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Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
 
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GT loss hurt most this year by far

True fresh QB on the road first game was tough and Abdullah was a buzz saw....but we would be in a great spot right now if we had beat Gt
 
If we don't win the Coastal and there's very little chance of it, I think the off season will be spent looking back at that GT loss. That killed us.
 
its not just the wins and losses but the clarity that the staff refuses to change their ways ensuring us to be a team with a 9 win ceiling tops. for a man talking about coming to miami to win national championships the constant bs excuses and overall flaccid mentality is what infuriates a lot of us the most.
 
jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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jjohn, there's the fable of the scorpion and the tiger. The tiger was about to swim the river when a scorpion on the bank begged the tiger to give him a ride across. The tiger refused, "No, you'll sting me." The scorpion told the tiger, "No way. You'd be doing me a big favor."

The tiger agreed, and swam the river with the scorpion on the tiger's head. As soon as they reached the far bank, the scorpion struck, nailing the tiger right on top of his head. "But you assured me you wouldn't sting me!" The scorpion replied, "I can't help it. It's my nature."

Even if we were at 6-2, you're asking me to forget entirely, the past 3.5 years, and to assume that Golden has changed his nature.

Uh uh. No way.

Fire Golden, and the sooner the better.
 
From 1993 to 1999, we averaged 8.42 wins per year with forum gods Dennis Erickson and Butch Davis at the helm. I remember watching us suck then, and I am doing the same now. Butch actually lost 6 games in his 3rd year.To pretend that we always used to win 10 games every year is ignorant. I hate losing to Louisville, Nebraska, and Georgia Tech. This team is better than it was 4 years ago. For that, I am happy. I am not happy with some of the bone headed defensive decisions Golden has made.

Having said that, some of you idiots take every opportunity to blame everything on golden. Everything is not all his fault and we have sucked before. Your lives are ruined because your favorite football team is down right now. That is pathetic.
 
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jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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There is no what if, after loserville we intelligent football heads knew gt would gash us. Teams with a running attack or a QB that can run it's a wrap.
 
UMFarArcher said:
jjohn47 said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a Gooden supporter at all, but rather a Canes supporter who only wants us to win at all cost.

My question is....what if Miami had beaten Georlgia Tech earlier this year and was now 6-2? Would you be satisfied with the season so far? Or was it done for everyone at that point?
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jjohn, there's the fable of the scorpion and the tiger. The tiger was about to swim the river when a scorpion on the bank begged the tiger to give him a ride across. The tiger refused, "No, you'll sting me." The scorpion told the tiger, "No way. You'd be doing me a big favor."

The tiger agreed, and swam the river with the scorpion on the tiger's head. As soon as they reached the far bank, the scorpion struck, nailing the tiger right on top of his head. "But you assured me you wouldn't sting me!" The scorpion replied, "I can't help it. It's my nature."

Even if we were at 6-2, you're asking me to forget entirely, the past 3.5 years, and to assume that Golden has changed his nature.

Uh uh. No way.

Fire Golden, and the sooner the better.
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This

Oh and Butch Davis
 
hesskilla said:
From 1993 to 1999, we averaged 8.42 wins per year with forum gods Dennis Erickson and Butch Davis at the helm. I remember watching us suck then, and I am doing the same now. Butch actually lost 6 games in his 3rd year.To pretend that we always used to win 10 games every year is ignorant. I hate losing to Louisville, Nebraska, and Georgia Tech. This team is better than it was 4 years ago. For that, I am happy. I am not happy with some of the bone headed defensive decisions Golden has made.

Having said that, some of you idiots take every opportunity to blame everything on golden. Everything is not all his fault and we have sucked before. Your lives are ruined because your favorite football team is down right now. That is pathetic.
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Christ o mighty have u seen the recruiting class this year?

U kno what I can't even go on talking to u bruh, just revisit this next year at this same time and we shall see if u regret this post.
 
What if someone posted this same topic worded differently every day or two????

We blow donkey d.ick. Only way i'm back on the train is if we win out or win 3 of 4 and beat FSU nicely
 
hesskilla said:
From 1993 to 1999, we averaged 8.42 wins per year with forum gods Dennis Erickson and Butch Davis at the helm. I remember watching us suck then, and I am doing the same now. Butch actually lost 6 games in his 3rd year.To pretend that we always used to win 10 games every year is ignorant. I hate losing to Louisville, Nebraska, and Georgia Tech. This team is better than it was 4 years ago. For that, I am happy. I am not happy with some of the bone headed defensive decisions Golden has made.

Having said that, some of you idiots take every opportunity to blame everything on golden. Everything is not all his fault and we have sucked before. Your lives are ruined because your favorite football team is down right now. That is pathetic.
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Butch Davis had crippling sanctions under his watch and still managed to recruit the greatest classes in CFB history. Those teams really had no depth.

