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What kind of Offense did we run under Richt?

Liberty City El said:
Pro Style Bro.

Always & Forever.
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Brotha you are a much more intelligent poster, than to keep posting this in every thread. Don't ignite the crowd who is only looking to do this anyway because they have no substance, its bad business for the message board. You better than that.

You can say it's flooding outside and guys immediately start heading for the roof without checking.

Guys respect you and look up to you in here you know.
 
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Richt ran the FSU offense from the mid-to-late 90s, with some smattering of RPO instead of the inside zone handoff Warrick Dunn would house every 3rd carry.

It was boom or bust, but back the FSU offense was mostly boom, there wasn't anyone who could match them athletically until we made a comeback.

Dave Aranda called it out- everything is an RPO or a downfield throw. There was no intermediate passing game.
 
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305to954 said:
I’m not saying we should not have spread concepts. We do right now. My overall point of contention is fans here who think implementing a FULL SPREAD will solve the issues that plague this offense..it won’t. we play just as poor when we spread it out as we do under center.

You can’t be as poor as we have up front and expect a spread offense to be implemented and make you score 30-35 points with out play upfront. We need to change the way we evaluate up front and develop. There should be no way scaife, Zion and Clark can step on your campus and be a better option among your oline as true freshman.No way. **** even Donaldson was pretty much given a spot. But ppl here gloss over that. That issue started under golden with so many miss evals that didn’t develop within the program. Then we’ve missed with MRs guys.
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I agree in general that personnel is a major part of the problem. You are on point that Zion and Clark shouldn't be starting at a program that should be competing for something. A different person or scheme will not totally fix that problem. However I do think you can slow down the bleeding with play calling and scheming even if you can't fully stop the bleeding.

As an example why not try to tunnel screen a team to death until you make them DEs hesitate, instead of letting them run right by Zion or whoever on said play. The plays don't have to yield a touch down every series to be effective, just need to keep the DEs honest and the defense something to think about before the pin their ears back.
 
cleverjdub said:
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I agree in general that personnel is a major part of the problem. You are on point that Zion and Clark shouldn't be starting at a program that should be competing for something. A different person or scheme will not totally fix that problem. However I do think you can slow down the bleeding with play calling and scheming even if you can't fully stop the bleeding.

As an example why not try to tunnel screen a team to death until you make them DEs hesitate, instead of letting them run right by Zion or whoever on said play. The plays don't have to yield a touch down every series to be effective, just need to keep the DEs honest and the defense something to think about before the pin their ears back.
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bro I’ve see so many plays designed to slow down a pass rush blown up at the POA with us it’s embarrassing. Early in the season Enos was tryna quick pass teams to death but you can’t feast off that for entire games when your giving up as many negative no gain plays as we do. I’m at the point where I just hope we implement a full spread with tempo so this board can see the effects of running temp behind a non executing line has on a defense

we return the entire oline. Hopefully they turn the corner
 
simplycanes said:
Richt ran the FSU offense from the mid-to-late 90s, with some smattering of RPO instead of the inside zone handoff Warrick Dunn would house every 3rd carry.

It was boom or bust, but back the FSU offense was mostly boom, there wasn't anyone who could match them athletically until we made a comeback.

Dave Aranda called it out- everything is an RPO or a downfield throw. There was no intermediate passing game.
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Pretty much this
 
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cleverjdub said:
I'm curious what most would call the style of offense that Mark Richt ran here?

Richt's offense sure looked like a RPO based pro spread offense to me.

What makes Alabama or Clemson's offense a spread and not UGA? They all line up in shotgun or pistol majority of the time in similar formations, so are they really that different? From an alignment standpoint our offense sure looked similar to these under Richt (and I do mean alignment only, we know the stats).


Bottom line the person calling the plays matter first and foremost regardless of what we choose to call an offense. The word "Spread" does not equal Top 20 offense the OC behind calling said Spread or said offense does.

Calling an offense Spread, Multiple, or Pro is just semantics for the most part as most of the time they all run similar things over half of the time. Obviously all teams may not line up in the I-formation, but even Ohio State has line up with Fields under center several times this year to run a play in a none short yardage situation and everyone will say they run spread.

We can all agree that Enos is not the answer for OC, but he actually may have a point regarding what makes an offense a Spread Offense. Most people don't have a clue and just name what ever team is winning and line up in the Shotgun/Pistol most of the time a spread offense to fit the narrative. People are just out here saying "Spread" like it's the new Fad term and the answer to every question.

