultrie & Roberts, apparently Roberts will be playing DE although IMO he fits best at DT & Moultire at DT although IMO he fits best at DE lol. But I swapped the two around in terms of position but they’re basically interchangeable at both spots)

Mike LB - Caleb Johnson/ Waynmon Steed/ Corey Flagg Jr
Will LB - Keontra Smith/ Wesley Bissainthe
Sam LB - Chase Smith/ Thomas Davis/ Avery Huff
STAR - Gilbert Frierson/ Jalen Harrell

(No I’m not saying we’ll use a 4 LB set, when we’re in more traditional 4-3 sets against the run we’ll use the traditional Sam Backer, but when we’re in Nickel packages in 4-2-5 sets we’ll use the STAR/Hybrid)

FCB - Tyrique Stevenson/ Darryl Porter Jr/ Jaden Harris/
NCB - Te’Cory Couch/ Marcus Clarke/ Malik Curtis
BCB - DJ Ivey/ Isaiah Dunson/ Chris Graves/ Khamauri Rogers

(I personally would start DP Jr at Nickel & Dunson at Boundary, but I’m guessing the staff will start Ivey & Couch at those spots. It’s also still plausible that Al Jr can get reps at CB too, we’ll see what happens)

IMO Harris has the skill set to play significant snaps at Boundary or Nickel & I would personally play him early, but I suspect the staff will bring the TF CB’s along slower, if they even play at all, we’ll see.


FS - Kamren Kinchens/ Avantae Williams/ Markeith Williams
RS - James Williams/ Al Blades Jr/ Brian Balom/ Keyshawn Washington

Just my guess, we’ll see how things shake out come Fall camp
 
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Liberty City El said:
QB1 - Tyler Van Dyke
QB2 - Jake Garcia
QB3 - Jacurri Brown

RB1 - Henry Parrish Jr
RB2 - TreVonte Citizen
RB3 - Jaylon Knighton
RB4 - Thad Franklin Jr
RB5 - Don Chaney Jr

XWR - Keyshawn Smith/ Romello Brinson/ Isaiah Horton
YWR - Xavier Restrepo/ Brashard Smith/ Michael Redding
ZWR - Colbie Young/ Jacolby George/ Frank Ladson

TE1 - Will Mallory
TE2 - Elijah Arroyo
TE3 - Jaleel Skinner
TE4- Kahlil Brantley
TE5- Dominic Mammarelli

(I personally would start Arroyo, but I’m guessing Mallory’s Seniority will give him the nod with the staff)

LT - Zion Nelson/ Chris Washington/ Matthew McCoy
LG - Jalen Rivers/ Justice Oluwaseun/ Anez Cooper
C - Jakai Clark/ Jonathan Denis/ Ryan Rodriguez
RG - Logan Sagapolu/ Ousman Traore/ Cleveland Reed
RT - DJ Scaife/ John Campbell/ Michael McLaughlin

(This is an interesting group to project, because between Rivers, Oluwaseun, Clark, Denis, Scaife & Sagapolu we essentially have 6 Guards with at least 4 or 5 of them being able to play Center & possibly 2 of them being able to play Tackle)

WDE - Mitchell Agude/ Jahfari Harvey/ Nyjalik Kelly/ Cyrus Moss
1T - Darrell Jackson/ Jared Harrison-Hunte/ Jordan Miller/ Allan Haye
3T - Leonard Taylor/ Jake Lichtenstein/ Elijah Roberts
SDE - Akeem Mesidor/ Antonio Moultire/ Chantz Williams/Jabari Ishmael

(The most confusing group to project forward because it’s still unclear how they intend to use Moultrie & Roberts, apparently Roberts will be playing DE although IMO he fits best at DT & Moultire at DT although IMO he fits best at DE lol. But I swapped the two around in terms of position but they’re basically interchangeable at both spots)

Mike LB - Caleb Johnson/ Waynmon Steed/ Corey Flagg Jr
Will LB - Keontra Smith/ Wesley Bissainthe
Sam LB - Chase Smith/ Avery Huff
STAR - Gilbert Frierson/ Jalen Harrell