And since you remember those teams so vividly, then you surely must remember that even in Butch's worst years we were battling in the first half of games against elite teams but would run out of steam in the second half due to the incredibly low number of scholarship players.

Here are the facts:

Butch Davis had an overall record of 51-20 at UM for a .718 winning percentage. (This despite having lost 31 scholarships due to the Pell Grant scandal)

1995 - 8-3 record - No bowl game due to NCAA sanctions - Still managed to finish ranked 20th - Won Big East title

1996 - 9-3 record - Won Carquest Bowl - Finished ranked 14th - Won Big East title

1997 - 5-6 record - Finished th in Big East

1998 - 9-3 record - Won Micron PC Bowl - Finished ranked 20th - Tied for 2nd in Big East

1999 - 9-4 record - Won Gator Bowl - Finished ranked 15th - 2nd in Big East

2000 - 11-1 record - Won Sugar Bowl - Finished ranked 2nd - Won Big east Title - Managed to do all this with a very young Ken Dorsey at QB. Should have played for the NC that season. Got hosed by "computers." lmao

3 Big East titles in 6 years

Hmm...interesting. 31 scholarship reductions and still managed to keep winning almost nine games a year while rebuilding our program into a juggernaut.

Nobody can deny that he is in all probability the greatest recruiter in CFB history.

Also won all FOUR bowl games that he was the skipper for and had the team humming in all of them.

Now Al Golden's turn. Inherited a mess and quickly turned it into a bigger mess.

Has 3 scholarship reductions over a 3 year period. (compared to 31 under Butch's first 3 seasons) Do the math, it's pretty simple.

Has made a ton of excuses to go along with silly slogans, huge binders full of "pillars" and regularly throwing players under the bus.

Has yet to fire any of the incompetent coaches that he is responsible for. (Of course if he did this, he would have to start by firing himself)

Al Golden's record at UM: (I'm not even gonna post the defensive numbers because they have truly been...well...OFFENSIVE)

Career record: 54-52 (including 27-18 at the U - 15-13 in the ACC coastal - 0-1 curb stomping, *** raping in the Russell Athletic Bowl)

THIS NEXT PART WAS BORROWED FROM THE "FIRE AL GOLDEN" SITE:

Al Golden's Miami Hurricanes are 19-18 against schools from major conferences (including the Big East).

Georgia Tech was the fifth team since 2011 (and second in three weeks) to run for 300-plus yards against Miami, and Miami has allowed an opponent to rush for 200 plus yards 16 times during Golden’s tenure.

Al Golden was 3-7 vs. ranked teams 4 games into his 4th season.

At Miami, Al Golden is 7-12 against teams with winning records. Of the teams he beat who finished with winning records, only 1 finished better than 7-6. That was Georgia Tech in 2011, which finished 8-5.

Golden's predecessor, Randy Shannon, posted a record of 12-18 against teams who finished the season with winning records. Shannon's record was mediocre, but it was much better than Golden's thus far.

Under Al Golden, Miami has given up at least 200 yards rushing 16 times. Of those 16 occasions, 5 teams exceeded 300 yards rushing.

Al Golden is 0-9 vs teams that finished ranked while at UM.

Al Golden is 0-11 vs teams that finished ranked in his career.

Al Golden is 1-22 against teams that finished with fewer than 5 losses in a season.

Since opening 7-0 last season, Miami has played 13 games and lost seven of them, all seven by double digits.

The average margin of defeat increased in each of Al Golden's first 3 seasons. Miami lost by an average of

5 points in 2011
18 points in 2012
22 points in 2013.

Miami's average margin in defeat thus far in 2014 is 13 points.

Under Al Golden, Miami has gotten worse each year at converting 3rd downs on offense:

2011: 42.57% - 43rd nationally
2012: 39.41% - 68th nationally
2013: 35.00% - 96th nationally
2014: 24.66% - 126th nationally
(through 7 games).

This season, through 7 games, Miami ranks 117th nationally in penalty yards per game at 78.1.

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Al Golden's career record vs. ranked teams (ranked at the time of the game) is 3-13, with the following 3 wins:

Florida- Finished 4-8
Ohio State- Finished 6-7
Georgia Tech- Finished 8-5

Here is the full record:

2006 (Temple):
L Louisville 62-0
L Clemson 63-9

2007 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-0

2008 (Temple):
L Penn State 45-3

2009 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-6

2010 (Temple):
L Penn State 22-13

2011 (Miami):
W Ohio State 24-6
L Virginia Tech 38-35
W Georgia Tech 24-7

2012 (Miami):
L Kansas State 52-13
L Notre Dame 41-3
L Florida State 33-20

2013 (Miami):
W Florida 21-16
L Florida State 41-14
L Louisville 36-9

2014 (Miami):
L Nebraska 41-31

Al Golden's career record vs. teams which finished with winning records is 11-37, which includes his record of 7-12 in such games at Miami:

2006 (Temple):
L Louisville 62-0
L Clemson 63-9
L Western Michigan 41-7
L Northern Illinois 43-21
L Central Michigan 42-26
L Penn State- 47-0
L Navy 42-6

2007 (Temple):
L Penn State 31-0
L Navy 30-19
L Connecticut 22-17
L Bowling Green 48-35

2008 (Temple):
L Penn State 45-3
L Connecticut 12-9
L Buffalo 30-28
L Western Michigan 7-3
L Central Michigan 24-14
L Navy 33-27

2009 (Temple):
L Villanova 27-24 (FCS team)
L Penn State 31-6
W Navy 27-24
L Ohio 35-17
L UCLA 30-21

2010 (Temple):
W Villanova 31-24 (FCS team)
W Connecticut 30-16
L Penn State 22-13
W Army 42-35
L Northern Illinois 31-17
L Ohio 31-23
L Miami (OH) 23-3

2011 (Miami):
L Kansas State 28-24
L Virginia Tech 38-35
W North Carolina 30-24
W Georgia Tech 24-7
L Virginia 28-21
L Florida State 23-19

2012 (Miami):
L Kansas State 52-13
W Nc State 44-37
L Notre Dame 41-3
L North Carolina 18-14
L Florida State 33-20
W Virginia Tech 30-12

2013 (Miami):
W Georgia Tech 45-30
W North Carolina 27-23
L Florida State 41-14
L Virginia Tech 42-24
L Duke 48-30
W Pittsburgh 41-31
L Louisville 36-9

In 14 ACC road games with Al Golden as coach, Miami has never allowed fewer than 23 points. In 10 of those games, the opponent has scored at least 30. Miami is 6-8 in those 14 games while giving up an average of 33.7 points.

According to rivals.com, from 2010 to 2014, Miami’s average recruiting class was ranked 15th nationally. Among some of the schools that have beaten Miami in the past two years, Virginia Tech’s average class over the same period was 25th nationally, Louisville’s was 42nd, Georgia Tech’s was 55th, and Duke’s was 65th.


If the above facts aren't an indictment on Al Golden then I don't know how much more evidence you are going to need. Dude is the KING OF USED CAR SALESMEN.

It's time for a change and the sooner the better. Those of us who actually remember what Miami Hurricanes football is supposed to look like have finally had enough.
 
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hesskilla said:
From 1993 to 1999, we averaged 8.42 wins per year with forum gods Dennis Erickson and Butch Davis at the helm. I remember watching us suck then, and I am doing the same now. Butch actually lost 6 games in his 3rd year.To pretend that we always used to win 10 games every year is ignorant. I hate losing to Louisville, Nebraska, and Georgia Tech. This team is better than it was 4 years ago. For that, I am happy. I am not happy with some of the bone headed defensive decisions Golden has made.

Having said that, some of you idiots take every opportunity to blame everything on golden. Everything is not all his fault and we have sucked before. Your lives are ruined because your favorite football team is down right now. That is pathetic.
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Not sure anyone worships at the Erickson altar, but he won TWO NCs so, how do I say this: SHUT UP. I myself never thought Butch was a great coach, but he didn't have a cloud. He had a frigging Cat 5 hurricane. What has me and everyone else on our knees praying for Butch is that after recruiting all but one of our NC teams, we think they is a heck of a chance he just might do it again. Golden's self claimed source of fame is he put ONE dt in the NFL 1st round. Butch, well Butch probably has NFL Hall of Famers than Al has excuses for his lame defense. I would need a Cray to count his 1st round picks.

You are right about one thing, Al had the Cloud. That was horrible. But the worst thing about Donna's Cloud is that Golden got a ridiculous extension and cover for his lack of coaching ability. Without the Cloud Al would not be the coach this year and certainly not next year. Judged on just his merits, man cannot coach -- look at how special teams has regressed under his own personal care. They make numerous mistakes every week. If defense wasn't so bad, Al would have almost as much heat just based on his unit coaching.
 
RickinCanesville said:
Without multi-quoting all of CaneTheGaytors info and stats I think the question has been answered lock the thread.
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Yeah, but what does CaneTheGaytors really thing of Al? Sure he sucks as a coach, but how about his hair? Not as nice as JJ's but not to bad. We could give him that, maybe.
 
Golden lost me at Louisville and not because we lost the game. He showed that even with a more talented roster, he's just not aggressive enough to win at this level. Nebraska solidified that thought. After the Duke game I thought, maybe just hoped, he had woken up and realized he needed to be more aggressive, but then Georgia Tech happened and I was done. To get me back, he'd have to win out, including ACC champ (yes, beat FSU twice) and bowl.
 
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