Do I think Enos is running a spread offense? No, does he use some spread elements and concepts in his offense sometimes? Yes


If most are not being short sighted Enos biggest problems are his feel or rhythm with play calling (which he has none), knowing how to use tempo (which he can't even when we need to run a 2 minute offense) and not calling specific plays to get playmakers touches (He obviously did not learn the touch counter that Mike Locksley was using at Bama for his play makers).
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Under Richt we ran some kind of vanilla offense that seemingly had about 5 plays, and made the Coker T look creative. IDK what the name for Richt’s offense even was.

Under Enos we have a larger playbook, but the plays work even worse than Richt’s plays did.
 
cleverjdub said:
I'm curious what most would call the style of offense that Mark Richt ran here?

Richt's offense sure looked like a RPO based pro spread offense to me.

What makes Alabama or Clemson's offense a spread and not UGA? They all line up in shotgun or pistol majority of the time in similar formations, so are they really that different? From an alignment standpoint our offense sure looked similar to these under Richt (and I do mean alignment only, we know the stats).


Bottom line the person calling the plays matter first and foremost regardless of what we choose to call an offense. The word "Spread" does not equal Top 20 offense the OC behind calling said Spread or said offense does.

Calling an offense Spread, Multiple, or Pro is just semantics for the most part as most of the time they all run similar things over half of the time. Obviously all teams may not line up in the I-formation, but even Ohio State has line up with Fields under center several times this year to run a play in a none short yardage situation and everyone will say they run spread.

We can all agree that Enos is not the answer for OC, but he actually may have a point regarding what makes an offense a Spread Offense. Most people don't have a clue and just name what ever team is winning and line up in the Shotgun/Pistol most of the time a spread offense to fit the narrative. People are just out here saying "Spread" like it's the new Fad term and the answer to every question.

Do I think Enos is running a spread offense? No, does he use some spread elements and concepts in his offense sometimes? Yes


If most are not being short sighted Enos biggest problems are his feel or rhythm with play calling (which he has none), knowing how to use tempo (which he can't even when we need to run a 2 minute offense) and not calling specific plays to get playmakers touches (He obviously did not learn the touch counter that Mike Locksley was using at Bama for his play makers).
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I agree with all this. The only way you can rub tempo is by simplifying and practicing with tempo. Especially in college.
 
Waste of time. When Wisconsin led Ohio State by 14 points at halftime of the Big 10 title game, you had posters here insisting that Wisconsin runs the spread.
 
305to954 said:
I’m not saying we should not have spread concepts. We do right now. My overall point of contention is fans here who think implementing a FULL SPREAD will solve the issues that plague this offense..it won’t. we play just as poor when we spread it out as we do under center.

You can’t be as poor as we have up front and expect a spread offense to be implemented and make you score 30-35 points with out play upfront. We need to change the way we evaluate up front and develop. There should be no way scaife, Zion and Clark can step on your campus and be a better option among your oline as true freshman.No way. **** even Donaldson was pretty much given a spot. But ppl here gloss over that. That issue started under golden with so many miss evals that didn’t develop within the program. Then we’ve missed with MRs guys.
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Disagree with this.

We were way more efficient from spread.

The one thing that worked well under center was the play action screen.

The outside zone and power running was disastrous. When we popped one, it always got called back. The inside zone was our bread and butter, but not perfect. Still our biggest and most consistent runs came from it.

We could have gotten 30-35 with THIS team. We killed tons of drives randomly going back to concepts we suck at.

We were at our best when we called plays that didn’t over stress our weaknesses on offensive line.

Quick hitters. It didn’t matter if it was run or pass, shotgun or under center. These were the plays that got us yards and points.

The biggest failures of Richt and Enos were being married to old school, long developing route concepts that they KNEW they couldn’t block.

Their offenses hummed with short quick passing that they would abandon inexplicably for no other reason than habit and ego.

We need a quarterback friendly, air raid style quick passing game with an inside zone based run game BECAUSE our offensive line is bad.

We didn’t get zero yards and zero points. We did things that worked, we just didn’t build off of them in an efficient or coherent way.
 
I have a great deal of respect for Coach Richt. I think it's too bad that he burned out so quickly, and obviously his health soon deteriorated as we learned. I'm glad he's recovering and getting healthier.

You know, earlier in his tenure here, there were a lot of concepts to be excited about, but they just disappeared post Kaaya. That's why I always laughed when people thought he was running Kaaya off so he could move on to Malik. All due respect to Malik.
 
cleverjdub said:
Brotha you are a much more intelligent poster, than to keep posting this in every thread. Don't ignite the crowd who is only looking to do this anyway because they have no substance, its bad business for the message board. You better than that.