(No I’m not saying we’ll use a 4 LB set, when we’re in more traditional 4-3 sets against the run we’ll use the traditional Sam Backer, but when we’re in Nickel packages in 4-2-5 sets we’ll use the STAR/Hybrid)

FCB - Tyrique Stevenson/ Darryl Porter Jr/ Jaden Harris/
NCB - Te’Cory Couch/ Marcus Clarke/ Malik Curtis
BCB - DJ Ivey/ Isaiah Dunson/ Chris Graves/ Khamauri Rogers

(I personally would start DP Jr at Nickel & Dunson at Boundary, but I’m guessing the staff will start Ivey & Couch at those spots. It’s also still plausible that Al Jr can get reps at CB too, we’ll see what happens)

IMO Harris has the skill set to play significant snaps at Boundary or Nickel & I would personally play him early, but I suspect the staff will bring the TF CB’s along slower, if they even play at all, we’ll see.


FS - Kamren Kinchens/ Avantae Williams/ Markeith Williams
RS - James Williams/ Al Blades Jr/ Brian Balom/ Keyshawn Washington

Just my guess, we’ll see how things shake out come Fall camp
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You think this is the depth chart Week 1? Day 1 of camp? Mid-season?

Cause I can see things like Citizen as RB2 by October, but not Day 1 or Week 1, IMO.

Glad to see you're on the Parrish train as well. I think he's going to be a high, high impact transfer for us. I totally understood not taking him if we were getting Rooster and Don at the time, but it still hurt me to see a kid that complete get out of town. I absolutely love that he's back in the fold and I think he's going to be very productive in this offense.

Also if Ladson is really 3rd in the pecking order at Z, essentially our 5th or 6th boundary WR, he may as well just transfer to FIU or FAU now. That would be incredibly disappointing, although I certainly won't disagree with your assessment at this point. I'll have my eyes glued to that WR rotation, as I'm sure you will too.

The rest pretty much lines up with my thoughts as well. There are a lot of moving pieces here, and a lot of versatility. You touched on most of it on your DL recap, but also we know Blades can move around, I think Porter can potentially play in the slot, I'm really begging for somebody to take Ivey's reps, and obviously how do we figure out a way to get Kam, James, and Tae on the field at the same time, because I'm sure Steele and Addae would tell you those are 3 of your best 11 on that side. Gotta scheme a way to get them on the field as much as possible. I was REALLY down on the defense pre-portal. But I'm actually pretty excited about it now. I think we can be very multiple and throw a lot of different looks at an offense with the versatility of some of these kids, and while I certainly wouldn't call the front 7 deep, it's a lot more promising than it was 6 months ago.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
You think this is the depth chart Week 1? Day 1 of camp? Mid-season?

Cause I can see things like Citizen as RB2 by October, but not Day 1 or Week 1, IMO.

Glad to see you're on the Parrish train as well. I think he's going to be a high, high impact transfer for us. I totally understood not taking him if we were getting Rooster and Don at the time, but it still hurt me to see a kid that complete get out of town. I absolutely love that he's back in the fold and I think he's going to be very productive in this offense.

Also if Ladson is really 3rd in the pecking order at Z, essentially our 5th or 6th boundary WR, he may as well just transfer to FIU or FAU now. That would be incredibly disappointing, although I certainly won't disagree with your assessment at this point. I'll have my eyes glued to that WR rotation, as I'm sure you will too.

The rest pretty much lines up with my thoughts as well. There are a lot of moving pieces here, and a lot of versatility. You touched on most of it on your DL recap, but also we know Blades can move around, I think Porter can potentially play in the slot, I'm really begging for somebody to take Ivey's reps, and obviously how do we figure out a way to get Kam, James, and Tae on the field at the same time, because I'm sure Steele and Addae would tell you those are 3 of your best 11 on that side. Gotta scheme a way to get them on the field as much as possible. I was REALLY down on the defense pre-portal. But I'm actually pretty excited about it now. I think we can be very multiple and throw a lot of different looks at an offense with the versatility of some of these kids, and while I certainly wouldn't call the front 7 deep, it's a lot more promising than it was 6 months ago.
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I’m just guessing based on all the smoke that’s been murmured about when it comes to Citizen this offseason.

He may not play that much at all if everybody is healthy, I have no idea one way or the other, I’m just guessing based on what I suspect the staff will do, not necessarily how I personally would structure the Depth chart.

Parrish is consistent & he has the built in advantage of being Kevin Smith’s recruit from Ole Miss, so it makes sense he’ll play a ton if not start out of the gate, but with the depth we have at RB it’s pretty much anyone’s job to grab as the season progresses. And particularly in this Offense, we’ll probably see a 3 possibly 4 back system.

It’s really really difficult to split reps between 4 RB’s, but I think that’s the direction we’re headed in.

Ladson may start as far as I know, I just don’t think he’s done too much of anything that stands out & the way Mario talked about the WR group post Spring game & the way they heavily pursued at least 4 or 5 different Portal WR options & ultimately decided to take a Summer enrollee JUCO transfer kid, all just adds up to me that they really aren’t banking on him too much heavily this season. I think he can carve out a role as a Red Zone threat target similar to what Lawrence Cager did in Richt’s Offense, but I don’t see him being a big time impact WR; but we’ll see.

JW, Tae & Kam will all play quite a bit in Nickel sub-packages, there really won’t be “starters” per se at Safety, it will really be rotational trio where the 3 of them are in all kinds of disguised exotic looks. JW is a Swiss-Army knife that can be lined up & moved around to multiple spots Pre-snap. I think Steele will generally try to simplify the Defense in year 1, but the exception may be the Safety coverage shells, because he can get really creative with that group.

As far as CB is concerned... Sigh... Lol; what I hope is that Stevenson, DP Jr, Jaden Harris, Isaiah Dunson & Graves get the bulk of the reps, but I think/guess will happen is Ivey & Couch will play a lot this year. Just have to hope they can exceed previous performances.

Stevenson should have a really great season & put himself in position to get drafted by day 2, he’s a very good cover corner & has the best ball skills among the group, he should thrive in this Defense.

The Defense should be improved under Steele’s teaching & his long time experience alone, the key will come down to how quickly can they find the right group to rush the passer & stop the run & how quickly can they get the young LB’s in Bissainthe & Chase Smith playing at optimum level.

Still wish we would’ve added DJ Coleman just to have a more sure thing at Pass rusher, but we should still be able to manufacture pressure with the group we got.

The roster still has some glaring holes though & the season will be a rollercoaster ride lol
 
Liberty City El said:
QB1 - Tyler Van Dyke
QB2 - Jake Garcia
QB3 - Jacurri Brown

RB1 - Henry Parrish Jr
RB2 - TreVonte Citizen
RB3 - Jaylon Knighton
RB4 - Thad Franklin Jr
RB5 - Don Chaney Jr

XWR - Keyshawn Smith/ Romello Brinson/ Isaiah Horton
YWR - Xavier Restrepo/ Brashard Smith/ Michael Redding
ZWR - Colbie Young/ Jacolby George/ Frank Ladson

TE1 - Will Mallory
TE2 - Elijah Arroyo
TE3 - Jaleel Skinner
TE4- Kahlil Brantley
TE5- Dominic Mammarelli

(I personally would start Arroyo, but I’m guessing Mallory’s Seniority will give him the nod with the staff)

LT - Zion Nelson/ Chris Washington/ Matthew McCoy
LG - Jalen Rivers/ Justice Oluwaseun/ Anez Cooper
C - Jakai Clark/ Jonathan Denis/ Ryan Rodriguez
RG - Logan Sagapolu/ Ousman Traore/ Cleveland Reed
RT - DJ Scaife/ John Campbell/ Michael McLaughlin

(This is an interesting group to project, because between Rivers, Oluwaseun, Clark, Denis, Scaife & Sagapolu we essentially have 6 Guards with at least 4 or 5 of them being able to play Center & possibly 2 of them being able to play Tackle)