You can say it's flooding outside and guys immediately start heading for the roof without checking.

Guys respect you and look up to you in here you know.
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We don't run a Spread Offense, having Spread concepts is not running a Spread offense, it's having a few throw away plays based in certain situations.

The. Offense. We. Run. Doesn't. Work. For. Us... There's a colossal sized Moutain Hill of evidence to support that claim. We need to change the Offense, anyone arguing that we shouldn't is flat out retarded.

The Offense we ran under Richt was a Pro Style RPO base, it only worked at its best in the 2nd half of the 2016 season, everything else after that was pedestrian with it culminating into a total disaster for the 2018 season.

Enox's offense is even worse, it's NOT a Spread, we have some Pistol formations & RPO concepts, but we're not a Spread offense. Anyone with eyes & a half functioning brain can show you how much different our offense looks vs teams like Memphis, UCF, SMU, OK St etc..

This has been discussed ad nauseam, I've written full fledged threads on it, several other posters have, **** even Roman did a month or so ago. There's nothing to debate or discuss on the topic, the proof is on the field in the games, our offense is GARBAGE, the solution to the problem isn't to continue to do the exact same thing. We don't have the personnel to run this style offense, we're not Wisconsin or Iowa or some other B1G team that Enox wants us to be.

The reason why people want us to switch to a Spread is because we have(had) a speed advantage that we were underutilizing & going with a quick tempo Spread offense would decrease our deficiencies in the blocking game & force Defense to defend the entire field while using our weapons to keep Defenses off balance, it's called playing to your strengths. What we do is play to our weaknesses & run plays that highlight our inability to run & pass effectively, we literally neutralize our ability.

Idk what else needs to be said on the topic, there's a clear & concise difference between the top 25 Offenses & ours, and NO it's not talent, there are teams that have nowhere as much talent as we do but have significantly better offensive productivity, that's because they don't shoot themselves in the foot by trying to play a style that doesn't fit their personnel.

There's a consistent pattern amongst the most productive offenses in college football, regardless of conference or Blue chip ratio & NONE of them play like we do... Maybe we should stop trying to be the last of the Mohicans & get with the ****** program & leave this old *** trash offense in the past where it belongs.
 
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TruCane81 said:
Disagree with this.

We were way more efficient from spread.

The one thing that worked well under center was the play action screen.

The outside zone and power running was disastrous. When we popped one, it always got called back. The inside zone was our bread and butter, but not perfect. Still our biggest and most consistent runs came from it.

We could have gotten 30-35 with THIS team. We killed tons of drives randomly going back to concepts we suck at.

We were at our best when we called plays that didn’t over stress our weaknesses on offensive line.

Quick hitters. It didn’t matter if it was run or pass, shotgun or under center. These were the plays that got us yards and points.

The biggest failures of Richt and Enos were being married to old school, long developing route concepts that they KNEW they couldn’t block.

Their offenses hummed with short quick passing that they would abandon inexplicably for no other reason than habit and ego.

We need a quarterback friendly, air raid style quick passing game with an inside zone based run game BECAUSE our offensive line is bad.

We didn’t get zero yards and zero points. We did things that worked, we just didn’t build off of them in an efficient or coherent way.
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Bold Sounds like Mark Richt spread 🤣
Idk how Enos offense is out of date..but alright I just wish we to full spread so this argument can die
 
305to954 said:
Lmao..im saying. Ask FSU fans if TOP Matters
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FSU with Briles is a bad comparison.

The Briles offense likes mobile quarterbacks. Baylor came from behind down three scores with a wide receiver playing emergency quarterback. Hornie and Blackmon are not that.

Their wide receivers have been trash for a while now.

We know their line sucks.

Most of all FSU needs a culture change from a respectable, no nonsense coach (like us). Taggert corny *** was doomed from the start.

Candy Fisher killed FSU’s well oiled machine cucking Jimbo. He might never recover. They were a well oiled machine. Thank God for ****** wives or our losing streak to the holes might have hit double digits.
 
305to954 said:
Bold Sounds like Mark Richt spread 🤣
Idk how Enos offense is out of date..but alright I just wish we to full spread so this argument can die
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I liked Richt’s philosophy.

I hated his game day execution of playcalling.

The only thing missing was a robust, quick read short passing game, especially with play action on 1st down.

Like Enos, his short passing game was slant or bust way too often.

When we ran tempo under Richt, it worked. He would abandon it as soon as someone made a mistake.
 
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