WDE - Mitchell Agude/ Jahfari Harvey/ Nyjalik Kelly/ Cyrus Moss
1T - Darrell Jackson/ Jared Harrison-Hunte/ Jordan Miller/ Allan Haye
3T - Leonard Taylor/ Jake Lichtenstein/ Elijah Roberts
SDE - Akeem Mesidor/ Antonio Moultire/ Chantz Williams/Jabari Ishmael

(The most confusing group to project forward because it’s still unclear how they intend to use Moultrie & Roberts, apparently Roberts will be playing DE although IMO he fits best at DT & Moultire at DT although IMO he fits best at DE lol. But I swapped the two around in terms of position but they’re basically interchangeable at both spots)

Mike LB - Caleb Johnson/ Waynmon Steed/ Corey Flagg Jr
Will LB - Keontra Smith/ Wesley Bissainthe
Sam LB - Chase Smith/ Avery Huff
STAR - Gilbert Frierson/ Jalen Harrell

(No I’m not saying we’ll use a 4 LB set, when we’re in more traditional 4-3 sets against the run we’ll use the traditional Sam Backer, but when we’re in Nickel packages in 4-2-5 sets we’ll use the STAR/Hybrid)

FCB - Tyrique Stevenson/ Darryl Porter Jr/ Jaden Harris/
NCB - Te’Cory Couch/ Marcus Clarke/ Malik Curtis
BCB - DJ Ivey/ Isaiah Dunson/ Chris Graves/ Khamauri Rogers

(I personally would start DP Jr at Nickel & Dunson at Boundary, but I’m guessing the staff will start Ivey & Couch at those spots. It’s also still plausible that Al Jr can get reps at CB too, we’ll see what happens)

IMO Harris has the skill set to play significant snaps at Boundary or Nickel & I would personally play him early, but I suspect the staff will bring the TF CB’s along slower, if they even play at all, we’ll see.


FS - Kamren Kinchens/ Avantae Williams/ Markeith Williams
RS - James Williams/ Al Blades Jr/ Brian Balom/ Keyshawn Washington

Just my guess, we’ll see how things shake out come Fall camp
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Overall I’m on board with most of this. Just a fair warning: the Don Chaney camp will be coming for your throat.

Parrish fits the prototypical back Gattis wants out of a dual threat RB, and I concur that he’ll get an early crack, if not start Game 1. I think we could potentially see 2 RB sets on passing downs with Knighton and Parrish, especially if one is motioned out wide (regardless as to whether our WRs are struggling to create separation, but even more so if they are). Could be really fun to watch.

I’m not sure if Colbie getting the nod at Z is a good sign or not; on one hand, he seems to use his size well (far better than Ladson) and secures the ball in traffic; he doesn’t have blazing fast speed, but it’s pretty decent for a big guy. I like the take and think he’ll have a pretty sizable role in this offense, considering Gattis’ preference for a big-bodied WR with good hands that runs routes well. At the same time however, I hope one of the three amigos can break into that starting group; there’s so much talent, they just need to become more consistent. I hope that getting their feet wet in 2021 + off-season workouts / elite coaching from Gattis culminates in an impressive jump.

It’s time for Ke’Shawn to show us if he can be a reliable outside threat; if not, he’ll be passed up.

A couple posts up that’s how I predicted the OL to look, and I expect a jump of sorts (especially in the run-blocking), but to what extent remains to be seen. I’m not sold on Clark at center tbh.

I think Kelly is going to be a beast, and will eventually crack the two deep…which would give us a multitude of impressive edge rushers. My expectations for Mesidor are high, and Agude should be a solid addition after garnering 2nd-Team All Pac-12 honors in 2021. Harvey has always flashed, and I’m hoping this season is the one where he puts everything together.

Lichtenstein enjoyed a breakout year in 2021 with the Trojans; while he doesn’t possess the skill Taylor does, he’ll certainly push him and apply pressure to continually perform if he wants to continue starting. Need one of Miller or JHH (or both) to step up this year and provide some quality depth, instead of their previous volatile performances.

God I cringe so much seeing Ivey’s name, and I think it was @Brooklyndee who mentioned (much to our chagrin) that Ivey routinely looks the part in practice, but something happens when the lights come on…the difference this season (Imo) is that he’ll be yanked for good if his poor gameday play continues. Dunson looked more than serviceable in the spring game, and I’m excited to see what another full off-season will do for him. I also think DPJ cracks the starting rotation at some point.

We really need our LBs to stay healthy. Like really badly.

Lastly, and I know there aren’t many alternatives…but Borregales will be competing for his spot beyond 2022. Got tons of experience as a freshman, and now it’s time to hone in on the accuracy and easy ones. He has a ton of power in those legs, but as we all know - kicking is as mental as it gets.
 
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grover said:
Fall camp has to be starting any day now, correct?

Anyone want to guess at who will be on 1st and 2nd Teams two weeks in, once the dust settles with the portal and 2022 kids?

I'll try mine:
QB: TVD, Garcia
RB: Chaney (if healthy), Knighton, Parrish
WR: Restrepo/K Smith/George | B Smith/Brinson/C Young
TE: Mallory, Arroyo
LT: Nelson , Oluwaseun
RT: McLaughlin, Campbell (If McLaughlin can't cut it, Scaife or Oluwaseun move over and start, not Campbell. I just don't see it with him)
LG: Rivers, Clark
RG: Sagapolu, Traore (Clark or Oluwaseun would move over and start if Sagapolu can't cut it)
C: Scaife, Denis (I know, Scaife will probably play RT, but I like him a C more)

DE: Messidor, Roberts or Agude
DE: Harvey, Chantz Williams
DT: LT, JHH
DT: Lichtenstein, Miller (Jackson grabbing more and more snaps over the season)
Mike: Caleb Johnson, Steed
Will: K Smith, Bissainthe
Sam: Frierson, C Smith
S: J Williams or Blades (roughly equivalent snaps), Balom
S: A Williams or Kinchens (roughly equivalent snaps)
CB: Stevenson, Ivey
CB: Porter, Couch
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Not going to guess everything, but Don, Porter and Frierson have giant fights on their hands.
 
Boarcane said:
Not going to guess everything, but Don, Porter and Frierson have giant fights on their hands.
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I think this is a phenomenal sign to be honest. Especially Porter - assuming he’s as good as we and the coaching staff perceived, I’ll take that as the DB returnees aren’t going down without a fight and have talent that can be brought forth from Addae and co.

Chaney having a battle is expected, he is who he is right now (ready for the middle finger from dadecountycane and the rest of the Belen Cabral on this one, although I’d love for words to be used instead of emojis to back up his argument). Chaney has talent but he’s not head and shoulders better than the other backs, and he has a hard time staying healthy. Coupled with the glowing reports of Citizen + Thad’s improvement + Parrish and Knighton as true weapons in the passing attack, I can definitely see him having to grind continuously and show out in the fall to retain that top spot.
 
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Cribby said:
Don’t sleep on Agude and I wouldn’t be penciling Porter in as a starter just yet.
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Absolutely can’t sleep on a guy who garnered 2nd Team All-Conference honors. And I think Mesidor is going to be a bonafide monster heading back to his natural position.

If we develop a solid 1T space-eater like Jackson can be, the line is going to wreak havoc on opposing o-line’s, I don’t care who we go up against.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
If Washington or McLaughlin see the field other than mop up/blowout duty, we’re in trouble.
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Considering the depth at Guard, I think they'd slide Rivers out before leaning on one of Washington or McLaughlin. Would depend on how Campbell looks as well.

I'd feel better about starting 1 of Oluwasean, Denis, Traore, or Sagapolu at LG and sliding Jalen out wide.
 
If Leonard Taylor makes the jump out defense will transform. If he does not this site will label him a busy
 
It makes me sad to see DJ Ivey on any lists.. and that's not a dig at posters who listed him. Dude has proven he will let you down more than once through lack of effort. That nobody on the roster can replace him is maddening. The University of Miami should not have that kind of mental liability on the field. Jane's spot should be on the bench period.
 
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Miraculously, we're going to have a pretty good DL this year. Jackson is a monster and Mesidor is an AA type.

And people are sleeping on Chaney. If he's healthy for fall camp, he's RB1 in my book - no question.
 
Umbra said:
Where is @IndayArtHauz for the smiff train?
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